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US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.
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I don't see how him attacking someone for no legs is gonna cost him anyone that hasn't already left.
Gross generalizations like this quote alone tells that either you know jack shit about the history of American foreign policy or you're just ramping things up in order to blow off some steam. If it's the former, educate yourself to not show your ass. If it's the latter, cool off because you're not contributing anything worthwhile.
What does strongly worded letters have to do with the fact that US politicians constantly promote violence through sanctions, bombings, and the mass export of weapons throughout the world?
I am not asking for isolationism. I'm asking for a foreign policy that's not violence first, last, or any option in between. I'm asking for a policy that backs up our, "freedom and democracy for all," rhetoric.
Okay, so what did I get wrong here? Please. Enlighten me.
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I agree with that. Calling all democratic foreign policy "right wing" when there are clearly elements of it that don't like the whole Imperialism thing while also understanding that Geopolitics and America being a superpower means even when we try to be the "good" guy we fuck up doesn't help.
You know how many people cheer on America "depowering itself" who use that rhetoric and fail to realize it'll be either China or Russia replacing us on the global stage? America is no saint but I have hope we can change the problems here. China/Russia? Less so.
Obama had a clear objective of trying to deescalate the situation and go for peace (IRAN). Meanwhile Right Wing foreign policy wants to go to war with them and reduce Iran to glass.
These two positions are clearly the same.
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New Zealand PM Ardern's ratings sky high ahead of election
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's party raced ahead of rivals in the latest opinion poll, putting the charismatic 40-year-old leader on track for a comfortable victory in the elections in September.www.reuters.com
Ardern has consistently polled ahead of her rivals and her popularity has risen further this year as she won global praise for her leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Kind of hard to take your point seriously when you state such generalities as fact.
I think a lot of people, particularly on the center, believe that when leftists cheer on the end of US colonialism and imperialism, we are not cheering for the end of the idea of what so many people believe US foreign policy is: the promotion of equal rights and democracy across the free world.
What we are celebrating is the end of a colonialist foreign policy that basically chooses which oppressed people deserves human rights and which oppressed people doesn't deserve human rights.
Like it's pretty incredible that we constantly shame China on human rights but never Turkey. We shame Russia about their self-appointed dictator, but never shame Saudi Arabia's and its royal family. We shame Hezbollah about arming certain groups in Syria, yet we never shame the Saudi and Qatari Wahhabist financiers of hard right militias across the Middle East.
If we really want to back up what we say, we actually have to do it because right now, our whole stability game we play with a regional dictator only creates more problems for the regions we meddle with over time (See: Mubarak).
While it's not necessarily that nobody cares about the party platform, I don't think what's on the party platform has ever been a good indicator of the Democrats' priorities absent activist pressure. Nor do I think what the Democrats put on the platform is going to change minds and pull in votes.
I'm going to use this as a reminder that the work doesn't end in November.
Actually, I guess I am saying that nobody really cares about the party platform.
I'm going to use this as a reminder that the work doesn't end in November.
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Sometimes I hear this but in practice they're celebrating American influence going down.
We should be trying to change our influence into a postive movement like you said.
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No, he absolutely was wrong.
Reagan wouldn't have tried to go for peace with Iran and you know it. Nor would anyone on the right tried to criticize and reign in Israel.
He's taking over guest-hosting multiple left-of-center programming on podcasts and tv,.now that people want some time off.
Plus the Trump campaign has set the bar super-low for Biden, just as Bernie's surrogates did before. It's an easy lay-up for Biden.
That's really all it is. The GOP will use that to attack them and it would be a huge distraction. Law enforcement and pharma lobbies also hate legalized marijuana so you'd have them backing the GOP by default.
No need to have that fight this year.
I think it's less about wanting the olds to turn out and more that a lot of the people drafting this thing are olds themselves.
That I said, I don't think these party platforms matter at all
We did not go for peace with Iran with Obama.
Embargo style sanctions (Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela) are weapons of mass destruction meant to starve a nation's most impoverished people so the richest at the top of an affected nation's government are forced to change policy.
There is nothing peaceful about starving a country. It is violent in the same way it is violent for state and local governments that refuse to properly fund impoverished communities in the US because they are, "high crime."
Weed legalization passed in Washington state in 2012 and the state Democratic party supported it.
They're almost there, they need a tiny bit of push on this issue.
And I donno, if we want young people to care more about politics, legalizing weed doesn't seem like a terrible idea to me.
It's also good policy.
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So how do you suggest we impose punishment on regimes doing bad things? Sanctions are not weapons of mass destructon and if used properly can actually hurt a government.
See US sanctions on Russia.
In the pic I saw, the dude had a rifle across his chest, and while it wasn't pointing up, he was holding it and looked ready to go. Whether it was justifiable self defense, I don't know.
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A Cop saying someone deserved to die isn't a good look.
If you want to make the claim that the history of America is a long, painful continuation of colonialism and often violent intervention and conquest - I have no contention with that. I'll also agree that the U.S. has a lot of work to do to make up for it's past sins - largely by empowering international bodies, offering positive diplomatic and econcomic overtures (instead of sanctions) and actually being consistent on upholding human rights.
However, if you're going to throw out the claim it's all been 200 years of unbroken imperialism and that there's no discernible differences between U.S. presidents then you'll need to articulate to me how
- the initial concept and execution of the Monroe Doctrine in asserting the Western Hemisphere was to be independent from European powers does not differ in how it was interpreted in the early 20th century during T. Roosevelt's Pax Americana
- Wilson's campaign of international activism was no different than Hoover's staunch belief in non-intervention
- the ways that F.D.R.'s Good Neighbor policy has anything in common with Cold War interventionism in Latin America during the cold war
- conflate how the Clinton Administration's military use for humanitarian intervention in spots like Haiti and Bosnia are indistinguishable from W.Bush's justifications for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq
- anything done during Carter or Obama's admin comes within sniffing distance of Iran-Contra
The sanctions on Russia have been largely put on oligarchs and those supporting oligarchs.
Also, US sanctions are only so effective against larger countries since the whole point of sanctions is to put a knee on a country's throat. The larger and more resource rich the country is, the less effective the sanctions will be. So in the case of Russia, the US will never stop doing business with Deutsche Bank even though the international bank has been caught multiple times laundering billions of dollars for the sanctioned country.
The best way to punish a country committing human rights violations is to sanction the ruling class and continue to provide aid and fund the opposition if the adversarial party asks for it.
Sanctions have never been successful and it is just another form of warfare that has killed millions of people.
Hang tight. I'm heading off to bed right now, but I really do appreciate your response. I will get back to it in the morning. I apologize for the snootiness earlier.
Not saying it didn't happen, but do you have a clip of that so we can see the full context?
Barr should have been impeached after he covered up the results of the Mueller report. The House not holding him accountable has emboldened him.
I'm sure he's very scared of being acquitted by the Senate.
Nothing the House could do would have changed anything he has done since.
whatever will William Barr do without his salary as Attorney General
I'm not sure it's such a great idea for America to decide which countries should be punished and then punish them considering the crazy racists we tend to elect to positions of power.
And more broadly, there are other ways to engage with countries than bombing and sanctions.
Can interest you in some diplomacy and peace?
I think they're neat.
I'll take your word for that. First Google hit says he's worth $40M, and I'm sure a GoFundMe crying about "evil House Dems taking the salary of Dear Leader's right hand man" would pull in a few million for him.
Look, you don't ignore what he did because you think the result might not work out in your favor. You do it because it's the right thing to do.
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Yes, diplomacy very much works with despotic regimes like N. Korea and Russia.
They're just tripping over themselves with all the candy and flowers we'll send.
Seems like it's going to continue to be a "states rights" matter for at least the next 4 years. Assuming a Biden win, I could see them making the commitment to federal legalization in 2024 as more dominoes start to fall across the country.
I agree, if you're going to sanction, they need to be "smart" targeted sanctions against individuals and maybe associated organizations.
Fair enough. I got a little heated too, TBH. The idea that imperfect leaders like Carter who were nonetheless comitted to positive change could be lumped in with unrepentant monsters like Jackson was offensive to me.
Vaughn Hillyarn @VaughnHillyard
"As we move forward with our plans to welcome everyone back to our campuses for the start of the semester on August 20..." Arizona State University, with a main campus of 55,000 students in Tempe, says its sticking to plans to welcome staff/students back in just over 3 weeks.
Michael Crow @michaelcrow
I sent the message below to @ASU students and personnel this evening to reaffirm our plans for fall 2020. With the continued care and cooperation of our university community, we look forward to a successful semester.
9:34 PM · Jul 27, 2020
11:03 PM · Jul 27, 2020
"As we move forward with our plans to welcome everyone back to our campuses for the start of the semester on August 20..." Arizona State University, with a main campus of 55,000 students in Tempe, says its sticking to plans to welcome staff/students back in just over 3 weeks.
Michael Crow @michaelcrow
I sent the message below to @ASU students and personnel this evening to reaffirm our plans for fall 2020. With the continued care and cooperation of our university community, we look forward to a successful semester.
9:34 PM · Jul 27, 2020
A message from ASU President Michael Crow reaffirming plans for fall 2020 | Office of the President
Dear ASU Community:I am writing today to reaffirm our plans for the fall semester at Arizona State University.
Vaughn Hillyarn @VaughnHillyard
"As we move forward with our plans to welcome everyone back to our campuses for the start of the semester on August 20..." Arizona State University, with a main campus of 55,000 students in Tempe, says its sticking to plans to welcome staff/students back in just over 3 weeks.
I sent the message below to @ASU students and personnel this evening to reaffirm our plans for fall 2020. With the continued care and cooperation of our university community, we look forward to a successful semester.11:03 PM · Jul 27, 2020
A message from ASU President Michael Crow reaffirming plans for fall 2020 | Office of the President
Dear ASU Community:I am writing today to reaffirm our plans for the fall semester at Arizona State University.president.asu.edu
See my last post a few pages ago, colleges are going to be a nightmare in a few weeks. Might even be worse than grade school/high schools given the freedom and mobility of college students with cars etc. A 5th grader might be limited to class and then home. A college student is going to class, then maybe shopping, out to a bar, etc. Also colleges are really showing their asses on this, it's all about greed. Whenever I hear rumblings about the college I work at opening in a few weeks, enrollment numbers are the first thing mentioned. Colleges were poisoned back in April with some survey of college students that showed a high percentage of students would look at transferring to another college with in class teaching if classes were online again. But that survey was taken in late March while everyone was struggling to figure out remote learning. I would be curious to see those numbers if that survey was taken now. I would argue at this point how many students are afraid to come back and how does that affect enrollment? But the lumbering beast that is higher ed is completely unable to make quick adjustments, especially when someone views enrollment numbers on the line. Actual health and safety of the students is a remote concern.
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The big ask is the four small hospital ships, replacing the mercy class which is 50 years old.
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This to me just reads like caution. Not having a positive endorsement of legalizing marijuana on the platform is not the same as opposing marijuana legalization.
They don't need this to make the difference in the election, and I think there is an argument to be made that having it as part of the platform may introduce an unknown risk.
Win the Presidency, then legalize it or further decriminalize it.
The degree mill that is ASU, where all you need is a heartbeat to get admitted, is moving forward with in-person classes? Who would have thought?
Non of this is binding and doesn't even come up again when the party wins a race. You don't want to give your opponent fodder between now and the election.
Large universities or "easier" admissions schools (such as community colleges that capture a wide range of students) don't make a "diploma mill."
By the way, a rep for the Austin PD is on CNN saying the protestor who got shot and killed deserved it.
Fucking piece of shit. I used to think the APD were okay-ish because they mostly don't arrest people for smoking weed and because the cops in Williamson County make them look like boy scouts in comparison, but their reaction to the protests have completely cured me of that notion.
Okay so agree to disagree on Israel, but I can we agree they're lagging the American public here?
It feels like such an easy win to me to jump on this. It will be legal in most of America soon enough anyway.
Edit: polls!
Yeah, the DNC is wrong here if this is just about public support.
What's the context for these votes though? Is "platform" just symbolic? The congress and administration don't have to adhere to any of it AFAIK. It's not like the candidate signs a contract. That's the only thing I can think of to rationalize the vote: the fact that they don't want to campaign on it. If so, that doesn't mean they oppose it...
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