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US PoliEra 2020 |OT6| I will not be closing this thread when the second wave hits.
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I kinda think we shouldn't be doing those kind of things right now, but at least they seem to be taking safety seriously.
This is totally fine. They can easily keep distance and are wearing masks.
Biden staying home would have just opened up an entire universe of hot takes on Memorial Day.
Americans are nothing but spoiled, whiny lil brats. Fucking protesting with guns over having to stay home for your own protection and wearing masks out in public as a way to protect yourself and others. The generations that lived through the Great Depression and WWII are rolling over their graves watching this. Trump pretty much embodies the modern day American to me. Fat, ignorant, spoiled, privileged, selfish, and ungrateful.
They're outside in masks with no one around them, there's not a lot of risk of transmission.
It's not just Biden. He has secret service there and there are photographers and almost certainly some staffers. Look at his motorcade behind him.
I don't think it's super risky in and by itself, and I'm sure they took the necessary measures to reduce the risk of infection to a minimum. But I donno, we tell people to skip actual funerals, this is just a photo op, I feel like we could have easily skipped that. It's not even something that is terribly important to his campaign, candidates do those things to look presidential, and Biden was a VP for 8 years, he's not lacking anything there.
And it's not like anyone can seriously suggest that he doesn't care about memorial day or the troops.
Skipping funerals are for large gatherings of people ala church services. There is clearly no large gathering in those photos and Biden is observing proper social distancing and wearing a mask. There's nothing improper in his actions.
Man running for president has to show respect for the lives that have been lost on Memorial Day.
At least it was safely done and near his home. Baltimore told Trump not to show up at Fort McHenry (cost and stay at home order) and of course he couldn't honor their request.
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Actual policy, not just empty platitudes either.
This is awesome, definitely the most comprehensive approach I've seen in my lifetime.
If the Dems take the Senate, they have to nuke the filibuster. If he's serious about this, we can't let fuckstick Republicans stymie it.
I have no idea if the right will succeed in swift boating Biden into a troops hater (I personally have my doubts, he has too long of a record there, and unlike shit that happened in Vietnam, it's in public view), but if they do, I kinda doubt it will hinge on whether or not there is a picture of him placing a hearth from May.
The thing is Biden is also signaling it is ok to go out and do your thing. Not everyone has the good fortune of a secret service detail to keep other people at bay.
I'm sure it's Joe Biden putting a wreath down and not the messages from state and local officials discussing opening up in every state that are signalling that it's OK to do your thing. He's a public figure. It's been fairly normal for public figures to have somewhat expanded social expectations in general, especially for things that are state related. I think most people are able to process that and not rush out to the war memorial in a mob.
He's not violating any regulations by the state of Delaware. He's socially distancing. He's wearing a mask. He's going outside and directly back inside, and is doing more to self-isolate than what is required. There's no "signaling it is ok to go out and do your thing".
I'm confused what the actual complaint is here since there were no guidelines that were flaunted?
I mean, the fact that the campaign thought it was important enough to have the only time he's been outside of his house in two months to do this probably should signal that they felt it was an important thing to do. And I agree, it probably is better to do than not, and if you're not actually violating any regulations... what is the actual complaint?
right. the entire country is in various stages of reopening, Biden's been crushed for weeks by people for "hiding in his basement"..he makes his first appearance following all required guidelines and makes it explicitly not political.
I feel like Biden can literally never win with some people.
It's to easy to say that shit when you're not on the front lines.
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This particular scenario, going to a largely deserted memorial and laying a wreath, is the definition of harmless.
Afaik not a single states order has told people to not go to parks/outside.
I actually do think we needed more restrictions (closing all air travel, closing all parks, closing home improvement stores, etc, but none of that happened). And when this first started up I actually posted that air travel needs to be banned from NYC. I was dogpiled. If we had done that we probably would not be looking at 100k deaths right now.
I think if anywhere in the US actually was in even close to an actual state of lockdown, sure the optics might be kinda bad. That isn't where we are though and yeah as above poster said even the restrictions we do have are being lifted.
I think this is only accurate if you've crossed fully over into 'bitch-eating-crackers' mode and lost the entire goddamn plot.
Parks in Delaware are open, but some of them still have their public bathrooms closed. But parks don't really pose that much of a threat -- we now know that, with social distancing, open-air spaces are fairly harmless, and it's a good (and mostly safe) outlet for people to go somewhere instead of asking them to stay inside 24/7, as long as the rules are followed (see: the circles at Dolores Park are good!). Most states have followed suit except in parks that are difficult for social distancing to be followed (see: Runyon Canyon).
Delaware even allows outdoor church gatherings as of two days ago.
Delaware even allows outdoor church gatherings as of two days ago.
I don't think it's exactly signaling "go out and do your thing" by putting a wreath at a site while social distancing and wearing a mask outside for a very specific reason before going back home while following every single guideline. (Not to mention the way this transmits is a bit better understood now, and this is as close as you'll get to a not-able-to-be-transmitted-this-way event.)
Sure, different time on the curve, different response etc. but if you think that sends the wrong picture you would have more than one heart attack living in Germany these last few weeks.
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Ok, I'll admit it, that was a bad take.
Just a little jaded from all the stories of everyone flocking outside all over the place and not social distancing. Let's be honest Biden could go anywhere and social distance by default thanks to his secret service detail... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just a little jaded from all the stories of everyone flocking outside all over the place and not social distancing. Let's be honest Biden could go anywhere and social distance by default thanks to his secret service detail... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He's literally not signalling that at all. This is pathetic.
yea but Biden is literally doing the opposite of all of those stories. We have a president that refuses to wear a mask in public- contrary to his own guidelines - and we're going to give Biden shit for giving a solitary remembrance to fallen soldiers?
Yeah, he could also go home after laying flowers at graves like he does every year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But even secret service detail doesn't truly stop anyone from following social distancing properly and other safety guidance. Trump alone flaunts safety guidelines. Biden at least is showing that he understands the safety guidance and is willing to follow it as much as possible.
Complaining about people going to a deserted memorial with masks is just crying to cry when all states are opening this week.
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Maybe it isn't necessary for Biden to go out but if he didn't then the GOP would have attacked him for it. And it is kinda personal for him. His own dead son served in the armed forces though he did not die while serving. Despite that he understands the pain of families that have lost loved ones while they were serving in the armed forces and as such Biden would be further compelled to do this.
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