US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.

Scottt · Jun 25, 2020

i like big butts said:
That's a good question, is it within 10 points?

It's hard to say. Y2 Analytics (B/C rated on 538) had a May 26 poll of Biden 41-Trump 44 and April 13 poll of Biden 41-Trump 46. But between those, Hinckley and Deseret News have an April 29 poll of Biden 31-Trump 51. I think it'll end up being pretty juicy though.

Slayven · Jun 25, 2020

plagiarize said:
No... Wait... Surely that's impossible! Tucker, you're supposed to lie to me!

I thought Rass polls were suppose to be the secret message to trump

Ithil · Jun 25, 2020

I also have to laugh at the inanity of that chyron. "In this binary choice between two things, one of the two things might lose!". No shit.

kcp12304 · Jun 25, 2020

It's the Pandemic Stupid

BronzeWolf · Jun 25, 2020

cameron said:

"Fellow idiots, this is for real."

EvilChameleon · Jun 25, 2020

cameron said:

Tucker looks excited at the mere prospect of Trump losing!

Slayven · Jun 25, 2020

EvilChameleon said:
Tucker looks excited at the mere prospect of Trump losing!

A dem in the whitehouse always good for business on the right. Fox would not have the power it does if we had 2 terms of President Mccain

TheHunter · Jun 25, 2020

Chikor said:
I think that while there are some similarities and shared goals, people like Mitch McConnel and Gavin McInnes (just as an example) believe in some different things and have very different sets of priorities.
I think those differences are at least as important as the similarities between them.

But I donno, do you want to talk about it or do you just want to state for the record that you disagree with me politically?
Because if so, cool, I am not terribly bothered by people not agreeing with me, but I don't think that's news at this point.

So you can afford nuance and layered takes for the GOP and their white nationalism apologia but Biden saying "Maduro kinda sucks" ruffles your jimmies.

less · Jun 25, 2020

That banner gonna piss Trump off soooo much. Meltdowns incoming.

thuway · Jun 25, 2020

TheHunter I remember when you clowned me for saying my family liked Biden in the debates. It's all love though Fam - :D, I'm glad we got a candidate whose handing out Ls to Republicans.

RolandGunner · Jun 25, 2020

BronzeWolf said:
"Fellow idiots, this is for real."

Haha, this is pointed right at the people at the Tulsa rally who were 100% sure that Biden was going to drop out before convention.

TheHunter · Jun 25, 2020

KidAAlbum said:
I don't see what's so offensive about working towards good goals. Are you understanding to what you're objecting to? For example, if there was a bipartisan effort to stop a war, you would say no because you fundamentally cannot bring yourself to work with someone you think is an awful person?

That's all that piece was about.

Don't play coy.

That article isn't talking about anything of the sort and I find it interesting the same types of people who say "don't work with Biden and pass public option/m4a light" also can say "But I'll work with Tucker Carlson to pass his "socialist" (read racist economic policy).

I for one cannot imagine why this faction continues to not succeed with moderates and other blocs along with preach "lets work with the WWC".

Soul Skater · Jun 25, 2020

less said:
That banner gonna piss Trump off soooo much. Meltdowns incoming.

Internally yeah. He'll throw some White House chairs

but he can't touch Tucker or publicly trash him and he knows it.

Poodlestrike · Jun 25, 2020

In the abstract, I understand the reasoning on that Intercept article. If you're willing to work with people like the Lincoln Project on unseating Trump, or other mainstream Republicans on other bipartisan priorities, why not work with non-mainstream Republicans on progressive priorities?

The difference is that while that all seems symmetrical on the surface, the simple fact of the matter is that the agreement you get on bipartisan initiatives generally is not really all that much like the agreement you get between the "populist right" and progressive priorities, because their support for those things is a fiction. They don't want it in any meaningful way, because their populism is a white, cis-male, straight, non-intersectional populism. It's about maintaining supremacy not class warfare. When they talk about "the elites" they mean intellectuals and Jews, not rich WASPs on Wall Street.

Put another way, that Intercept piece is, speaking charitably, somebody falling for the National Socialist label from the other direction.

TheHunter · Jun 25, 2020

Poodlestrike said:
In the abstract, I understand the reasoning on that Intercept article. If you're willing to work with people like the Lincoln Project on unseating Trump, or other mainstream Republicans on other bipartisan priorities, why not work with non-mainstream Republicans on progressive priorities?

The difference is that while that all seems symmetrical on the surface, the simple fact of the matter is that the agreement you get on bipartisan initiatives generally is not really all that much like the agreement you get between the "populist right" and progressive priorities, because their support for those things is a fiction. They don't want it in any meaningful way, because their populism is a white, cis-male, straight, non-intersectional populism. It's about maintaining supremacy not class warfare. When they talk about "the elites" they mean intellectuals and Jews, not rich WASPs on Wall Street.

Put another way, that Intercept piece is, speaking charitably, somebody falling for the National Socialist label from the other direction.

Working with the Lincoln project is stretching it. They're using their money to attack Trump. Great.

They wanna work with us on policy they can come to our table and do it. What Glen "TRUMP ISN'T SO BAD HILLARY THO" Greenwald is suggesting you and I both know will result in minorities getting the shaft.

Because that's what Tucker and the white power hour types want.

Poodlestrike · Jun 25, 2020

TheHunter said:
Working with the Lincoln project is stretching it. They're using their money to attack Trump. Great.

They wanna work with us on policy they can come to our table and do it. What Glen "TRUMP ISN'T SO BAD HILLARY THO" Greenwald is suggesting you and I both know will result in minorities getting the shaft.

Because that's what Tucker and the white power hour types want.

Yup, that's what I mean. Like I said, the similarity is superficial.

Chikor · Jun 25, 2020

TheHunter said:
So you can afford nuance and layered takes for the GOP and their white nationalism apologia but Biden saying "Maduro kinda sucks" ruffles your jimmies.

We're just listing things you're disagreeing with me?
Can I play?
I also want the US to remove all its bases from the Korean peninsula and I think the tax credit we gave for plug in electric was a bad police.

TheHunter · Jun 25, 2020

I'm noticing a pattern you have is all.

A bad one at that.

EvilChameleon · Jun 25, 2020

Batman (at least in Justice League) says his power is being rich. Kim Possible isn't rich.

Loudninja · Jun 25, 2020

Here we go again

rjinaz · Jun 25, 2020

Reading some of these Trump responses on Twitter from the fox town hall is great. Trump has answered a couple of times as if he won't win reelection. "Biden will finish the wall" etc . He knows he's finished.

Deleted member 13101 · Jun 25, 2020

Chaos Legion said:
Wall Street executives brace for a potential Biden win as Trump fades in polls

Various current and former Wall Street financiers, analysts, lobbyists, lawyers and political advisors with banking clients spoke to CNBC about how the industry is bracing for a possible Biden win.

www.cnbc.com

Those hoping for a Biden/Republican Senate truly are despicable given nothing will pass after a generational recession.

—

Rice Would Push for National Service as VP

As long as money drives elections, not sure why people should be conscripted to be put to work to make up for influenced elected leaders' failings.

Ithil · Jun 25, 2020

rjinaz said:
Reading some of these Trump responses on Twitter from the fox town hall is great. Trump has answered a couple of times as if he won't win reelection. "Biden will finish the wall" etc . He knows he's finished.

"Finish" a thing he never started and no one in government but him wants.

cameron · Jun 25, 2020

rjinaz said:
Reading some of these Trump responses on Twitter from the fox town hall is great. Trump has answered a couple of times as if he won't win reelection. "Biden will finish the wall" etc . He knows he's finished.

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Daniel Dale @ddale8

Hannity taped an "interview" with Trump to air before the town hall. Trump said Democrats hate energy so much they're probably against wind energy because it kills birds. (They support wind energy. He is the one who is focused on the birds.)

9:05 PM · Jun 25, 2020

Daniel Dale @ddale8

Trump lies that Biden is saying he can't do the debates because of COVID. Biden, unlike Trump, has committed to the three official Commission debates, and he has repeatedly said he's eager to debate Trump even if it has to be via Zoom or another online tool.

Notable divide between the Trump campaign and Trump himself -- Trump himself hasn't said he wants more debates.

9:59 PM · Jun 25, 2020

Chikor · Jun 25, 2020

EvilChameleon said:
Batman (at least in Justice League) says his power is being rich. Kim Possible isn't rich.

How that joke goes?
Batman is a superhero that can lose his powers to a more just tax code.

Anyway, this is now a barman slander thread -

A bunch of penguins broke into the umbrella factory last night.
Who can that be?
Better tap everyone's phone.

rjinaz · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
"Finish" a thing he never started and no one in government but him wants.

Hey let's not just ignore 3 miles of wall ok? Mexico cried when they were forced to pay for that shit.

Ive been confused why Trump has wanted to debate Biden. I mean I know he tells his supporters Biden is basically no longer with it but Trump doesn't actually believe that

Greigor the FellHand · Jun 25, 2020

cameron said:
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Daniel Dale @ddale8

Hannity taped an "interview" with Trump to air before the town hall. Trump said Democrats hate energy so much they're probably against wind energy because it kills birds. (They support wind energy. He is the one who is focused on the birds.)

9:05 PM · Jun 25, 2020

Daniel Dale @ddale8

Trump lies that Biden is saying he can't do the debates because of COVID. Biden, unlike Trump, has committed to the three official Commission debates, and he has repeatedly said he's eager to debate Trump even if it has to be via Zoom or another online tool.

Notable divide between the Trump campaign and Trump himself -- Trump himself hasn't said he wants more debates.

9:59 PM · Jun 25, 2020

huh.

I never thought about that strategy.

if you can break his morale. He surrenders and flops over.

LilZippa · Jun 25, 2020

I'm trying to rein in my new found hopium.

IggyChooChoo · Jun 25, 2020

Greigor the FellHand said:
huh.

I never thought about that strategy.

if you can break his morale. He surrenders and flops over.

I don't want to get my hopes up, but one of the downsides of having a sulky, impulsive, non-politician billionaire as your party standard bearer, is that he may not give a shit if your party sinks like a rock. No GOP candidate has ever been anything but a creature of the party before. Trump is the first. Luckily he doesn't have a track record of stabbing his own side in the back. Anyway, I try not to dwell on this kind of thing, because it feels unhealthy.

jiggle · Jun 25, 2020

How amazing if he just gives up and takes the senates down with himol

Avinash117 · Jun 25, 2020

We still don't know what Trump is running on. It very well may be that Trump doesn't care about winning or doesn't want to. He will never admit to it though of course.

Ithil · Jun 25, 2020

IggyChooChoo said:
I don't want to get my hopes up, but one of the downsides of having a sulky, impulsive, non-politician billionaire as your party standard bearer, is that he may not give a shit if your party sinks like a rock. No GOP candidate has ever been anything but a creature of the party before. Trump is the first. Luckily he doesn't have a track record of stabbing his own side in the back. Anyway, I try not to dwell on this kind of thing, because it feels unhealthy.

But what about all those "____ has my full endorsement, very tough on crime, border, 2nd amendment, their opponent is weak on crime, borders, 2nd amendment" tweets? That's a sacred bond right there.

Ithil · Jun 25, 2020

cameron said:
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Daniel Dale @ddale8

Hannity taped an "interview" with Trump to air before the town hall. Trump said Democrats hate energy so much they're probably against wind energy because it kills birds. (They support wind energy. He is the one who is focused on the birds.)

9:05 PM · Jun 25, 2020

Daniel Dale @ddale8

Trump lies that Biden is saying he can't do the debates because of COVID. Biden, unlike Trump, has committed to the three official Commission debates, and he has repeatedly said he's eager to debate Trump even if it has to be via Zoom or another online tool.

Notable divide between the Trump campaign and Trump himself -- Trump himself hasn't said he wants more debates.

9:59 PM · Jun 25, 2020

The most laughable one in that thread, Hannity asks him what his top priorities are for a second term if he is reelected. Trump can't name a single thing, he just vaguely rambles about moving to DC after being elected the first time (???) then just switches the subject to Bolton. He doesn't even have a stock PR answer for why voters should vote for him.

Sheepinator · Jun 25, 2020

rjinaz said:
Reading some of these Trump responses on Twitter from the fox town hall is great. Trump has answered a couple of times as if he won't win reelection. "Biden will finish the wall" etc . He knows he's finished.

Gee thanks. Trump did three miles in three and a half years, and Biden will finish the rest. OK.

kess · Jun 25, 2020

LilZippa said:
I'm trying to rein in my new found hopium.

The party divide is barely papered over in some quarters, so expect to see a reappearance of it some way or another before or after the election.

"Biden can't speak" is still a thing, and that's the least of it.

BoboBrazil · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
The most laughable one in that thread, Hannity asks him what his top priorities are for a second term if he is reelected. Trump can't name a single thing, he just vaguely rambles about moving to DC after being elected the first time (???) then just switches the subject to Bolton. He doesn't even have a stock PR answer for why voters should vote for him.

I assume it's the racism for most of his voters

Blader · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
But what about all those "____ has my full endorsement, very tough on crime, border, 2nd amendment, their opponent is weak on crime, borders, 2nd amendment" tweets? That's a sacred bond right there.

lol

rjinaz · Jun 25, 2020

Sheepinator said:
Gee thanks. Trump did three miles in three and a half years, and Biden will finish the rest. OK.

If he doesn't, there will be a "REVOLUTION" apparently.

Ithil said:
The most laughable one in that thread, Hannity asks him what his top priorities are for a second term if he is reelected. Trump can't name a single thing, he just vaguely rambles about moving to DC after being elected the first time (???) then just switches the subject to Bolton. He doesn't even have a stock PR answer for why voters should vote for him.

It was literally, "hey I was new at this" but in Trumpanese. But then he forgot to say how he will be better from now on and what he'll be better at.

MasterChumly · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
The most laughable one in that thread, Hannity asks him what his top priorities are for a second term if he is reelected. Trump can't name a single thing, he just vaguely rambles about moving to DC after being elected the first time (???) then just switches the subject to Bolton. He doesn't even have a stock PR answer for why voters should vote for him.

Yep talk about a losing strategy...... he could bullshit all he wanted when it was running but now he's defending. Like come the fuck on. He could he literally not name anything

Whitemex · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
The most laughable one in that thread, Hannity asks him what his top priorities are for a second term if he is reelected. Trump can't name a single thing, he just vaguely rambles about moving to DC after being elected the first time (???) then just switches the subject to Bolton. He doesn't even have a stock PR answer for why voters should vote for him.

you'd think Hannity would give his aides a briefer on the questions he's gonna ask to make him look like less of a fucking moron but no....or maybe he did and this guy is just a fucking moron

Aaron · Jun 25, 2020

SwordsmanofS said:

It was extremely annoying dealing with people who downplayed Beto's achievement (nearly winning in Texas!) by acting like "hurrhurr you couldn't even beat TED CRUZ" was some major faceplant that any idiot could have avoided. The Texas electorate is polarized, and Cruz is a polarizing figure - that does not mean he is unpopular. I hate making the comparison because Obama deserves so much better than this, but Obama was also a polarizing incumbent in 2012. About 51% of the country thought he was doing a good job, and about 49% didn't. Everyone who thought he was doing a good job voted for him. Everyone who thought he wasn't voted for someone else.

Trump may lose Texas where Cruz won because Trump's support among certain factions within the GOP is borne much more out of convenience and circumstance. Cruz is a true believer, Trump is using the Republican Party to further his own brand - there's no real loyalty there, and that goes both ways.

kess · Jun 25, 2020

Biden's campaign being based in part on humility has seemed to flummox Trump's since he has very little to offer besides his personality. Dude's just floating in space with most of these non-answers, no bete noire like Hillary to focus on.

There's no good way for him to attack him head on about it without sounding like an insufferable boor or a vainglorious sociopath, which, well, he is.

DrForester · Jun 25, 2020

Well this is a bit disheartening...

9NEWS and ColoradoPolitics.com poll shows Hickenlooper still ahead in Democratic Senate race

58% of Democratic voters said they supported Hickenlooper, 28% said Romanoff and 14% were undecided.

www.9news.com

I mean, he'll be considerably better than Garder, but Hickenlooper will be just as wishy washy as Bennet.

Zyrokai · Jun 25, 2020

Ohio is in play. It's just that no one is paying attention to it this cycle.

bye · Jun 25, 2020

studyguy said:
That spongebob meme about viruses being a political opinion but irl gets more true by the day.

These numbers are actually horrible for Trump, shows the first time Rs are truly breaking from him

Ithil · Jun 25, 2020

Zyrokai said:
Ohio is in play. It's just that no one is paying attention to it this cycle.

As it should be.

Blader · Jun 25, 2020

From this CNN article: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/donald-trump-campaign-coronavirus-strategy/index.html

Aides say they are hopeful they can replicate the circumstances toward the end of Trump's 2016 campaign, when he moderated his attacks and used Twitter more carefully, a strategy that ended in a victory surprising even to the candidate.

I've seen this claim made in a couple different pieces lately and am really baffled by this assertion. Maybe I've blanked on this, but I cannot recall any time in 2016 -- or ever -- that Trump "moderated his attacks and used Twitter more carefully." I mean maybe careful Twitter usage is relative to the hundreds of rage tweets per day he does now, but he has only ever been a fucking asshole on Twitter. Ffs, his campaign's closing argument was that Hillary would be leading a cabal of evil globalist Jews taking over the country.

Kangi · Jun 25, 2020

It's a beautiful world wherein we don't have to care about Ohio anymore

Zyrokai · Jun 25, 2020

Ithil said:
As it should be.

Ouch.

There's something to be said here about lessons we've already learned about ignoring parts of the country and how it led to the predicament we're in now, but.....I think I'll save it for another time :p

Baron Eyepatch · Jun 25, 2020

My hope for the Lincoln Project is that they want to truly reform the GOP into a second viable political party, one that has a realistic view of the world (no more anti-science shit) and modern social views (no more anti-LGBTQ+, anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-POC, etc. shit). Because our country can survive periodic conservative government, but it can't survive periodic fascist white nationalist government. We can't have Trump-style governance for four years every once in a while. This can never happen again. When the pendulum inevitably swings back, the GOP can't be run by actual Nazis.

I *hope* that is what the Lincoln Project is aiming for. I hope they don't stop after this year. I hope they insist on a pro-science and at least socially neutral platform. In my view that's the only way to make the GOP "viable" again nationally... I don't think there's going to be a large national appetite for a Pence type now that Millenials are consistent voters and Gen Z are beginning to vote.

Also, this may be overly optimistic, but I don't think the trauma of 2016 and the Trump administration is going to wear off quickly. I think the modern progressive movement will continue to push forward. So I don't think 2022 will be a repeat of 2010 (assuming President Biden is in office).

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