US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.

Pall Mall · Jun 28, 2020

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Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?

Though I definitely don't think it will happen, I honestly think Pence as a generic Republican would do the opposite of tighten the race. Maybe never Trumpers move back but a ton of people who only care for Trump personally probably just wouldn't vote.

MrHedin · Jun 28, 2020

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Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?

Pence has less appeal than a generic Republican, his only real base is evangelicals.

phisheep · Jun 28, 2020

UnknownSpirit said:
I don't see the GOP abandoing Trump. But holy shit if they do, they are going to have to throw together a new candidate fast.

It'll be Hannity. It's always Hannity.

XMonkey · Jun 28, 2020

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Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?

No. The Republican Party is the Trump Party. Their core voters don't want to vote for a "generic Republican" anymore.

Sign My Guestbook! · Jun 28, 2020

Cleros said:
Though I definitely don't think it will happen, I honestly think Pence as a generic Republican would do the opposite of tighten the race.

But a lot of people are aiming to vote for Biden not because he is Biden, but because he is Not Trump. If Trump drops out, both candidates are Not Trump and that's gotta change the chemistry of it.

ratcliffja · Jun 28, 2020

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Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?

Republicans care about Trump. Democrats and Independents care about somebody getting us out of Trump's mess. Nobody likes Pence for anything other than being a Trump lackey.

Digital Dinosaur · Jun 28, 2020

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Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?

Pence continually mumbling his way through dealing with coronavirus cannot look appealing to independents. On the other hand there is the classic reasoning that too many independents are just embarrassed republicans looking for any excuse.

XMonkey · Jun 28, 2020

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But a lot of people are aiming to vote for Biden not because he is Biden, but because he is Not Trump. If Trump drops out, both candidates are Not Trump and that's gotta change the chemistry of it.

The amount of people who would have voted for Biden, but would flip to Pence are probably minuscule compared to the amount of Republicans who just wouldn't show up at all if it's not Trump.

Sign My Guestbook! · Jun 28, 2020

XMonkey said:
The amount of people who would have voted for Biden, but would flip to Pence are probably minuscule compared to the amount of Republicans who just wouldn't show up at all if it's not Trump.

I do wonder, though... before Trump, the thought was "no matter what, at least it's not a Democrat"

peel back the years of Trump training, and maybe that's still what they are? fall back to old habits

Hopfrog · Jun 28, 2020

We posting rumors from Fox Business-types now? Trump is not dropping out, as much as we might like to think he might. If he does I will wear a Matt Gaetz avatar for six months, that is how confident I am that he won't.

shiba5 · Jun 28, 2020

Greg NYC3 said:
If it weren't for the legal jeopardy he will almost certainly be in the moment he no longer has the shield of the presidency I actually do think that Trump would declare "Mission Accomplished! America is Great Again!!!" and claim that he's so good at presidenting he only needed 4 years to do it.

A wave of his red cap and he'd be gone.

As long as we're fantasizing, it would make me really happy to wake up one morning to find out he absconded in the middle of the night to Russia.

Hopfrog said:
We posting rumors from Fox Business-types now? Trump is not dropping out, as much as we might like to think he might. If he does I will wear a Matt Gaetz avatar for six months, that is how confident I am that he won't.

I really want this to happen.

XMonkey · Jun 28, 2020

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I do wonder, though... before Trump, the thought was "no matter what, at least it's not a Democrat"

peel back the years of Trump training, and maybe that's still what they are? fall back to old habits

I don't know if it's possible to convince a large enough number of them to go back. They believe they're losing their privileged white national/cultural identity and that's not an easy thing to just accept and turn around on.

I think the impact that conservative media has had on propagandizing these people is hard to grasp. It's basically taken over any sort of rational independent thought process and mentally they operate in a reality that's almost entirely devoid of objective truths. We aren't being facetious when we say it's a cult.

Hopfrog · Jun 28, 2020

shiba5 said:
As long as we're fantasizing, it would make me really happy to wake up one morning to find out he absconded in the middle of the night to Russia.

I really want this to happen.

If Trump dropped out it would be an utter catastrophe for the GOP in November. MAGA-heads would scream conspiracy and stay home, and the rump of the party left would get utterly blown out. It would be glorious and I would gladly rock that idiot's mug to see that happen.

Greigor the FellHand · Jun 28, 2020

also.

if trump dropped out, it would crater the gop voting base.

shiba5 · Jun 28, 2020

Hopfrog said:
If Trump dropped out it would be an utter catastrophe for the GOP in November. MAGA-heads would scream conspiracy and stay home, and the rump of the party left would get utterly blown out. It would be glorious and I would gladly rock that idiot's mug to see that happen.

If it happens, you're allowed to use his DUI mugshot.

MetalMagus · Jun 28, 2020

shiba5 said:
As long as we're fantasizing, it would make me really happy to wake up one morning to find out he absconded in the middle of the night to Russia.

As much as it makes sense for this to happen if Trump is even half into as much debt and kompromat that we suspect - I have to believe that even when things are looking catastrophic for Trump he just assumes the same thing that always happens will happen again..

He'll bail and move one, threaten to sue anyone who speaks up about him, invest in some other thing, shmooze as many people as possible that they still have something to gain by aligning with him. Free of any consequences, keeping the grift alive.

I have to hope, however, that this time he's flown too close to the sun.

Sandfox · Jun 28, 2020

Hopfrog · Jun 28, 2020

shiba5 said:
If it happens, you're allowed to use his DUI mugshot.

Oh, you mean this one?

Was already planning on it.

shiba5 · Jun 28, 2020

The bots were trying out "Creepy Joe" very early this morning. It didn't go well.

jiggle · Jun 28, 2020

The nickname thing is so fucking juvenile

XMonkey · Jun 28, 2020

Corrupt Joe? Come on Donald, that can't be the best you got.

Sign My Guestbook! · Jun 28, 2020

Sandfox said:

As if he's got the inside scoop on the guy. Just trying old shit because it seemed to work before. That's been his entire stint against Biden.

chainlinkspiral · Jun 28, 2020

This is some shit.

ICYMI: In a new rule announced Thursday, Betsy DeVos signaled she is standing firm on her intention to reroute millions of dollars in coronavirus aid money to K-12 private school students.

Hopfrog · Jun 28, 2020

"Sleepy Joe" doesn't work because it just lowers expectations for Biden that he will inevitably exceed when people realize that he is not some senile fool. "Corrupt Joe" doesn't work because nobody thinks Biden is corrupt and they got caught trying to dirty him with Burisma. "Creepy Joe" doesn't work because it just raises comparisons to Trump's many sexual assault accusations. If this is the best they got then they are in an even worse position than I thought.

For comparison, "Crooked Hillary" worked for him because it just took what many people already thought about her and put a name to it.

steveovig · Jun 28, 2020

Why isn't he just Sloppy Joe? It writes itself.

Piston · Jun 28, 2020

steveovig said:
Why isn't he just Sloppy Joe? It writes itself.

Many people love Sloppy Joe's, they are an American staple!

ratcliffja · Jun 28, 2020

Piston said:
Many people love Sloppy Joe's, they are an American staple!

Honestly there are far too many American icons named Joe. Sloppy Joe, GI Joe, Joe DiMaggio, Joe Namath... it's hard to come up with negative connotations to his name.

EvilChameleon · Jun 28, 2020

I get emails:

cameron · Jun 28, 2020

Sheepinator · Jun 28, 2020

ratcliffja · Jun 28, 2020

Sheepinator said:
Jim Jordan.

That's Jim, not Joe, and anybody who doesn't like him probably wouldn't vote for Trump anyway.

Sheepinator · Jun 28, 2020

ratcliffja said:
That's Jim, not Joe, and anybody who doesn't like him probably wouldn't vote for Trump anyway.

You're right. Brain freeze.

shiba5 · Jun 28, 2020

A sloppy joe would make a better President.

KimonoNoNo · Jun 28, 2020

Well there's this character on Teen Titans called "Sticky Joe".

Whitemex · Jun 28, 2020

KimonoNoNo said:
Well there's this character on Teen Titans called "Sticky Joe".

HOWDY!!!!

JohnsonUT · Jun 28, 2020

cameron said:

Do we know who at the Lincoln Project is doing the actual work of making these videos? Is it an ad firm or art students or what? It is actually scary how effective they are compared to 99% of other political ads. I get that there is a freedom from attacking from the sideline, but other PACs don't bring the same kind of fire.

Chaos Legion · Jun 28, 2020

JohnsonUT said:
Do we know who at the Lincoln Project is doing the actual work of making these videos? Is it an ad firm or art students or what? It is actually scary how effective they are compared to 99% of other political ads. I get that there is a freedom from attacking from the sideline, but other PACs don't bring the same kind of fire.

Chikor · Jun 28, 2020

GrapeApes said:
Employed Man, Jason Kander.

This is not the Jason Kander I've known.
I can't bare to look at him like that...

KimonoNoNo · Jun 28, 2020

Whitemex said:
HOWDY!!!!

I see you're a fine connoisseur of fart jokes and waffles.

Royalan · Jun 28, 2020

JohnsonUT said:
Do we know who at the Lincoln Project is doing the actual work of making these videos? Is it an ad firm or art students or what? It is actually scary how effective they are compared to 99% of other political ads. I get that there is a freedom from attacking from the sideline, but other PACs don't bring the same kind of fire.

I appreciate The Lincoln Project...but I also have my third open to what might be coming down the pike should Dems take back control.

That being said, they do make you wonder why Dems don't have a rapid response team for shit like this. And THAT makes me wonder what happened to Hillary's media people. Folks forget that her online response team was actually really good at this, too.

BoboBrazil · Jun 28, 2020

Jabronie Joe

Royalan said:
I appreciate The Lincoln Project...but I also have my third open to what might be coming down the pike should Dems take back control.

That being said, they do make you wonder why Dems don't have a rapid response team for shit like this. And THAT makes me wonder what happened to Hillary's media people. Folks forget that her online response team was actually really good at this, too.

Biden's social team seems pretty bad. Biden chose Beto's campaign manager too and she did so badly I can't figure out why Biden chose her. It also seems like Biden hasn't built out a nationwide state by state apparatus yet. It's pretty concerning

cameron · Jun 28, 2020

I don't believe childish nicknames created by Donald have ever been effective in swaying voter perception of a candidate in a meaningful way. The efficacy of nicknames seem like something attributed after the fact to Trump's 2016 campaign success by pundits. Voters who disliked Hillary don't need Donald to say anything to remind them of that.

If Biden started using childish nicknames, I'd bet he'd turn off a segment of voters and punditry would accurately make note of this as a campaign misstep.

Anyway, here's Erick Erickson:

Erick Erickson @EWErickson

Any attacks the President's team was planning on Joe Biden regarding race and Biden's old comments died on June 28, 2020, when the President retweeted a video of a man chanting "white power."

12:44 PM · Jun 28, 2020

Asma Khalid @asmamk

I love folks acting as if this is a dramatic, clutch-your-pearls type of turning point when it's the exact same type of rhetoric we've seen dozens of times before.

4:20 PM · Jun 28, 2020

Royalan · Jun 28, 2020

BoboBrazil said:
Jabronie Joe

Biden's social team seems pretty bad. Biden chose Beto's campaign manager too and she did so badly I can't figure out why Biden chose her. It also seems like Biden hasn't built out a nationwide state by state apparatus yet. It's pretty concerning

I actually think Jen O'Malley Dillon is a good hire. I'm just wondering when the campaign is going to start flexing all the COIN they've been bringing in.

I suspect they're waiting until a VP has been selected?

shadow_shogun · Jun 28, 2020

@kylegriffin1
During a zoom fundraiser, Obama expressed outrage at Trump's use of "kung flu". "I don't want a country in which the president of the U.S. is actively trying to promote anti-Asian sentiment and thinks it's funny ... That still shocks and pisses me off."

How the Trump Campaign Is Drawing Obama Out of Retirement

BoboBrazil · Jun 28, 2020

Royalan said:
I actually think Jen O'Malley Dillon is a good hire. I'm just wondering when the campaign is going to start flexing all the COIN they've been bringing in.

I suspect they're waiting until a VP has been selected?

Could be. I know covid has messed everything up too so this won't be a typical election, but would be nice to see him spending some money

thefro · Jun 28, 2020

BoboBrazil said:
Could be. I know covid has messed everything up too so this won't be a typical election, but would be nice to see him spending some money

They're staffing up right now. They also had the $15 million ad buy recently in swing states.

Deleted member 4090 · Jun 28, 2020

BoboBrazil said:
Jabronie Joe

Biden's social team seems pretty bad. Biden chose Beto's campaign manager too and she did so badly I can't figure out why Biden chose her. It also seems like Biden hasn't built out a nationwide state by state apparatus yet. It's pretty concerning

Being employed by a losing team doesn't make somebody bad. See: Simone Sanders. Biden's team liked what he saw and hired her.

cameron · Jun 28, 2020

Brian Schatz @brianschatz

Maybe the Governor can go there for his apology.

Nate Lerner @NathanLerner

Florida has more new COVID-19 cases than all of Europe.

12:53 PM · Jun 28, 2020

7:48 PM · Jun 28, 2020

KG · Jun 28, 2020

chainlinkspiral said:
This is some shit.

I hate this woman so so much. I hope the next admin is able to reverse everything this devil has done.

Drakeon · Jun 28, 2020

KG said:
I hate this woman so so much. I hope the next admin is able to reverse everything this devil has done.

As much as I hate her, epa might be the one that is in the worst shape. So much fucking damage in 4 years done to the climate, water, air pollution, you name it. Easy to forget about now that the hilariously incompetent corrupt fuckwit, Scott Pruitt, is gone.

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