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studyguy

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SCOOP: Joe Biden is no longer traveling to Milwaukee to accept the Democratic nomination. His plans to travel to the convention have been scrapped because of coronavirus concerns.

Not much of a reason to even have an in person convention at the moment. That's fine.
 

Antrax

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Sounds pretty positive for early talks. I'm super surprised the GOP is allowing talks to even mention December as a cutoff. Their previous public position was a week!

Why did Kobach lose to a Democrat for Kansas governor?

Brownback was the Martin O'Malley of Kansas
 

studyguy

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GOP satisfaction with the way things are going in the country has plunged, per Gallup:

Basically coincides with lock downs, the sharp decline with republicans basically meeting Dem/Ind over the course of 3mo is pretty wild to see. I don't recall why they would be riding so high into Feb/early Mar though.... The fog of each month becoming a century long has me struggling to think back to Feb. Solemani was killed in early Jan... Vindman fired in Feb. Uh... Impeachment vote in the senate early Feb, that's probably it right?

Also in other news...


Predictably, the Zoom hearing for the 17-year-old alleged Twitter hacker in Fla. was bombed multiple times, with the final bombing of a pornhub clip ending the zoom portion of the proceedings.

Who could have seen this coming.
 

Ithil

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The fact that he even has trouble feigning concern is the wildest part of this all.
Man truly lacks a single ounce of empathy.
The totality of his lack of empathy is normally reserved for fictional villains like Lord Voldemort or I don't know, Skeletor. If you wrote a 1:1 Trump into fiction he'd be derided as cartoonish and unrealistic.
 

Tackleberry

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Basically coincides with lock downs, the sharp decline with republicans basically meeting Dem/Ind over the course of 3mo is pretty wild to see. I don't recall why they would be riding so high into Feb/early Mar though.... The fog of each month becoming a century long has me struggling to think back to Feb. Solemani was killed in early Jan... Vindman fired in Feb. Uh... Impeachment vote in the senate early Feb, that's probably it right?


It's going to get worse to. Now that the federal unemployment benefit ended it will hurt things economically.
 

entremet

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Bummer about Ernst. Still early, though. Ernst is one of the biggest Trump water carriers.

 
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If it's Eric or Jr, they shouldn't have too much of a problem running against them. Neither one has charisma or the draw of their father. Ivanka is the problem. They'll think it makes them look better to progressives by running a woman. She has a lot more charisma than her brothers and, I think she's all around smarter than either of them. She seems to understand that you can't just appeal to the racist mouth-breathers in order to win. Unless the Trump brand, and by extension, the children can be tarnished, then you have a very high possibility of her running and being able to beat out other Republicans.
 

IggyChooChoo

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How do other Republicans running in the primary even battle against a Trump when the GOP kneels down for dear leader?
None of those kids strike me as having the carny charisma you need to enthrall the conservative hoopleheads. I bet it will be someone Trump-esque, just not a literal member of the brood. Someone we don't see coming, like an fascist evangelical twitch personality.
 

SpottieO

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If it's Eric or Jr, they shouldn't have too much of a problem running against them. Neither one has charisma or the draw of their father. Ivanka is the problem. They'll think it makes them look better to progressives by running a woman. She has a lot more charisma than her brothers and, I think she's all around smarter than either of them. She seems to understand that you can't just appeal to the racist mouth-breathers in order to win. Unless the Trump brand, and by extension, the children can be tarnished, then you have a very high possibility of her running and being able to beat out other Republicans.

Ivanka and Jared are directly tied to some of the biggest fuck ups of this administration, including the COVID-19 dumpster fire. No way she makes it through an election.
 
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In today's insanity.. Trump is now taking credit for a program that Obama put together with SpaceX.


Eh, Starship initially had nothing at all to do with NASA. My understanding is that SpaceX had funding from NASA to develop the Falcon rockets. The Starship project was a fully private endeavor at SpaceX. The US government actually viewed it as a competitor to its own in-development SLS rocket, and made sure no government funding was being used to advance Starship. That apparently changed this year when NASA selected SpaceX to develop a lunar lander based on the Starship design, but it's not clear to me (and I haven't looked deeply into this) whether the Starship prototype launch that just took place was part of a private enterprise or tied to this partnership.

Long story short, I'm not sure Obama should get much credit for this, but I'm sure Trump should get even less. Nevertheless if it resulted from something that happened during his administration then I guess he has some kind of bragging rights.
 

BWoog

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If it's Eric or Jr, they shouldn't have too much of a problem running against them. Neither one has charisma or the draw of their father. Ivanka is the problem. They'll think it makes them look better to progressives by running a woman. She has a lot more charisma than her brothers and, I think she's all around smarter than either of them. She seems to understand that you can't just appeal to the racist mouth-breathers in order to win. Unless the Trump brand, and by extension, the children can be tarnished, then you have a very high possibility of her running and being able to beat out other Republicans.

God I'd love to see Eric try. I can kind of see Ivanka and Jr debating other people on stage but him?
 

ratcliffja

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Who the GOP wants to be run post-Trump and who will actually get the nomination are likely going to be two different things. It will likely be somebody who doesn't directly position themselves as Trump's successor (unless he wins in 2020), but who will give plenty of winks and nods to QAnon, Fox News, OAN, etc. without using explicit rhetoric. I imagine it will be a lot of remembering the "good old days" when we didn't have to be so politically correct and when people respected the troops (which they'll conflate with standing for the anthem) and law enforcement. More than anything, though, I expect them to be the most charismatic one running, as that's almost always the deciding factor. People want somebody saying what they want to hear in a way they want to hear it.

As for who meets that criteria? I'm not really familiar with a lot of the potential candidates, but I could see it being somebody like Tom Cotton, who actually had me fooled as a halfway decent candidate when I watched a townhall video of him a few years ago. He was good at feigning decency when listening to others, despite the fact that he's proven to be a complete sleazeball.
 

Plinko

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Who the GOP wants to be run post-Trump and who will actually get the nomination are likely going to be two different things. It will likely be somebody who doesn't directly position themselves as Trump's successor (unless he wins in 2020), but who will give plenty of winks and nods to QAnon, Fox News, OAN, etc. without using explicit rhetoric. I imagine it will be a lot of remembering the "good old days" when we didn't have to be so politically correct and when people respected the troops (which they'll conflate with standing for the anthem) and law enforcement. More than anything, though, I expect them to be the most charismatic one running, as that's almost always the deciding factor. People want somebody saying what they want to hear in a way they want to hear it.

As for who meets that criteria? I'm not really familiar with a lot of the potential candidates, but I could see it being somebody like Tom Cotton, who actually had me fooled as a halfway decent candidate when I watched a townhall video of him a few years ago. He was good at feigning decency when listening to others, despite the fact that he's proven to be a complete sleazeball.
Tom Cotton said last week that slavery was a "necessary evil."
 

Blader

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Guys like Cotton and Hawley are the more superficially appealing package on the same wretched Trumpism. I am more worried about those kinds of candidates than someone like Nikki Haley, who will almost certainly be the Marco Rubio of 2024 -- the non-white conservative that mainstream reporters who love a good horse race can't help but breathlessly hype as the savior of the GOP and will flop among the base for those exact same reasons. With the caveat that Haley has a much higher chance of ending up on the final ticket at least as a running mate.
 
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https://www.cleveland.com/court-jus...nter-building-tied-to-ukrainian-oligarch.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio — The FBI on Tuesday raided the Cleveland offices of a company with ties to a Ukrainian oligarch that owns several downtown buildings.

FBI spokeswoman Vicki Anderson said agents searched the offices of Optima Management Group in One Cleveland Center at East 9th Street and St. Clair Avenue. A spokesman for the IRS also said his agency's investigators were present.

Optima is a conglomerate of companies across the United States that has interests in real estate in Cleveland, including One Cleveland Center, the 55 Public Square building and the Westin Cleveland Downtown. Its offices are visible from an entrance and windows on the side of One Cleveland Center, and on Tuesday multiple agents were seen carrying and moving computers, boxes and other items both inside the office and later as they loaded materials into a van.


Anderson said agents also executed search warrants at an office in Miami.


Federal authorities in Cleveland have been conducting a wide-ranging probe involving Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky that has been ongoing for quite some time. Kolomoisky is a principal of the Privat Group, a large Ukrainian business company, and principals of the company are also part of Optima.


Optima had a much larger presence in Cleveland about a decade ago when it bought several buildings under the leadership of executive Chaim Schochet. Its presence in Northeast Ohio has dwindled in recent years.


Optima also controlled Warren Steel Holdings, a mill northwest of Youngstown that closed in 2016.


Kolomoisky and a fellow Ukrainian billionaire formed PrivatBank in the early 1990s. It became one of the Ukraine's key financial institutions, according to Forbes. The Ukrainian government nationalized the bank in 2016 after an investigation suggested there was large-scale fraud over a decade-long period, Forbes reported.


The financial news outlet places Kolomoisky's net worth at about $1 billion. He remains a complicated political figure in his home country. He is a former governor of Ukraine's Dnipropetrovsk region.


Published reports said that Kolomoisky had refused to set up a meeting with President Donald Trump's ally Rudy Giuliani and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an attempt to dig up dirt against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden last year.


Kolomoisky's attorney Michael Sullivan declined comment.
 

Iolo

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Guys like Cotton and Hawley are the more superficially appealing package on the same wretched Trumpism. I am more worried about those kinds of candidates than someone like Nikki Haley, who will almost certainly be the Marco Rubio of 2024 -- the non-white conservative that mainstream reporters who love a good horse race can't help but breathlessly hype as the savior of the GOP and will flop among the base for those exact same reasons. With the caveat that Haley has a much higher chance of ending up on the final ticket at least as a running mate.

See, I feel Tom Cotton would be the Scott Walker of 2024. Hyped by the media, completely devoid of charisma, drops out before the first primary and throws his support to Tucker Carlson.
 
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Back when Cotton did that town hall, he really did try to put out the appearance of being a reasonable Republican, especially when other Republicans were hiding and avoiding the press and the public. The problem for him though is that in the years since then, he's completely thrown away that persona and showed us all who he really is. At this point. I don't think he'd have a chance. They would need someone who can act like a reasonable person, but secretly continue Trump's deathmarch to fascism. The real key is going to be charisma, and the current crop of Republicans just don't have it. Tucker Carlson sure as hell ain't it, either.
 

Plinko

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People are out of their mind if they think Tucker Carlson is getting the nomination. There is almost no chance they go back to another inexperienced television personality as a candidate.

Haley and Crenshaw are the ones to watch there.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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Who runs and who wins depends a lot on what the Biden presidency is like, and world events during it. It's fun to think about who will try, but the world will be a very different place in 3.5 years.
 

RolandGunner

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People are out of their mind if they think Tucker Carlson is getting the nomination. There is almost no chance they go back to another inexperienced television personality as a candidate.

Haley and Crenshaw are the ones to watch there.

Given how the suburbs are going there's a decent chance Crenshaw doesn't even get re-elected and I'd bet anything that the GOP doesn't vote for a women a Sikh background. Look at some of the ads that Manny Sethi is getting in Tennessee. My dark horse pick for 2024 is Jim Justice. He's rich, loud, has a name that looks good a hat, and can even do 'I was a Dem until they all went crazy' thing.
 
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Part of it is also going to depend on whether we see the GOP clean house or not. They could just as easily wind up splintering, too. They have to know that the hardcore Trumpers are costing them.

As they are now, it seems like their cohesion has really fallen apart since the '18 midterms. If the Senate is indicative of the party as a whole, they're barely holding together, and that's probably just because right now they have someone to rally behind. Once Trump is out of power, I think we may see some serious intra party fighting.
 

Casa

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My money is on Josh Hawley. The most smug, arrogant asshole in the Senate.
 

Dr. Feel Good

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2024 will be a run on "young" conservatism:

Nikki Haley
Josh Hawley
Tom Cotton
Marco Rubio
Donald Trump Jr.
Mitt Romney (depending on how the party shifts during those four years)
 

greatgeek

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Ted Cruz will run because he's a shameless egomaniac who believes that he is God's president.
 
Interesting. Why is that? (DC being opposed)

And what's the deal with the PR referendums? Is it a case of keep redoing it until they get the result they want?
DC statehood is opposed by Republicans because it would give the Democrats two additional senators, basically. Now, their proclaimed reasons for opposing are that it's too small and/or the Founders wanted DC to not be represented.

Puerto Rican internal politics regarding statehood is complicated. They keep holding referenda because some people really want it to happen, and as long as PR remains a territory its status is inherently a live question, since the US was never supposed to acquire territories in perpetuity. The referendum being held this fall is in reaction to the federal government's neglect of PR after Hurricane Maria. We'll see how many people actually show up to vote and what the result is this time.

DC is a much easier sell - they held a statehood referendum in 2016 and it passed overwhelmingly, like 80-90% or something. They want representation.
They want representation, but quite a few people are opposed to giving it to them. DC statehood is a harder sell.

If it ends up.being rice that alone is going to make this a close race.

No one gives a shit about rice. No one.

Make her secretary of state, not vp
Rice is certainly not a well-known figure either way, but her being on the ticket is not going to make this a close race. Vice presidential selections don't matter that much unless they're considering egregiously unqualified (see: Palin).

Very close, time to still make up ground.
This is the only poll in months that has show Ernst ahead, for the record.

If it's Eric or Jr, they shouldn't have too much of a problem running against them. Neither one has charisma or the draw of their father. Ivanka is the problem. They'll think it makes them look better to progressives by running a woman. She has a lot more charisma than her brothers and, I think she's all around smarter than either of them. She seems to understand that you can't just appeal to the racist mouth-breathers in order to win. Unless the Trump brand, and by extension, the children can be tarnished, then you have a very high possibility of her running and being able to beat out other Republicans.
Ivanka is not a problem. She isn't popular with the GOP base at all; they like Donald Jr. much more. She's been trying to sell a Diet Trumpism that doesn't interest either swing voters or Trumpism's current consumers.
 

Iolo

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Who runs and who wins depends a lot on what the Biden presidency is like, and world events during it. It's fun to think about who will try, but the world will be a very different place in 3.5 years.

True. And Republicans thought they had a roadmap to moderation after their 2012 loss, which they proceeded to throw out the window when their voters demanded the racist carnival barker.
 
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