just let us get it over with, it'll get worse before it gets better.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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just let us get it over with, it'll get worse before it gets better.
This is so good. I think Biden understands how important it is to get Trump out of the paint and will move as leftward as he can in his policy proposals in order to get the leftist wing on board.
Between Biden's recent passion in attacking Trump and his leadership helping him to consolidate the party, I feel FUCKING GREAT about November.
This also gives me hope that he did good debate prep. he's taking away talking points from bernie before tonight even starts.
I know this isn't true for people here, but at some point I feel like some 'online progressives' want Biden to lose in November so they can say "SEE WE TOLD YOU HE WOULD LOSE, HAH BERNIE OR BUST WAS RIGHT, THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOMINATING A CENTRIST" instead of you know, getting good policies and possibly taking the Senate with Biden.
My favorite thing is now "Joe Biden is just stealing ideas!"
Do people actually want change? Or just to complain.
Do people actually want change? Or just to complain.
Absolutely. Move left to meet Bernie at least somewhat, though to be fair, it also might not end up mattering that much. I think the "Bernie Ueber Alles" wing of the party will just complain about Biden anyway and anyone even remotely persuadable wants Trump gone and will vote for Biden anyway.
No since they dont own plans and no plans is exclusive to anyone.
What the holy fuck is this dumb fucking shit.
Fucking... What the fuck kind of take is that.
The virus will be worse in April than in June.
I know, it's maddening when people talk up how Bernie and Warren need to push the party left, and then when establishment figures like Biden move left and start adopting their policies, suddenly you can't trust them for tacking left. Like what is the point of wanting more moderate Dems to move left if we're going to punish them for doing so?
I thought the adoption of their policies is the best case scenario for a potential Biden nomination
That's because it was never a good-faith suggestion.
Threatening to withhold support from Biden is an attempt to boost Bernie, not to actually change Biden's platform for when he officially secures the nomination (which he's already won). There is no way to satisfy them short of nominating Bernie, because that is the only thing they actually want.
It played out exactly the same in 2016. There is nothing new here.
These are folks who don't actually want change. They want to complain about wanting change.
The actual question is will Biden actually have the follow through to enact progressive policies that he adopts when he is betrothed to corporate interests. I really doubt it but sure, the zeitgeist is Biden and is now our corporate media darling to beat Drumpf. I'll vote for him but we need progressives and an actual left in this country. Goddammit.
I was just thinking when I read that Biden tweet "There will be people who are actually mad about him doing this because now they can't complain about him not doing this" then thought, nah, this is too petty to point out, let's let it slide. Then the very next page there's that buffoon's tweets posted doing exactly that.
Good politicians borrow, great politicians borrow while giving credit
Probably proves they were never regular voters anyway. Absolute zero clue how any of this works.
93 cases now in Illinois now
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Coronavirus in Illinois updates: Here’s what happened March 16 with COVID-19 in the Chicago area
Illinois officials reported 12 new coronavirus cases, bringing the state's total since the start of the outbreak to 105. Get the latest updates here.
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This isn't true of every Bernie supporter (obviously), but that there's a "fuck Biden for adopting Bernie's plans" contingency only serves as more supporting evidence for my theory that some of the loudest, brashest Bernie-or-Bust assholes would have found SOMETHING to complain with even Bernie if he'd won the nomination.
A lot of it is simply contrarianism.
I do believe there is also a part of people supporting Sanders because they really do see him as the only one that might improve their lives in any way. Like, if you're poor and have crippling medical debt due to a severe illness you might see him as a savior, regardless if he can actually get any of what he says done. I don't blame those people, I just blame the ones that see anything other than Sanders' plans as not worth even voting against Donald Trump for.
This is true, but then I could already hear the Never Bernie contingent also salivating over a GE loss for the socialist in the brief period of time that he was a frontrunner.
If that small period of time taught us anything, it's that moderates really aren't much different or different in character to people on the edges. They're just as likely to react negatively to being told that you MUST support the party's nominee or be responsible for every terrible thing Trump does, that they're just as capable of nearly fantasizing about a general election loss.
Is this as huge a cut as I think it is? And know md of sudden and desperate as their last two moves didn't work?
CA updates from governor:
Calling for home isolation of all seniors in the state
edit 1:
calling for closingof all breweries, wineries, bars and nightclub
edit 2: cut restaurant capacity in half and distancing
Calling for home isolation of all seniors in the state
edit 1:
calling for closingof all breweries, wineries, bars and nightclub
edit 2: cut restaurant capacity in half and distancing
It should be, but then you see posts like that and start to wonder.
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