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Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
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Oct 25, 2017
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That's fair, I completely agree. Collecting all the things that have been happening can easily be panic-inducing, and that's important to resist.
Mmm. That's the big thing, I think. If you've decided that they've already won, it's really easy to just... make that self-fulfilling. If they've won, why even try, right?

But that's not what's happened. They're scrambling and pulling every lever because it's very possible that if they lose this one the way they're looking to, that that's it for the GOP as it currently exists. If we really get the trifecta this time, they might be forced into a position where, between voting reform, actual policy advancements, and cultural shift, their current platform becomes nonviable. Take heart from their panic, even though it means we're going to have to fight like hell.
 

Basileus777

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Oct 26, 2017
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New Jersey
The problem with the "they've won democracy is over" posts is that it's just venting. This thread doesn't exist so we can be everyone's therapist, post stuff that's not just panic induced ravings.
 

SquirrelSr

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Oct 26, 2017
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They're already whitewashing Lewis

I hate the "colorblind" position so much. Congrats on erasing and ignoring centuries of racial oppression because you refuse to acknowledge that black people have been shat on for centuries. Suddenly pretending that all ethnic groups are now on equal footing is like holding the door for a paraplegic person after you stole their crutches after you stole their wheelchair after you broke their fucking legs.
 

Scottt

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Mmm. That's the big thing, I think. If you've decided that they've already won, it's really easy to just... make that self-fulfilling. If they've won, why even try, right?

But that's not what's happened. They're scrambling and pulling every lever because it's very possible that if they lose this one the way they're looking to, that that's it for the GOP as it currently exists. If we really get the trifecta this time, they might be forced into a position where, between voting reform, actual policy advancements, and cultural shift, their current platform becomes nonviable. Take heart from their panic, even though it means we're going to have to fight like hell.

Yes, that's true. I'm not sure if this election will resolve the ways that federal agencies and police have been reshaped over the last several years--but that just means we will need to continue to act.

One of the consequences of panicking is that it makes a person feel alone and powerless, which then compounds that initially creeping feeling. Even venting about it can compound the feeling. It stifles one's sense of ability. If anyone is experiencing that, then it's important to counter it by engaging in something collective like joining an organization and participating in a collective action. Acting together will stifle the thing that stifles.
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, that's true. I'm not sure if this election will resolve the ways that federal agencies and police have been reshaped over the last several years--but that just means we will need to continue to act.

One of the consequences of panicking is that it makes a person feel alone and powerless, which then compounds that initially creeping feeling. Even venting about it can compound the feeling. It stifles one's sense of ability. If anyone is experiencing that, then it's important to counter it by engaging in something collective like joining an organization and participating in a collective action. Acting together will stifle the thing that stifles.
Too damn true.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
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Saw Linkin Park trending on Twitter.........because there is a Trump ad using their music =/

Despicable
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Brian Stelter @brianstelter

This is getting to be a pretty common occurrence: Trump posts disabled due to copyright infringement claims. This time? A campaign video using a Linkin Park song. Law and order prez...

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8:55 PM · Jul 18, 2020




 

ezekial45

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Oct 25, 2017
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Question, should we be worried for the postal service not being able to deliver ballots on time?

federalnewsnetwork.com

USPS package surge keeps agency afloat, but puts toll on employees

While the Postal Service fights to stay solvent, its workforce of more than 600,000 employees has encountered a slew of challenges to deliver a volume of packages that sometimes rivals what they handle during the agency's peak holiday period.

www.govexec.com

Looking to Cut Costs, New USPS Leader Takes Aim at Overtime and Late Trips

Postal Service acknowledges some mail delays are likely, but says ultimately the system will be more efficient.
This is why I'm not getting too excited when I see the strong poll numbers for Biden. Trump and the GOP will do anything and everything to prevent people from voting this Fall. I'm beyond angry to that they're getting away with everything they've done so far.
 

lenovox1

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's too bad the majority of those troops will vote against there own self-interests. Again and again and again, ad nauseam.

From December 2019:

www.militarytimes.com

Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows

But Trump is still more popular than Obama was among troops.

Half of active-duty military personnel contacted in the poll held an unfavorable view of President Trump, showing a continued decline in his approval rating since he was elected in 2016.

ETA: I get the initial generalization. The military is about as white as the general population and is predominately male and Southern. But many of them have also completed higher education and are young, if we're basing things on appearances.

www.cfr.org

Demographics of the U.S. Military

Deployed around the world, the armed forces are a pillar of U.S. power and influence abroad. But many civilians are unfamiliar with their composition. How much does the military resemble U.S. society?

TBH, the military on its own is it's own separate demographic and social group in the US, and I would find it difficult to ascribe any beliefs to any individual member based on appearances or news reports.
 
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Drakeon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are they really going to wait until the last possible second to decide on the next relief bill?

McConnell seems determined to put out the Republican Senate bill because he wants credit, despite the fact that he insists on blanket liability for corporations (which is gonna be a non-starter). Also, apparently the Whitehouse doesn't want funding for contact tracing and testing? That seems like an awful awful idea that even the Republican Senators recognize will destroy them in the fall. So, in summary, infighting is delaying it and McConnell being an awful human, doesn't care if that means some poor folks suffer.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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McConnell seems determined to put out the Republican Senate bill because he wants credit, despite the fact that he insists on blanket liability for corporations (which is gonna be a non-starter). Also, apparently the Whitehouse doesn't want funding for contact tracing and testing? That seems like an awful awful idea that even the Republican Senators recognize will destroy them in the fall. So, in summary, infighting is delaying it and McConnell being an awful human, doesn't care if that means some poor folks suffer.
Let's be honest, it's way way too late for contact tracing. America gave up. The virus won. Led by the pied piper of death. Tracing is important when case counts are low, to stop the spread before it happens. Now we just have to hope for a vaccine soon, and hope that enough people take it. Also, good luck doing tracing in the US due to everyone's privacy concerns.
 

viskod

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Plinko

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Let's be honest, it's way way too late for contact tracing. America gave up. The virus won. Led by the pied piper of death. Tracing is important when case counts are low, to stop the spread before it happens. Now we just have to hope for a vaccine soon, and hope that enough people take it. Also, good luck doing tracing in the US due to everyone's privacy concerns.

The money is for testing as well, so tracing isn't really even the issue here. He doesn't want testing, period.
 

LOCK

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Oct 25, 2017
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Almost 2 months before early voting starts in some states. The virus is still going to be going strong in August and unfortunately the death numbers will be higher and more noticeable by the public. Hopefully Biden and the Democrats can have plenty of events and figureheads to spur get out the vote events that are safe and more importantly effective to increase turnout. Got to get all these suburban moms to fuel their anger into votes. Got to get minority communities to vote without risking their health further. There is so much to do and seems like so little time. I need to volunteer more :/
 

studyguy

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Oct 26, 2017
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During an interview tonight on Los Angeles' KFI-AM 640, Roger Stone's phone signal briefly broke up. Then a voice can be heard saying: "I don't really feel like arguing with this negro." Stone later denied saying those words when asked by Mr. Mo'Kelly.

j e s u s
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Pls save your outrage

The democrats in this state have become a non entity

Calloway has gotten no ad whatsoever

No national democrats care about missouri
 

Mcfrank

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Oct 28, 2017
15,216
Almost 2 months before early voting starts in some states. The virus is still going to be going strong in August and unfortunately the death numbers will be higher and more noticeable by the public. Hopefully Biden and the Democrats can have plenty of events and figureheads to spur get out the vote events that are safe and more importantly effective to increase turnout. Got to get all these suburban moms to fuel their anger into votes. Got to get minority communities to vote without risking their health further. There is so much to do and seems like so little time. I need to volunteer more :/
I think Wisconsin shows that people will crawl over broken glass to vote against republicans this year. They shouldnt have to, but they will.
 

cameron

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Oct 26, 2017
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Biden's advantage among registered voters is up from a virtual dead heat, 49-47%, in late March, before the spiraling pandemic situation hammered Trump's ratings. Biden, similarly, was just +4 among registered voters in January, as economic sentiment hit a 20-year high. That said, what comes can go: Biden led Trump by 17 points last October and 15 in September, leads that he then relinquished, only to fully regain his footing now.
Trump's retreat since the early days of the coronavirus outbreak has been largest in one of his core groups, rural Americans, with his lead among registered voters in this group shrinking from 47 points in late March to 18 points now, 56-38%. As noted Friday, his rating for handling the pandemic also has fallen especially sharply in rural areas. (The race is 52-43%, Biden-Trump, among suburbanites, and 68-27% in urban areas, both essentially steady.)
Regional shifts also are substantial. Biden's advanced in the Midwest, from a dead heat to a 17-point lead. It's close in the South, 50-44%, Biden-Trump, compared with a 13-point Trump lead in late March. And Biden is ahead by 15 points in the Northeast and a broad 30 points in the West.
In a key center group, Biden leads by 54-37% among independents, unchanged from May but up from an even split in March.
Biden now leads by 25 points among women, double his margin in late March, and is a non-significant +4 among men, compared with -9 among men then. This includes a broad 60-36% Biden lead among suburban women, compared with a virtual dead heat among suburban men, 49-45%, Trump-Biden.
Biden holds a 30-point lead among college graduates, 63-33%, vs. +15 points in late March. (Hillary Clinton won this group by just 10 points in 2016, 52-42%.) And Trump has gone from an 18-point lead among white registered voters to a scant 4 points now, while 94% of Black registered voters support Biden.
White Catholics, potentially a swing voter group, divide essentially evenly, 51-47%, Trump-Biden, vs. +13 for Trump in March; Trump won white Catholics by 61-37% in 2016. Trump currently does better, 61-34%, among non-college white men, but this is a group he won with 71% four years ago. Across the political spectrum, college-educated white women favor Biden by 60-38%, compared with their 51-44% vote for Clinton over Trump in 2016.
Trump retains support from 90% of registered voters who say they voted for him in 2016, but loses 8% of them to Biden. Biden, for his part, wins 95% of Clinton's 2016 supporters, with 3% going to Trump.
Notably, too, Biden wins registered voters who are very worried about catching the coronavirus by an overwhelming 82-14%, and those who are somewhat worried by a narrower 53-41%. Those who are less worried, by contrast, prefer Trump, 69-26%.
Indeed, in a statistical analysis called regression, being worried about catching the coronavirus is a significant independent predictor of vote preference, controlling for other factors including partisanship, ideology and demographics.
 
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I can only hope pollsters aren't all poll chasing like what happened in the Australian election where pollsters didn't want to show themselves as the outlier.

That being said, everything Trump has done has been obviously wrong. Not even defensibly wrong because you made the wrong decision based off incomplete information or someone fucked up hard but 100% the opposite of what you should be doing. Even the random fed presence in Portland is spooking even moderate conservatives because the idea of unmarked feds running around nabbing people off the street is legitimately terrifying. The only people who think this is cool and normal are qanon type idiots.
 
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