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IggyChooChoo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Grant was only able to do that because the men had not actually accepted/received the pardons yet.
While I find this completely believable, do you have a cite showing that accepting/receiving the pardon is the actual specific legal standard? Because the way I saw it presented, it was more ambiguous and could have been based on a standard having to do with sentencing (or even something else).
 
To be honest, Miller starting to spout off about mail in voting fraud gives me pause. He's far too cocky and arrogant. Makes me think he's in on talks about whether Trump's postmaster appointment actually can act to seize ballots in battleground states.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
2,590
Yep. If anything saves Trump, it is the blatant attack on the post office.

1) Delay all mail in ballots so on election night it looks like he wins.

2) Mail in ballots get counted and show Biden wins.

3) Trump claims fraud, meaning state legislatures have to verify the vote counts.

What states have Republican-run state governments? Michigan. Ohio. Wisconsin. Florida.

Ballgame. Stolen election.


What's going on in FL-26?


Very strong Republican candidate in a congressional district with a lot of downballot R voters. The R candidate is the mayor of Miami-Dade county who is popular for his efforts to stop the spread of covid. He also apparently endorsed Hillary in 2016 so he can credibly throw Trump under the bus if it comes down to that lol
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,545
Miami
What a lying sack of shit

Clearly this shit head has never even seen an absentee ballot or participated in the process. You submit and have your credentials check BEFORE you recieve the ballot

I can't take these people anymore
Nearly every member of the admin has been on record to have voted by mail before. They know exactly how the process works, they're just trying to distort reality as usual to cover up for the crimes they're planning to commit.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
28,162
"If we had no testing, or bad testing, we would show very few CASES.."

That he genuinely believes that no testing and more dead Americans is preferable to more testing and fewer dead Americans never ceases to be frightening.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,545
Miami


What's going on in FL-26?

I live in Miami and everyone is going to put this on Cubans but it's Hispanics in the area in general who are very anti-Socialism and therefore extremely anti-Dem since they associate the Democratic Party with Socialist ideals. It's going to take at least another generation to overcome the anti-Dem bias here as there's been an influx of young South Americans who are taking the place of the older Cubans as the R voting block.
 

thuway

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Oct 27, 2017
5,168
I live in Miami and everyone is going to put this on Cubans but it's Hispanics in the area in general who are very anti-Socialism and therefore extremely anti-Dem since they associate the Democratic Party with Socialist ideals. It's going to take at least another generation to overcome the anti-Dem bias here as there's been an influx of young South Americans who are taking the place of the older Cubans as the R voting block.
Damn is there no resentment for Trump and his build the wall rhetoric? Have things moved more to the right since 2016?
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,545
Miami
Damn is there no resentment for Trump and his build the wall rhetoric? Have things moved more to the right since 2016?
I honestly didn't want to get into this but unfortunately this group also tends to be heavily in the "fuck you, I got mine" demo that largely identifies as being white more than being Hispanic. Their views on Mexicans and Black people are more shocking than Trump's based on some of the experiences I've had since moving here.
 

thuway

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Oct 27, 2017
5,168
I honestly didn't want to get into this but unfortunately this group also tends to be heavily in the "fuck you, I got mine" demo that largely identifies as being white more than being Hispanic. Their views on Mexicans and Black people are more shocking than Trump's based on some of the experiences I've had since moving here.
In your experience have things moved further right on the ground or is their genuine enthusiasm for moving Trump out?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I live in Miami and everyone is going to put this on Cubans but it's Hispanics in the area in general who are very anti-Socialism and therefore extremely anti-Dem since they associate the Democratic Party with Socialist ideals. It's going to take at least another generation to overcome the anti-Dem bias here as there's been an influx of young South Americans who are taking the place of the older Cubans as the R voting block.

I wonder where the support in Florida for Biden is coming from given the polling, if Miami is like that.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,545
Miami
In your experience have things moved further right on the ground or is their genuine enthusiasm for moving Trump out?
It's hard to get a read since the COVID lockdowns means I've been spending a lot less time outside to hear what folks are saying but my expectation is that Trump is going to do better here than any other major metro area in the country. Usually Texas saves us from some of that embarrassment but probably not this year.
I wonder where the support in Florida for Biden is coming from given the polling, if Miami is like that.
I haven't seen a regional breakdown but I would bet that Biden is getting huge gains in the retiree areas and Central Florida which has seen a large migration of former New Yorkers and Puerto Ricans.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
16,514
This is one of those insultingly stupid talking points he refuses to let go of.

Yeah it breaks all logic

How the fuck does this change the narrative

Does he believe that if other nations Tested more that their positive cases would rival ours?

What about the death rate/population?

His assumption makes zero sense. Other nations that have gotten the virus under control dont have hospitals under strain and bed capacity issues because they are "ignoring" cases. They cases dont exist cuz they dealt with the problem effectively meaning they dont need to mass test
 

shiba5

I shed
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
15,863
Yes! How could I forget the vets. There is nothing more invigorating for a journalist than writing the 'more in sadness than anger' stories of vets being abused and manhandled by faceless fed goons. The story practically writes itself

That Navy vet standing there and taking his beating and mace like a badass was one hell of a statement.
 

Witness

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,876
New York
Damn is there no resentment for Trump and his build the wall rhetoric? Have things moved more to the right since 2016?

I've noticed the samething with a few coworkers who are from Brazil. Conservative and supports the GOP. I had to sit there and explain to someone why the fucking confederate flag is awful and racist, they said its just southern pride right? I wanted to blow up. I think a large part of it is just educating about the political landscape and just how shitty and oppressive the GOP and Trump are.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
18,613
I live in Miami and everyone is going to put this on Cubans but it's Hispanics in the area in general who are very anti-Socialism and therefore extremely anti-Dem since they associate the Democratic Party with Socialist ideals. It's going to take at least another generation to overcome the anti-Dem bias here as there's been an influx of young South Americans who are taking the place of the older Cubans as the R voting block.

Warren would be a terrible VP pick if she drives away more Hispanic voters.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
28,162
Fauci should tell Jordan,

"It's important to test for this virus, instead of ignoring it like it's abuse at a school."
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,885
That Navy vet standing there and taking his beating and mace like a badass was one hell of a statement.

The goons in the administration and their cultists are in complete bunker mode at this point and they can't recognize that normal America sees their bloodthirsty cheers of, "shoot the ANTIFA fascists" as disgusting. They're high on their own supply and Trump keeps cutting it with roach poison
 

Piston

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Oct 25, 2017
11,206
Oh, if Miami Dade mayor is running this might be a tough hold unless Biden carries Florida by the 5-6 point margin
He seems popular enough among people down here. I've heard a few times people saying "he's doing this, and he's a republican!"

He still should have shut down incoming tourism and never opened up restaurants to "half" capacity indoors.
 

lmcfigs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,091
idk people always blame hispanics for dems losing in Florida. But Hillary did really well w/ hispanics in Florida and dems still generally win the hispanic vote in the state. Like we do have hispanics from countries other than Cuba and Venezuela down here.
 

Wag

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Nov 3, 2017
11,638
What the fuck is wrong with these guys? They're still badgering Fauci, even with >152k dead. This country is fucked. Even after Trump is gone there will be parts of the country that won't follow simple rules that will help prevent the spread of the virus.

What a bunch of morons.
 

Rover

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Oct 25, 2017
5,440
idk people always blame hispanics for dems losing in Florida. But Hillary did really well w/ hispanics in Florida and dems still generally win the hispanic vote in the state. Like we do have hispanics from countries other than Cuba and Venezuela down here.

It's tiring to repeat this, but we're not a monolith and even people who immigrated from one country are divided on most issues.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
12,545
Miami
idk people always blame hispanics for dems losing in Florida. But Hillary did really well w/ hispanics in Florida and dems still generally win the hispanic vote
It's not that Democrats do horribly here it's that generally these large metro areas carry states for Democrats. Hillary won this region in 2016 by capturing ~60% of the vote which isn't bad unless you compare it to a city like NYC where she captured ~90%.
 

Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
13,340


Leigh Ann Caldwell @LACaldwellDC

NEW on COVID talks Mnucin and Meadows offered a one-week extension of UI benefits of $600/week in closed-door talks last night - an offer Pelosi and Schumer firmly rejected, 2 sources familiar say.

8:16 AM · Jul 31, 2020


I wish journalists would ever do some critical thinking when typing this stuff out.

Don't say "they offered a week extension of the $600/week benefit." That's just $600! Functionally they offered a one time payment of $600 for people who are still unemployed.

There's zero point in saying the "/week" part here except to make the offer look better.
 
While I find this completely believable, do you have a cite showing that accepting/receiving the pardon is the actual specific legal standard? Because the way I saw it presented, it was more ambiguous and could have been based on a standard having to do with sentencing (or even something else).
Yes, it goes back to United States v. Wilson (1833), where the Supreme Court said that acceptance is the final part of the pardon process — in that case, the court ruled that the recipient of a pardon has the opportunity to reject it. So since Grant rescinded the pardons before they were presented, there was no opportunity to accept/reject and the pardons were not final.

George W. Bush rescinded his pardon of Isaac Toussie on a similar basis in December 2008.

There is still some controversy around the very idea of rescinding pardons, with some arguing that the act of a president signing vests it and cannot be rescinded. But that's the state of current law.
 

Orayn

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Oct 25, 2017
11,053
To be honest, Miller starting to spout off about mail in voting fraud gives me pause. He's far too cocky and arrogant. Makes me think he's in on talks about whether Trump's postmaster appointment actually can act to seize ballots in battleground states.
It means it's already rigged, they're probably going to identify and discard all mail-in ballots period and fuck around with polling places enough to make sure they win all the key states.
 
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