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US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.
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Rallying behind statues is going to be even less effective than rallying behind the caravan before the midterms, and that strategy helped give us 40 house seats.
50-64 is still mostly boomers.
EDIT: beaten.
Yes, this is the Reagan demo. I'm in it (53). All I can say is a lot of my conservative high school classmates got a lot more liberal as they aged.
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Do you all ever catch yourselves thinking about what if the unthinkable happens in November? I actually try to envision it so that I can be somewhat mentally prepared for the fuckery. If we could take the Senate, at least that would provide some sort of check on pig vomit.
People aged 56-65 are actually still boomers. I think the poll should change the age brackets slightly.
NGL, i'd probably not look at any news, off topic discussions or any type of OT like this if Trump wins again, at least for a while.
Unlike 2016 I am mentally prepared this time in case he somehow steals the election one more time. One of the hard lessons from 2016 I guess. I couldn't even think of Trump winning back then and treated him like the clown he was up until Pennsylvania was called and he won. I didn't post on era for months from the aftershock to my brain. You most definitely should be mentally prepared for your own sanity's sake.
fyi if Trump is winning 2020 he is not losing the Senate. It will be hardfought to keep the House in that scenario.
If Reagan were to run today, he'd immediately be labeled as a Romney-esque traitor by the Trumpers. That is NOT to downplay the horrible, horrible shit Reagan did, but more to point just how completely batshit the GoP has gotten that they would reject a man whom most of them consider to be only one notch below Jesus Christ (and maybe even above him, I don't know).
I am legitimately leaving the USA if Trump wins again. I've already decided on it. I seriously hope it doesn't happen, but I gotta be realistic and think there is a chance. He's already been caught trying to get other countries to help. No telling what is going on right now that we don't know about. After all the damage he's done in the last 3 1/2 years there's no way the USA withstands another 4 years.
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I'm calm. Just stating the reality of the situation. I'm staying pretty positive that he will lose in November though.
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I don't see how Trump has a path to the nomination in the current climate. Feels like Dems should be able to keep the House and get the Senate and Presidency. Something really wrong would have to happen in the next 3-4 months for him to win
Inside the Plot to Kill the Open Technology Fund
This U.S. program provides encryption technologies to journalists and activists living under repressive regimes. But a Trump appointee wants to tear it all down.
www.vice.com
The government and the media pretending we don't fund Tor and Signal is the funniest shit ever.
I think we at least admitting Signal now?
This was the worst kept secret ever, and I think if you want to do that shit, do it in the open.
Oh and fuck all those radio free whatever, shut that cold war garbage down. Or put Seb Gorka in charge like you promised. I can use some comedy.
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someone in the White House probably said awhile ago that his best path to winning is for Biden to get corona and he went with it.
pikachumildlysurprised.bmpInside the Plot to Kill the Open Technology Fund
This U.S. program provides encryption technologies to journalists and activists living under repressive regimes. But a Trump appointee wants to tear it all down.
The government and the media pretending we don't fund Tor and Signal is the funniest shit ever.
I think we at least admitting Signal now?
This was the worst kept secret ever, and I think if you want to do that shit, do it in the open.
Oh and fuck all those radio free whatever, shut that cold war garbage down. Or put Seb Gorka in charge like you promised. I can use some comedy.
Seems like we are on a path to a Biden landslide between prolonged pandemic and anti-BLM double/triple down on top of a slew of unfulfilled promises and damage caused.
Individual "minor" scandals aren't going to change much. The only things that seem like they could turn things upside down further would be Trump resigning/not running, Trump or Biden dying or being hospitalized, a major terrorist attack, an assassination attempt, or an act of war by someone like Iran. Those all seem unlikely but individually might be heavy enough to throw a big wrench of uncertainty into the works. And I think we are already deep into territory where convention and precedent can't shine much light on what is to come.
While you can rationalize away the benefit to the GOP for most of these, I think there a possibility that some of these events would give moderates and Republican voters enough of an excuse to "forget the past" and rally behind Trump or the Republican nominee. Whether that outweighs the damage of what is happening who knows.
I've been following American politics since 2004 when Bush got re-elected, and every election (or associated primaries) seems to set a new bar for craziness. Surely it can't get crazier. And then it does. What will make this cycle even crazier than it already seems to be is no matter the outcome of the election, I think the reaction from the losing side will be "bad".
Kyle Kondik @kkondik
Truly persuadable voters not only were not watching a presidential speech late on the Friday of a holiday weekend, but may not even be aware that such speech took place
7:51 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Truly persuadable voters not only were not watching a presidential speech late on the Friday of a holiday weekend, but may not even be aware that such speech took place
7:51 AM · Jul 4, 2020
That was my first thought. I am sure his base totally missed it
His base has been slamming Natty Lights, grilling out, and shooting off fireworks for the past 3 or 4 days and they have at least another 2 or 3 day supply remaining.
Back to the classics; Biden is a Nancy Pelosi Liberal. Remember when the 'squad' was supposed to be the face of the Dem party or something?
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newtgingrich @newtgingrich
Several people have tweeted asking how I could be afraid of Joe Biden. I am not. I AM afraid of the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer machine that would emerge if the Democrats won the White House, House and Senate. Precisely because Biden is weak he would be dominated by Pelosi and Schumer.
2:33 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Alex Burns @alexburnsNYT
I doubt this is what Newt intends, but this seems more like an early version of a Sept-Oct argument for keeping the Republican Senate to hold back President Biden, than for re-electing Trump
"Biden isn't scary, but total Dem control is" is an argument for electing Republicans, but it's not really an argument for re-electing Trump ...
8:28 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Several people have tweeted asking how I could be afraid of Joe Biden. I am not. I AM afraid of the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer machine that would emerge if the Democrats won the White House, House and Senate. Precisely because Biden is weak he would be dominated by Pelosi and Schumer.
2:33 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Alex Burns @alexburnsNYT
I doubt this is what Newt intends, but this seems more like an early version of a Sept-Oct argument for keeping the Republican Senate to hold back President Biden, than for re-electing Trump
"Biden isn't scary, but total Dem control is" is an argument for electing Republicans, but it's not really an argument for re-electing Trump ...
8:28 AM · Jul 4, 2020
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Trump's last few pieces of election "ammo" are the Durham probe, trying to take credit for a COVID cure, and potential Supreme Court shenanigans.
US police did a good job destroying his "unruly mob" portrayal.
Shit like this obviously doesn't help.
US police did a good job destroying his "unruly mob" portrayal.
Steve Hotze left a voicemail for Texas Gov. Greg Abbott asking him to order rioters be killed
The Texas Tribune obtained the voicemail Friday via a public information request
https://t.co/gRJwy7ihaY
The Texas Tribune obtained the voicemail Friday via a public information request
https://t.co/gRJwy7ihaY
Shit like this obviously doesn't help.
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Some more Cornyn:
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Donald hasn't tweeted yet.
Edit: Barry:
Joe Biden @JoeBiden
Our nation was founded on a simple idea: We're all created equal. We've never lived up to it — but we've never stopped trying. This Independence Day, let's not just celebrate those words, let's commit to finally fulfill them. Happy #FourthOfJuly!
10:00 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Our nation was founded on a simple idea: We're all created equal. We've never lived up to it — but we've never stopped trying. This Independence Day, let's not just celebrate those words, let's commit to finally fulfill them. Happy #FourthOfJuly!
10:00 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Donald hasn't tweeted yet.
Edit: Barry:
Barack Obama @BarackObama
Our founding promise has never been guaranteed. Each generation has been called to bring us a little closer to our highest ideals—and history's calling on us right now. So let's all do whatever we can to help @JoeBiden expand that promise to all Americans.
10:35 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Our founding promise has never been guaranteed. Each generation has been called to bring us a little closer to our highest ideals—and history's calling on us right now. So let's all do whatever we can to help @JoeBiden expand that promise to all Americans.
10:35 AM · Jul 4, 2020
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Some more Cornyn:
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Oh great. A preview of the conservative media misunderstanding Hamilton in the same way stupid people act like Blazing Saddles was just this ode to being able to freely say the N-word. Could that movie have been made today? Easily, with some modification. As with literally every piece of media that's older than like, ten years.
Lin-Manuel doesn't really deify the founding fathers in Hamilton, except for Washington - I'm sure if that show had been written today, he would have done more to deliberately paint Washington as a flawed individual. On the flip side, the show makes complete villains out of Jefferson and Burr... because they kind of were. And Hamilton himself is sympathetic but constantly screws up.
But that all gets away from the underlying theme which is LMM appropriating these historical figures and relating their stories to the struggles of current minorities. For Christ's sake, Hamilton is an immigrant, and the show does not hold back in beating you over the head with this ("immigrants, we get the job done"). Seeing crotchety old fucks like Cornyn try and own it after spending the first few years wrapped up in white fragility (remember, this is the show Trump declared "overrated" because they took the time to tell his VP not to fuck it up - advice he did not heed) at the idea that this Puerto Rican was making the Founders black, miss me with that shit.
I would really believe for anyone else that they were trying to lose the election at this point and keep going into their base for their eventual television endeavor, but it's Trump, so I know he's so stupid that he legitimately thinks he's uniting the country by being racist as fuck somehow.
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www.cnn.com
(((Harry Enten))) @ForecasterEnten
"GOP internal polling signals a Democratic rout." The GOP has released 0 district polls conducted since April. Dems have released 17. Historically, the difference between # of polls put out by each party is HIGHLY correlated with November's result.
What's fascinating is that before the coronavirus hit, the GOP was putting out more polling... So the timing lines up very well with the public numbers of when Trump's approval started a mostly unabated decline over the last 3 months.
The type of advantage Democrats are having in released internal polling over the past 3 months looks a heck of a lot like 2018... which turned out to be a rout.
11:05 AM · Jul 4, 2020
"GOP internal polling signals a Democratic rout." The GOP has released 0 district polls conducted since April. Dems have released 17. Historically, the difference between # of polls put out by each party is HIGHLY correlated with November's result.
What's fascinating is that before the coronavirus hit, the GOP was putting out more polling... So the timing lines up very well with the public numbers of when Trump's approval started a mostly unabated decline over the last 3 months.
The type of advantage Democrats are having in released internal polling over the past 3 months looks a heck of a lot like 2018... which turned out to be a rout.
11:05 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Republican internal polling signals a Democratic rout
Whenever I hear an operative complain about public polling, I have just one thing to say: Put up or shut up. Release your own numbers that show the race in a different place than the public polling, or let the public polling stand. This is especially true in House races, where public polling is...
www.cnn.com
For Republicans, something needs to change or they're going to get blown out come November.
Obama and Joe get it. What should make America great is the ability of citizens to acknowledge its' past flaws and work toward the ideals the founders laid out even if they themselves where hypocrites and failed miserably to do so in multiple areas.
Trump's MAGA slogan has always infuriated me because of this. It's obviously targeted at the white, straight, christian, demographic, since it's only within the last decade we have started to make serious progress for minorities in multiple areas, such as establishing basic rights for the LGBTQ community. It reeks of ignorance, selfishness and malice to want to go back to a prior time time period.
I can't say I've felt much like celebrating the 4th of July these last couple of years with how the country has been acting, but I am sincerely hoping next year will be different. I wish everyone who does feel up to celebrating to have a happy 4th though. Stay safe out there and please follow proper social distancing procedures.
If only there was a way to figure out what the public and critical response would have been to a musical like Hamilton in 2020.
One can dream...
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Joking aside, while I doubt it will get canceled or anything, I do think that Hamilton, like pretty much all "america fuck yeah!" stuff will be reevaluated in the future.
Back to the classics; Biden is a Nancy Pelosi Liberal. Remember when the 'squad' was supposed to be the face of the Dem party or something?
newtgingrich @newtgingrich
Several people have tweeted asking how I could be afraid of Joe Biden. I am not. I AM afraid of the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer machine that would emerge if the Democrats won the White House, House and Senate. Precisely because Biden is weak he would be dominated by Pelosi and Schumer.
2:33 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Alex Burns @alexburnsNYT
I doubt this is what Newt intends, but this seems more like an early version of a Sept-Oct argument for keeping the Republican Senate to hold back President Biden, than for re-electing Trump
"Biden isn't scary, but total Dem control is" is an argument for electing Republicans, but it's not really an argument for re-electing Trump ...
8:28 AM · Jul 4, 2020
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Biden is so generic that even his sworn enemies are like "ehh I have a beer with him"
Never mind that Blazing Saddles' mockery of racist types would have conservatives up in arms furious that it was persecuting them if it was released today.
Actually they love that it's said and done so openly, and wish more would have the balls
They might say that but I don't believe them, conservatives are the most sensitive "all mouth and no trousers" types out there. They can't take even a second of mockery.
Honestly, I dunno what the point of that National Review article is getting at beyond the writer being incredibly upset that people are questioning the portrayal of the "founding fathers" in the musical. Its written like a review of the recorded release that's a result of the coronavirus but 3/4 of it is a guy pouring out nothing but grievance and salt.
Country Music Television used to run Blazing Saddles here and there. I bet they totally put it on for the message.
Hamilton throws mountains of shade on the founding fathers' treatment of black Americans and specifically Jefferson's slave ownership. It's not subtle.
Vaughn Hillyard @VaughnHillyard
Good morning from Prescott, AZ, where the independent spirit roars on after 250 Arizonans were reported dead from COVID this week. It's only 9am ~ the Frontier Days festival & Prescott Rodeo will be in high gear today. To note, no mask ordinance in Prescott or Yavapai County.
12:32 PM · Jul 4, 2020
Vaughn Hillyard @VaughnHillyard
Today in AZ, a record number of hospitalizations & ICU beds in use. Percent positive rate is down — at 24.3% (still very high). 2,695 new cases. 17 more Arizonans have passed.
11:31 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Good morning from Prescott, AZ, where the independent spirit roars on after 250 Arizonans were reported dead from COVID this week. It's only 9am ~ the Frontier Days festival & Prescott Rodeo will be in high gear today. To note, no mask ordinance in Prescott or Yavapai County.
12:32 PM · Jul 4, 2020
Vaughn Hillyard @VaughnHillyard
Today in AZ, a record number of hospitalizations & ICU beds in use. Percent positive rate is down — at 24.3% (still very high). 2,695 new cases. 17 more Arizonans have passed.
11:31 AM · Jul 4, 2020
Get out is way more biting than Blazing Saddles, but it not being more cartoonish causes it to go over folks heads
Even with mortality numbers being massaged and tabulated as pneumonia, I would have to imagine that American (and most of the Western Hemisphere's) life expectancy numbers are going to take a hit in the long run.
Economic despondency isn't going to help much either.
Economic despondency isn't going to help much either.
Same here... My wife and I are pretty serious about moving I'm November if it goes sideways - that includes moving my 4 children. A Trump win would be an unbridled disaster and that's not hyperbole.
His fat ass is straight up going to say "I know black people better than Obama" before his term is through.
HIS racial animus? Fucking spare me. The GOP has full on embraced racism for the last 50 years and it's always infuriating when dipshits in the media try to pretend that's not the case with their context-less narratives.
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