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shiba5

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Nikki Haley @NikkiHaley

We know how much @realDonaldTrump wanted to have a blowout convention.Proud of the selfless leadership he has shown in cancelling the convention. He has a great story to tell on how he turned our economy & foreign policy around. We look forward to sharing it in the next 100 days!

10:21 AM · Jul 24, 2020


The sucking up is so gross.
WHAT ECONOMY?? He let COVID run out of control and wrecked everything!
Oh, and our foreign policy is so great that Putin has no fear about putting bounties on U.S. soldiers.
 

Casa

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A smart Republican with future hopes for a presidential run themselves would be doing everything they can right now to keep their distance from Trump.

Glad to see Nikky Haley tie herself to the 50 ton anchor that is Trump as he's sinking to the bottom. I'm sure her future opponent will remind everyone that she will forever have the Trump stench on her when she and every other Republican tries to claim they never supported him.
 

Plinko

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That's actually not fair because unless you forgot Trump turned 2018 into a referendum on himself... and of course acted like he didn't seconds after the GOP got wiped out.

But endorsing someone isn't usually going to convince his fans to run out and vote.

They vote for him, not people he talks about. Him not being on the ticket himself gave them no reason to vote. It makes a difference.
 

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A smart Republican with future hopes for a presidential run themselves would be doing everything they can right now to keep their distance from Trump.

Glad to see Nikky Haley tie herself to the 50 ton anchor that is Trump as he's sinking to the bottom. I'm sure her future opponent will remind everyone that she will forever have the Trump stench on her when she and every other Republican tries to claim they never supported him.

It's entirely possible that trump continues to hold great power in the party even if he loses. His supporters are effectively cult members at this point, and their loyalty is to him, not to the republican party. I can see him playing kingmaker in the party.
 

sphagnum

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This article encapsulates a lot of my frustration with (and I'm sure many of you feel the same way) with our political system. Millennials make far less than Boomers and Gen X's of the same age, and came to age during the 2008 Great Recession and the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic. And what's most infuriating about it is that those same Boomers who claim to be against big government are the ones who benefit the most from government largesse - e.g. Social Security, Medicare, and the mortgage interest deduction while being opposed to universal healthcare, a minimum wage, dealing with the student loan crisis, and making it more affordable for millennials to buy a home.



www.bloomberg.com

OK Boomer, We’re Gonna Socialize You

The pandemic is turning Millennials into socialists. We must make them a better offer.

I love seeing Bloomberg, WSJ, etc. sweat over this stuff.
 

shiba5

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I hear he was hated by NYC residents. But outside of The Apprentice, I doubt I ever gave Trump enough mindshare to even Wikipedia him and form an opinion.

I hated him since the late 80's and I've lived in MD my entire life. He always came across as a scumbag.
Actually, hate is a strong word. I didn't hate him until 2015. I disliked him and thought he was a conman.

Edit: Oh, I remember my parents taking me to visit my uncle who lived outside Atlantic City and he wanted to take us to a brand new casino called the Taj Mahal. LOL
It was the tackiest place I've ever been in my life - fake gold leaf as far as the eye could see. I also got to ride in an elevator with an ancient man and his "daughter". Thanks mom and dad. What a treat.
 
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I hated him since the late 80's and I've lived in MD my entire life. He always came across as a scumbag.
Actually, hate is a strong word. I didn't hate him until 2015. I disliked him and thought he was a conman.

I encountered him first on TV back in the late 80s. 13 year old me thought he was a blowhard then. 13 year old me was right.
 
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I hear he was hated by NYC residents. But outside of The Apprentice, I doubt I ever gave Trump enough mindshare to even Wikipedia him and form an opinion.

Around 2009 I had a coworker who was from the Chicago suburbs and absolutely hated Donald Trump. I'm kind of curious to see if that would have changed if he were still alive when Trump was running for president being he was the kind of right wing racist asshole that makes up Trump's base.
 

RDreamer

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I hear he was hated by NYC residents. But outside of The Apprentice, I doubt I ever gave Trump enough mindshare to even Wikipedia him and form an opinion.
The dude was a massive outspoken Birther in 2011 and then Romney had to kiss his ass and got an endorsement for president in 2012.

People outside of NYC absolutely knew who he was.
 

Slayven

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A smart Republican with future hopes for a presidential run themselves would be doing everything they can right now to keep their distance from Trump.

Glad to see Nikky Haley tie herself to the 50 ton anchor that is Trump as he's sinking to the bottom. I'm sure her future opponent will remind everyone that she will forever have the Trump stench on her when she and every other Republican tries to claim they never supported him.
last smart thing Haley did was take down the confederate flag, I am now thinking that was pure accident.
 

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The dude was a massive outspoken Birther in 2011 and then Romney had to kiss his ass and got an endorsement for president in 2012.

People outside of NYC absolutely knew who he was.
For sure, but a lot of people only thought of him as that billionaire from NYC with the weird orange hair that might be a wig, and nothing else. A big part of why 2020 doesn't look like 2016, is because way more people know him better now.
 

Slayven

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For sure, but a lot of people only thought of him as that billionaire from NYC with the weird orange hair that might be a wig, and nothing else. A big part of why 2020 doesn't look like 2016, is because way more people know him better now.
yeah going from the guy that had the wacky catchphrase to maybe the reason grandma died will change perceptions
 

shiba5

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There's a reason scammers will target people they've already scammed over and over. Meet Michael Sheehan:


In 2009, Sheehan paid $1,495 to attend a three-day Trump University seminar at a Marriott in Albany, N.Y. — then discovered it was one long sales pitch for more-expensive programs. "Trump was a big sham," Sheehan wrote in 2012, summing up his experience in a court affidavit.

Now, Sheehan said, he doesn't blame Trump for Trump University. The instructors were probably at fault, he said: "I don't think he sat there and said, 'Hey, I want you to rip everybody off.' "
This year, he doesn't blame Trump for the worsening of the coronavirus crisis. Trump's enemies are probably at fault, he said. "You don't think it's very convenient," he said, that the pandemic arrived in an election year?
 

Slayven

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Yep, watch any documentary on big scams. The victims alwyas try to make excuses. Hell watch the fire festival hulu documentry. Dude was back to scamming the same people a week out of court from the fire festival shit
 

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SwordsmanofS

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This is what many have been warning about for years & it was spelled out in the post-2012 autopsy. Anti-immigrant rhetoric & other issues are leading the GOP into a box canyon as states like GA, AZ & TX become more blue. Current path is not sustainable.


this was foreseeable and, as Brian says, foreseen — and then briefly forgotten or ignored by a staggering number of people because Trump beat an unpopular Democrat by 70k votes in the Midwest despite losing the popular vote nationally


Somewhat tangentially related:
 

Casa

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It's entirely possible that trump continues to hold great power in the party even if he loses. His supporters are effectively cult members at this point, and their loyalty is to him, not to the republican party. I can see him playing kingmaker in the party.
Maybe if he loses very narrowly. That way he can claim fraud and all of his cult will believe it's possible. But if he gets blown out by a massive margin like it looks like he will they'll all pretend like they hated him all along.
 

Mulligan

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Yup.

I saw a GOP strategist talking about this after Obama got reelected. About how they have to change course. Then all the stars aligned and Trump won *inspite* of his racism, and the message they took was that he won *because* of it.

The thing is, no other GOP candidate in 2016 followed the 2012 autopsy advice. The entire field was filled with racists who were intent on limiting voting access to brown people and making immigration and citizenship more difficult.

People can point to Trump as the sole racist in that primary, but they all were.
 

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Somewhat tangentially related:


I wish he'd just use his money to give his wife more shitty acting roles instead of using it to damage the country, like he did when she appeared in Xena Warrior Princess:

latest
 

DrForester

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Maybe if he loses very narrowly. That way he can claim fraud and all of his cult will believe it's possible. But if he gets blown out by a massive margin like it looks like he will they'll all pretend like they hated him all along.

Republican lawmakers might want to, but their voters wont. They worship the man, and they will claim any loss, big or small was rigged against him.
 
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The problem is that Trump is a symptom of one of the major diseases plaguing 2020's old people. All too many of the extremely hateful ones are also those who are hopelessly addicted to cable news and social media, which Trump is a part of. He isn't going to go to the ranch and paint like GWB, he's never going to shut the fuck up. You can't memory hole someone who keeps yelling at you.
 

SwordsmanofS

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Until the next far-right GOP populist is swept into office in 2028 that is.
That... wouldn't be possible. In order for for that to happen, the GOP has to change in order to match and meet the changes of their once solid strongholds. But contradictory, a GOP populist is becoming anathema to these places. That's the 'problem'.

It seems like people forget but, as the article points out, Trump won on a technicality. 70k votes across 3 states. Against a historically disliked opponent. Who still won the popular vote. And who probably would have won the Presidency (and Senate) had it not been for an open investigation by the (then) respected FBI Director who was appointed by a President of the same party as her. As much as I like and respect Hillary, it's becoming increasingly obvious that literally any other Democrat probably hands Trump his ass in 2016.

The national GOP is facing a problem where what the Primary GOP voter likes is becoming toxic to the other 66% of the electorate. And that's a problem because in the best case scenario, it's like running Kobach in Kansas. Even in the best of conditions, the person most liked by the GOP Primary voter is going to struggle in a General.

TLDR: for them to win, they have to change. Not in 2016, Maybe not in 2020, or 2024 even. But sooner or later, they have to pay the piper. Problem is, the current GOP base doesn't want that. Ergo, they have a pretty big problem on their hands.
 

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I would say that most of the 30-40 people in this group would know trump and hate him. He was on tv consistently through the end of the 80's as the king of business and 90's as the fool.
it's interesting heard one podcast call it the trump crest where people liked the asshole business man and they were the movie hero. Think nothing but trouble where Chevy pays a hero rich guy.
 

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In Iowa, Sen. Joni Ernst (R) has challenged her Democratic competitor to six debates, starting in August. In North Carolina, Sen. Thom Tillis (R) pressed his Democratic opponent to accept five debates, which he wanted to start in the spring. And in Maine, Sen. Susan Collins (R) declared that she wants to debate her opponent 16 times, one in each of the state's counties, starting immediately.

Republicans acknowledge that this upends the usual debate about debates, in which an incumbent rarely wants to give the challenger the same platform. Incumbent senators are pleading with their lesser-known rivals to join them on debate stages, or Zoom, trying to elevate the profile of these Democrats. But they view this as a matter of necessity in a campaign in which Republicans are running into the head winds of President Trump's sagging poll numbers amid his stumbling response to the coronavirus pandemic.

And the pandemic has limited campaign activities that are normal for a big Senate race, activities such as state fairs, beach walks and large church services — and without those staples, there are fewer chances for candidates to make mistakes. Instead, Republicans are growing fearful that Democratic candidates are receiving such little scrutiny that they could steamroll to victory, and to the Senate majority, mostly by raising huge amounts of money that fund smart media campaigns on TV and social media.

Part of the GOP frustration comes from the steadily shrinking amount of local media that covers congressional elections — a trend that has only worsened with the collapse of advertising revenue in the pandemic, leading to further newsroom layoffs.

That gets combined with a national news corps that is heavily focused on covering coronavirus stories, limiting the number of stories from key Senate battlegrounds. GOP strategists feel that their incumbents still have to face the Capitol press corps every day that the Senate is in session, while the Democratic challengers carefully choose their public appearances.

You hate to see it...
 

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Yup.

I saw a GOP strategist talking about this after Obama got reelected. About how they have to change course. Then all the stars aligned and Trump won *inspite* of his racism, and the message they took was that he won *because* of it.

leading them into a box canyon

I've never heard the phrase but I like it
 
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That's the psychosis of a degenerate gambler:

"I may have lost the rent money on poker and cheap booze, but if I can just win one big one I can move on and feel whole again."
 
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Getting random text messages I didn't sign up for. I wonder if the local Dem offices gave out their volunteer list.

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If Tulsi ain't in this survey, I don't want any part of it /s
 

xenocide

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Getting random text messages I didn't sign up for. I wonder if the local Dem offices gave out their volunteer list.

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If Tulsi ain't in this survey, I don't want any part of it /s
If it makes you feel better, I get daily text messages from the Biden campaign, and random texts from various other Democratic candidates. Apparently it's the price I pay for donating to Democrats across the country.
 

Sagroth

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I hear he was hated by NYC residents. But outside of The Apprentice, I doubt I ever gave Trump enough mindshare to even Wikipedia him and form an opinion.

I read Cracked.com a lot several years back, and they'd have articles about Trump fucking with neighbors and just being an awful piece of shit, so I hated him long before he ran in 2016.
 

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The premise is weird as most Presidents had little public opinion before running for public office.
 

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I am old enough to remember seeing Trump on TV a lot in the late 80s and early 90s, and my impression of him at the time was that he was a rich celebrity who some people took seriously and others thought was a buffoon. He always came across as a buffoon to me and that only increased over time.
 
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