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US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.
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State lines enforce patterns that make these sometimes unintuitive*. For CT and RI, I think it's just the fact that they're smaller states surrounded by states with bigger metro areas taking things very seriously.
*EG "Chicago has strict gun laws but lots of gun violence!" Right, but Indiana is right next to it with barely any gun laws. Doing a map via state lines hides that point.
I had no idea she was so involved in the fight.
Raises my opinion of her a lot
Same. It's unfortunate her campaign did such a bad job at showing who she is. Kamala is going to be a great VP.
1) Where are you two seeing that Warren isn't a plus with any demographic, that she's a liability and damaged? None of the polls that I've seen posted here has hinted at that. It's usually the opposite: that Warren is pretty well-liked by everyone (well, expect for Republicans i guess). I mean there has to be a reason that she's lasted this long. Like, Antrax, you pointed at that you didn't expect Biden to be pulling in such numbers... well, I would say that might be a case of online not reflecting the real world (no one or very few people that I've seen on ERA/Reddit likes Biden, but that clearly didn't represent the real world). The same could be true of Warren.
i.e. NBC News just posted an article that suggests Black support is divided between Warren and Harris (i.e. do they want two old, white people?). You can argue until you are blue that Warren isn't really that progressive/that Harris is more progressive, but I've yet to see any polling to suggest that people are seeing that.
2) She was only attacked by the vocal online Bernie Supporters (i.e. Bernie Bros and Rose Twitter). I wouldn't pay any mind to them as they attacked anyone they saw as a threat. IIRC, the vast majority of supporters (who weren't Bernie Bros/Rose Twitter types) like Warren and still had her as second choice. She seems to have their support as VP based on the polling that I've seen posted.
Overall, though, I think I agree with whoever pointed out earlier (there were several I believe), that there really isn't a bad, Tim Kaine type pick (at least now that Klobuchar is gone). It's just this notion that Warren isn't like/doesn't do anything hasn't been supported by the polling that I've seen.
IIRC, the Ted Kennedy/Scott Brown thing has been shown to be one of the last reasons not to choose Warren - that the circumstances that led to it just wouldn't happen today. I believe part of it is the fact that the democrats have a veto-proof super majority to over rule the governor's pick to replace Warren until an election, I might be wrong about that and there might be more to it. I think someone (Aaron?) had pointed it out earlier in the thread somewhere.
Hey, I'm not one of those Rose Twitter bubble people. But I just do not see a world where Liz Warren is cool with the olds, white people, and men. I knew Biden polled well in the primaries, but it really is unbelievable the extent that he's polling well with certain demographics.
To me it feels like any old run of the mill Trump scandal that has grave national security implications and is forgotten about in 48 hours. I'd be shocked if we're still talking about it by Wednesday.
I think it really depends on how tomorrow goes. If the first weekday since the story broke is dominated by this story, it may get some traction. If the news media pushes it hard, and especially if the White House responds poorly and loudly, the story could find an audience. Trump is at his most vulnerable, there's blood in the water so the environment around this story is ripe for it to stick. Unlike any other time in the last 3 years, the full scope of the admins scandals seem to be weighing on people. This is beginning to feel like Bush in 06, the bottom is falling out.
To the degree that Biden is. He's polling unbelievably well with white voters compared to previous elections.
I just don't see how those demographics above are hyped for Warren.
Oh I see, I read it as she wasn't well received by white people and was very confused.
Trump keeps playing into the soul of the nation angle that's the cornerstone of Biden's campaign. Might be better than I originally thought.
Trump is literally the living embodiment of the immoral and corrupt side of America. By his nature, anything he does plays to an opponent beseeching people to prove America is the good guy and not the bad guy.
And as Trump gets desperate, the only thing he can do behave in an even more Trump-like fashion.
And as Trump gets desperate, the only thing he can do behave in an even more Trump-like fashion.
Anyway, I've always wondered if it got bad enough if Trump would run away. Narcissists can't take a beating and they will quit if it looks like one is inevitable - all the while claiming victory.
If FOX is saying this then watch for some excuse why "we don't deserve him". I doubt it will be health reasons because Trump is too narcissistic to use that excuse.
"Tonight I interview the front half of a centaur about what made America great (past tense)."
I don't see the GOP abandoing Trump. But holy shit if they do, they are going to have to throw together a new candidate fast.
Who are they gonna run if that happened? Pence? Lmao it would be even more of a blowout
Dropping out, hmmm, and what happens to the hundreds of millions in donor money he has taken since day one? He's already grifted millions from it.
On November 12, 2012, Colbert announced his intention to dissolve Colbert Super PAC, citing the death of his fictional advisor "Ham Rove", a parody of Karl Rove.[43] Colbert reported that the Super PAC still had nearly $800,000 in funds. Colbert's lawyer, Trevor Potter, advised Stephen that he could form a second anonymous 501(c)(4), then make out a check with the remaining funds to his first 501(c)(4) along with an Agency Letter which instructed the original 501(c)(4) to pay those funds to the second 501(c)(4) and give dispersal instructions to that second 501(c)(4). In doing so, he could avoid telling anyone - even the IRS - where the money went.[44]
On December 13, 2012, Colbert reported that a nonprofit called the "Ham Rove Memorial Foundation," which Colbert was "surprised" he was on the board of, received a donation of $773,704.83, which was the amount that was left over from the Super PAC according to termination reports filed with the FEC.
On November 12, 2012, Colbert announced his intention to dissolve Colbert Super PAC, citing the death of his fictional advisor "Ham Rove", a parody of Karl Rove.[43] Colbert reported that the Super PAC still had nearly $800,000 in funds. Colbert's lawyer, Trevor Potter, advised Stephen that he could form a second anonymous 501(c)(4), then make out a check with the remaining funds to his first 501(c)(4) along with an Agency Letter which instructed the original 501(c)(4) to pay those funds to the second 501(c)(4) and give dispersal instructions to that second 501(c)(4). In doing so, he could avoid telling anyone - even the IRS - where the money went.[44]
On December 13, 2012, Colbert reported that a nonprofit called the "Ham Rove Memorial Foundation," which Colbert was "surprised" he was on the board of, received a donation of $773,704.83, which was the amount that was left over from the Super PAC according to termination reports filed with the FEC.
This guy is always full of shit. I wish there was a way to block specific Twitter profiles on this website.
If Trump drops out, it won't be because the GOP want him to. Him dropping out would depress Republican turnout even more. I think it's very, very unlikely to happen, especially because he could face criminal charges when he's out of office.
If Trump has no say, Romney would probably match up against Biden pretty well.
I wish. Wouldn't this completely torpedo their chances of winning anything in November?.
I think he's too destructive and shameless to resign, but as a narcissist, he must be a seething ball of pure rage by now. There is no bottom and if he continues to sink in the polls, he'll act out even worse.
Edit: Oh and he's back from golf with Lindsey so we'll have some more rage tweeting soon.
GOP well is poisoned, though. The MAGA vote hates Romney. He'd have no real shot at driving turnout. He might gain some non-outwardly racist and "decent" Republicans back from Biden, but I don't think it would offset losing much of the MAGA vote.
The guy who already lost once and has voted to impeach Trump is going to be dead on arrival with their base. He would do worse than Trump.
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if trump drops it will crater GoP voter turn out, even more so than it is now.
Maybe, but can't think of anyone else with near universal name recognition. Cruz? Jeb? Kasich?
It's improbable, I don't even know what the GOP would do with how they've tangled themselves around Trump.
Shout out to Jason Kander!
In the incredibly unlikely scenario that Trump and Pence aren't on the ticket, they would probably go with somebody who has no presidential aspirations but is on board with the base that would turn out for Senate races, knowing that they had no shot at the presidency. For the same reason as Romney, they wouldn't go with Jeb since he's not big into Trump. I could see Cruz or Rubio potentially bite the bullet if they're resigned to never running for president again.
Even if Trump were convinced to drop out during a more self-reflective moment (LOL), it wouldn't last and he'd spend the rest of the time until the election making up conspiracy theories about how he was pushed out by nefarious forces. If he can't beat Biden, he sure as hell isn't going to let some savior (Pence, Romney, anyone) swoop in and beat him either because that would place that person above him.
Trump considers one-term presidents losers. There's no way he'll willingly allow himself to have that label slapped onto him.
Trump considers one-term presidents losers. There's no way he'll willingly allow himself to have that label slapped onto him.
Those GOP operatives are just talking shit and wishing they had an out from the transparent and overt evil shittiness of Trump that is threatening their ability to enact their awful agenda. It's also their way of distracting from their own complicity by putting the onus on fixing the GOP's position solely on Trump.
Ah yes, crystallizing the GOP as the obnoxious frat-boy party.
I don't know who he is, but the fact that he's even hinting at it is hilarious. "please, please resign."
If it weren't for the legal jeopardy he will almost certainly be in the moment he no longer has the shield of the presidency I actually do think that Trump would declare "Mission Accomplished! America is Great Again!!!" and claim that he's so good at presidenting he only needed 4 years to do it.
A wave of his red cap and he'd be gone.
If Trump decides not to run, at what point would the GOP not even be allowed to add a new candidates name to the ballot, forcing them into a write in only situation? Assume it's probably a state by state thing?
Thought that kinda worries me: If Trump does drop out, does Pence become a "generic Republican" and seriously tighten the race?
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