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Culex

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Tomorrow is going to be a shit-show:


I work for one of those lenders. EVEN RIGHT NOW - we have no godamn guidance! It's going to be a free-for-all, and "good lucky everybody" shit show. It's first come first serve. I myself, have nearly 100 of these to try to make happen at go time, no way in hell i'm going to finish, as they want us out of the office by 4pm because of the governor's orders!

No one is getting SHIT
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The Dem Primary thread basically implying Biden is responsible for murder because of Wisconsin. Either he has dementia or he's a murdering sociopath.
 

adam387

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Nov 27, 2017
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As far as I can tell, that VA Bill Sanders worked on with McCain (that Trump keeps trying to take credit for) was a good bill. But it involved working with Republicans as well as some healthcare privatization so its kind of hard to run on that if you want to be the "Viva La Revolution" and "Single Payer or Bust" candidate.
It was a good bill, it was also kinda, as you pointed out, antithetical to what his views on healthcare are. Again, though, it's one bill in 30 years. Bernie has no record prior to politics because, by and large, he never worked. Trying to nominate a socialist candidate who voted against the Amber Alert system, who voted against the Brady Bill, who voted to give gun manufacturers near blanket immunity...is not a winning Democratic candidate for president.

Biden's work on the Violence Against Women act is far more impressive than Bernie's VA bill. Hell, Warren's CFPB is way more important too. It ties into my point...Bernie's biggest problem was Bernie himself. It's not really his views, because he's not really a socialist. But there is just so much baggage with him that no one wanted to acknowledge was an actual issue. I think his candidacy's death was death by a thousand paper cuts. You can't really put your finger on one specific thing, but a combination of factors that made it very difficult for him to consolidate support.
 
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I work for one of those lenders. EVEN RIGHT NOW - we have no godamn guidance! It's going to be a free-for-all, and "good lucky everybody" shit show. It's first come first serve. I myself, have nearly 100 of these to try to make happen at go time, no way in hell i'm going to finish, as they want us out of the office by 4pm because of the governor's orders!

No one is getting SHIT
Trump will try to make calls tomorrow and make "deals" as only he can, but based on today's presser they don't understand half the aml/kyc or other issues involved. Saying "well we will up the loan rate to 1% from 0.5%" isn't a band aid they can get away with.
 

sphagnum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Outsourcing your revolution

Not sure what you mean by this

a candidate who cannot understand basic intersectionality outside class struggle is not going to gain traction.

This was a big failing of his in 2016. I think he got a lot better at it - but clearly not enough for the voters. I think the next gen of socialist politicians already has that down, and we will soon be making the case much more successfully that intersectionality and idpol (as the Combahee River Collective envisaged it) requires socialism.

What do you make of politicians' seeming strategies of implying socialist-adjacent views rather than announcing them outright?

Are you talking about stuff like AOC's occasional kind-of-sort-of references to the labor theory of value and workplace democracy? I think it's necessary baby steps so long as we're bound by electoralism.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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It is funny, and also sort of horrible, the utterly wrong lessons so many pundits took away from 2016. Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump and the prevailing thinking was it was because Democrats had a shit brand, that they'd lost touch with the working (wo)man, that voters wanted true-blue lefties that would break the establishment of neoliberals and corporate donors. When actually, they just flat out dislike Hillary like poison. Because come 2017, 2018, and 2019, Democrats win all over the place. And come 2020, Bernie does considerably worse against a candidate who we led ourselves to believe was so bland, was so heavily tied to an establishment we thought voters wanted to be rid of, was too centrist in his policies, and was running so disastrous a campaign, that he should've dropped out every day since he'd first gotten in. Nope! Turns out Democratic voters actually really like Joe Biden, don't have much issue with Democrats or calling themselves Democrats, aren't super interested in people calling themselves socialists (at least as far as the broad electorate is concerned), and more than anything just really did not want Hillary Clinton.

In short: running a campaign of openly shitting on the Democratic party, in a Democratic primary race, does not particularly endear you to many Democratic voters. Which shouldn't be surprising but apparently is.
 

MHWilliams

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Dem Primary thread basically implying Biden is responsible for murder because of Wisconsin. Either he has dementia or he's a murdering sociopath.

It's largely not smart to have primary voting. Sadly, at the same time, Biden and Sanders don't really have much to do with that process.

Evers, notably a Democrat, is apparently doing so for state and local offices:
www.politico.com

Coronavirus crashes the Wisconsin primary

The pandemic has led to a shortage of poll workers, a potential turnout dip and several lawsuits, but the April 7 vote is still going ahead.
Wisconsin officials, including Evers, have resisted postponing the April 7 election in large part because the presidential primary between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders is not the only vote being held next week. Wisconsin also regularly schedules spring general elections for critical state and local offices, including state Supreme Court justice and mayor of Milwaukee, the state's largest city.

Evers called last week for every voter to be mailed an absentee ballot. But election administrators said they didn't have the supplies to do that, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported, and Republican state legislative leaders balked at the request, calling it logistically impossible.

So, clusterfuck.
 

adam387

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This was a big failing of his in 2016. I think he got a lot better at it - but clearly not enough for the voters. I think the next gen of socialist politicians already has that down, and we will soon be making the case much more successfully that intersectionality and idpol (as the Combahee River Collective envisaged it) requires socialism.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't always want to be a dick to Sanders. I don't care for him, but that's neither here nor there. So, I agree that I think he tried, in his way, to understand it better. The extent to which he was successful is probably subjective. I never felt that he could appreciate my struggle as a gay person because economics play basically zero role in the struggle for acceptance my husband and I face...simply because we're moderately well off white men.

Someone like AOC can totally speak to intersectionality on a way Sanders either could not or would not. I think it's a generational difference.

When I was an undergrad, I helped out in our intro sociology classes. Bernie always reminds me of that freshman who learns about conflict theory, and then checks out to everything conflict theory spawned after it. It's the simplest solution to the most complex problems, so they would always cling to it, and when their priors were challenged on it, they tended to just kinda revert back to what they thought they know. That's not really a read or a knock against Bernie, btw, just something I saw in a lot of folks.
 

Autodidact

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It's largely not smart to have primary voting. Sadly, at the same time, Biden and Sanders don't really have much to do with that process.

Evers, notably a Democrat, is apparently doing so for state and local offices:
www.politico.com

Coronavirus crashes the Wisconsin primary

The pandemic has led to a shortage of poll workers, a potential turnout dip and several lawsuits, but the April 7 vote is still going ahead.




So, clusterfuck.
The GOP legislature wouldn't do a damn thing to help Evers.

They want the election to happen on Tuesday and be low turnout so they can hold the state supreme court seat.
 

Scottt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are you talking about stuff like AOC's occasional kind-of-sort-of references to the labor theory of value and workplace democracy? I think it's necessary baby steps so long as we're bound by electoralism.

Yeah, I was mostly wondering about your annoyance with that, but whether you still find it broadly effective. I think it could preclude the potential for a debate moderator to frame a question with "As a self-proclaimed socialist..." as they did during this primary, but to me it would also be frustrating to not be able to pin down someone's actual politics.

But then on other hand, since we're bound by electoralism, bringing about socialism isn't part of a politician's job, so maybe they don't need announce it.
 

Joco

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So... What are the odds Congress ends up saving the USPS? Or will the GOP let it die to privatize it?
 

Hedge

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I work with a lot of businesses and tomorrow is going to be a clusterfuck with the SBA loans. Banks have been emailing all my clients telling them they are no longer taking part of the program or are not accepting applications at this time.

Nobody seems to even know how to untangle this and the clock is ticking for businesses. Delays can be the difference between some reprieve and going under
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm so shocked that Kushner uses the word "synergy" without understanding how our system of federalism is meant to work in a broad definition of the term.
 

cameron

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Blake News on Twitter

“👀 this Grisham quote: “Sounds like more palace intrigue to me, but I’ve also been in quarantine. If true, how ironic that the press secretary would hear about being replaced in the press.” https://t.co/SQ99dENU9b”





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Jonathan Swan on Twitter

“New: White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has privately discussed bringing on Pentagon spokeswoman Alyssa Farah or Trump campaign spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany as a new White House press secretary. He met with Farah in recent days. https://t.co/sCKOFye1CN”
 

Arm Van Dam

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Blake News on Twitter

“👀 this Grisham quote: “Sounds like more palace intrigue to me, but I’ve also been in quarantine. If true, how ironic that the press secretary would hear about being replaced in the press.” https://t.co/SQ99dENU9b”





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Jonathan Swan on Twitter

“New: White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has privately discussed bringing on Pentagon spokeswoman Alyssa Farah or Trump campaign spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany as a new White House press secretary. He met with Farah in recent days. https://t.co/sCKOFye1CN”

Guess Trump's tried of Grisham then and her days are pretty much numbered in the administration
 
Oct 26, 2017
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www.nytimes.com

The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients. (Published 2020)

“It’s a joke,” said a top hospital executive, whose facilities are packed with coronavirus patients.

Only three patients had been transferred to the ship, officials said, even as New York hospitals struggled to find space for the thousands infected with the coronavirus. Another Navy hospital ship, the U.S.N.S. Mercy, docked in Los Angeles, has had a total of 15 patients, officials said.
"If I'm blunt about it, it's a joke," said Michael Dowling, the head of Northwell Health, New York's largest hospital system. "Everyone can say, 'Thank you for putting up these wonderful places and opening up these cavernous halls.' But we're in a crisis here, we're in a battlefield."
The Comfort was sent to New York to relieve pressure on city hospitals by treating people with ailments other than Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.
President Trump left a nine-day sequester in the White House last week to travel to Norfolk, Va., to personally see off the ship as it set sail for New York, saying it would play a "critical role." The ship's arrival on Monday was cheered as one of the few bright moments in a grim time for the city.
But the reality has been different. A tangle of military protocols and bureaucratic hurdles has prevented the Comfort from accepting many patients at all.
On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship.
Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation — including a test for the virus — and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.
Hospital leaders said they were exasperated by the delays.


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Ultimately, Mr. Dowling and others said, if the Comfort refuses to take Covid patients, there are few patients to send. And given the pernicious spread of the disease in New York City, where nearly 50,000 were infected as of Thursday, dividing patients into those who have it and those who do not is pointless, he said.
The solution, he and others said, was to open the Comfort to patients with Covid-19.
"It's pretty ridiculous," he said. "If you're not going to help us with the people we need help with, what's the purpose?"
Asked about Mr. Dowling's criticisms, the Defense Department referred to Mr. Trump's statements about the Comfort at his daily briefing. The president said only that the ship was not accepting patients with the coronavirus.






Add this to the pile.

Tomorrow is going to be a shit-show:


Hanlon's Razor, folks.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
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Zolan Kanno-Youngs on Twitter

“After the press briefing today, I asked FEMA if the administration was indeed issuing an order to 3M under DPA’s allocation authority. Would only say agencies have the authority to do so. https://t.co/fRgcTdeYvL”
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man it's kinda sad seeing the VISIT Milwaukee organization send out an email about the change in Democratic Convention date talking about how August will be crucial for the city's recovery and this will be a key part.

Guys... it's not going to happy. You're not getting 50,000 people together in August.
 

plagiarize

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shower Thought: What will sociologists call the eventual spike in births and divorces due to Carona?
I don't think a spike in births is a given at all. We shall see though. Hardship depresses birth rates usually cause who would want a kid right now? Also, not sure that enough people will want to get all up in each other's mucus membranes with a virus going around even if it's respitory. Not enough to balance out all the horrors anyway. Plus, who wants to have to make regular doctor and hospital visits right now?

People have sex during blizzards cause they are short term and it's something to do, but you aren't worrying about how the fuck you pay the bills next month cause of them.

People are going to divorce though, for sure.
 

RDreamer

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I don't think a spike in births is a given at all. We shall see though. Hardship depresses birth rates usually cause who would want a kid right now? Also, not sure that enough people will want to get all up in each other's mucus membranes with a virus going around even if it's respitory. Not enough to balance out all the horrors anyway. Plus, who wants to have to make regular doctor and hospital visits right now?

People have sex during blizzards cause they are short term and it's something to do, but you aren't worrying about how the fuck you pay the bills next month cause of them.

People are going to divorce though, for sure.

Yeah, we were contemplating the possibility of another child, but right now both of us are like fucking hell no. Not even going to speak of it until this is over and I'm sure this'll have a profound impact on that decision (even outside the fact that waiting for a vaccine makes my wife much older and into the more dangerous range of birthing).
 

CrocM

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I think you'll see a spike in births about nine months after we're able to congregate again. Thirst levels the likes of which we've never seen in those bars on the first weekend...
 

aspiegamer

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Oct 27, 2017
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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
It's extremely irresponsible to end up having a kid until this pandemic is sorted. With predictions of another peak starting out in the fall, we could well have another major strain on resources next winter. We really just don't know, and the uncertainty is the problem. Don't be an asshole and risk having a child right now.
I think you'll see a spike in births about nine months after we're able to congregate again. Thirst levels the likes of which we've never seen in those bars on the first weekend...
This is pretty much a given, though we'll be lucky if any bars still exist in 3/6/9/however many months.
 

CrocM

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It's extremely irresponsible to end up having a kid until this pandemic is sorted. With predictions of another peak starting out in the fall, we could well have another major strain on resources next winter. We really just don't know, and the uncertainty is the problem. Don't be an asshole and risk having a child right now.

This is pretty much a given, though we'll be lucky if any bars still exist in 3/6/9/however many months.
Alcohol keeps pretty well thankfully. Truly a blessing
 

cubanb

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It's extremely irresponsible to end up having a kid until this pandemic is sorted. With predictions of another peak starting out in the fall, we could well have another major strain on resources next winter. We really just don't know, and the uncertainty is the problem. Don't be an asshole and risk having a child right now.

This is pretty much a given, though we'll be lucky if any bars still exist in 3/6/9/however many months.
Yeah, it's that easy to put life on hold. It's extremely unrealistic to have such an absolute view on this stuff.
 

cubanb

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Booze keeps fine, but who's going to sell it? And where? And who'll serve it? Things are going to be a mess for a long time.

Not having unprotected sex is a pretty easy on/off switch, I'm going to argue.
Not like some couples might have trying for a baby recently..... but whatevs. things are complicated
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
There'll be a day where we eventually have a debate on whether CGI beings and animatronic oddities that have a human AIs should be counted or not, but that is not today.
Not like some couples might have trying for a baby recently..... but whatevs. things are complicated
I'm not going to fault anyone from before the lockdowns started. They can't really have known. Once the scope of this crisis became obvious, though? Eeh... though yeah obviously there's not some magical cutoff date. Certainly by now people should have gotten the message.
 

SmokeMaxX

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Y'all are crazy. We have high birthrates in the South because there's literally nothing to do except smash. Considering everything is closed down, there's REALLY nothing to do now. If there was a way to bet on a higher number of births in ~9 months, I'd be all over it.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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The GOP legislature wouldn't do a damn thing to help Evers.

They want the election to happen on Tuesday and be low turnout so they can hold the state supreme court seat.
Just watch, if the liberal candidate wins anyway they'll point to low turnout as a reason to claim her victory was illegitimate, and maybe even try and invalidate the results.
 

cubanb

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There'll be a day where we eventually have a debate on whether CGI beings and animatronic oddities that have a human AIs should be counted or not, but that is not today.

I'm not going to fault anyone from before the lockdowns started. They can't really have known. Once the scope of this crisis became obvious, though? Eeh... though yeah obviously there's not some magical cutoff date. Certainly by now people should have gotten the message.
Ah k, gotcha. Weird times....
 

RDreamer

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Some talk and scenarios about the small business loan forgiveness and why it's kinda a clusterfuck:

 
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