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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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I think a lot live in a Twitter bubble and don't realize that democrats don't have the leverage or messaging power they think they do.
And then the republicans would have got out and pointed to zero Republican votes and said that Pelosi was playing politics with a tragedy and not negotiating at all. They'd say it was a partisan bill. And republicans own the biggest messaging power so it largely would have worked.
I feel like as things get worse and the scope of how bad things are becomes clearer to the public, there will be a good chance at a second bill next week that gives emergency sick time to everyone. Democratic leverage is growing.
"Normally" you can get away with a dissent-type vote like that when you know it will pass with an overwhelming majority, where it doesn't go far enough to address some particular thing. Congresspeople do it all the time, when they want people to know what is deficient about a bill. Why wasn't Amash's vote the one that immediately communicated to everyone via Twitter that a technical correction was needed? Yeah.
Right. And they have more leverage after working with the administration and largely leading with this. They'll be seen as negotiating more in full faith because of it.
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Sixty percent believe worst is yet to come for the U.S. in coronavirus pandemic
Public attitudes about the coronavirus response are split along partisan lines in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
www.nbcnews.com
WASHINGTON — A majority of American voters say they're worried that someone in their immediate family might catch the coronavirus, and six-in-10 believe the worst is yet to come for the outbreak inside the United States, a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds.
In addition, more than 40 percent say their day-to-day lives will change as a result of the pandemic.
But public attitudes about the coronavirus — including President Donald Trump's handling of it — are starkly divided along partisan lines, with nearly nine-in-10 Republican voters having confidence in Trump dealing with the outbreak, compared with just a sliver of Democrats who agree.
Indeed, 45 percent of all voters approve of Trump's handling of the issue, which is almost identical to his overall job rating in the poll.
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The NBC News/WSJ poll was conducted March 11-13, and it comes as there have now been 2,600 confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States, as well as 58 deaths from it in the country.
In the poll, a whopping 99 percent of respondents say they've seen, heard or read about the spread of the coronavirus, including 89 percent who say they've heard "a lot" about the story — the highest percentage the NBC News/WSJ poll has registered for a major event going back to 2009.
A combined 53 percent say they're either "very" or "somewhat" worried that someone in their immediate family might catch the coronavirus, while a combined 47 percent say that they aren't too worried or worried at all.
Forty-one percent of voters believe their day-to-day lives will change in a major way in the future, versus a combined 56 percent — a majority — who say their lives will change only in a "small way" or won't change at all.
And 60 percent think that the worst is yet to come, while 31 percent say the coronavirus is not likely to be a major problem.
But a glaring partisan divide exists within these numbers.
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The same partisan divide also underscores perceptions of President Trump.
In the poll, 45 percent approve of the president's handling of the coronavirus, while 51 percent disapprove.
But Democrats and Republicans have completely opposite views: 81 percent of Republican voters approve of Trump's handling of the issue, while 84 percent of Democrats disapprove.
Independents are split: 43 percent approve, 52 percent disapprove.
Trump's overall job performance — 46 percent approve, 51 percent disapprove — is essentially unchanged from last month's poll, as well as the NBC News/WSJ surveys over the last two years.
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Yet voters have more confidence in their state and local governments than they do in President Trump.
A combined 75 percent of all voters say they have a "great deal" or a "fair amount" of confidence in their state government to deal with the outbreak.
A combined 72 percent say the same of their local government, and 62 percent say it for the federal government.
But just 48 percent say they have confidence in Trump, with Republican respondents having high confidence (89 percent), and with Democrats having very little (15 percent).
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Finally, when it comes to an economy that has seen steep drops and then a big upswing Friday in the financial markets, 47 percent of all voters describe the economy as either excellent or good — down 6 points from a December 2019 CNBC survey conducted by the same polling firms.
That's compared with 52 percent who rate it as either fair or poor — up 8 points from the December CNBC poll.
And 34 percent think the economy will get better in the next year, while 31 percent think it will get worse and another 31 percent say it will stay about the same.
In December, 30 percent said the economy will get better; 24 percent said it would get worse; and 35 percent said it would stay the same.
"There has definitely been a slight tick down," said Republican pollster Micah Roberts of Public Opinion Strategies.
But he adds that the coronavirus news — as it relates to the economy — "has not landed a knockdown punch."
NBC/WSJ pretty consistently underrated Trump by about 3% in 2016. (Their final poll had Clinton 48, Trump 43)
I have to wonder if these are the same people buying up everything from stores like a swarm of locusts. There's no logic to it imo.
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Kyle Kondik @kkondikTrump at 46% approval, but just 43% in ballot test with Biden. 51% Trump disapproval, and Biden at 52% in ballot test. This dynamic (Trump running behind approval) has shown up in a lot of polls https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1239176346397532161 …
9:30 AM - Mar 15, 2020
There are pro-Bolsonaro demonstrations taking the streets today, and what does that fucking asshole do? He's RTing videos from his supporters on the ground in the middle of a pandemic. Most of the dumbshits that take part in these demonstrations are old too. Jesus fucking christ, he's so much worse than Trump you guys really have no idea.
CNN Politics @CNNPolitics"I would like to see a dramatic diminution of the personal interaction we see in restaurants and in bars," Dr. Fauci says about the coronavirus. Young people are not immune: "There are going to be people who are young who are going to wind up getting seriously ill" #CNNSOTU
9:16 AM - Mar 15, 2020
Aaron Blake @AaronBlakeMnuchin on Trump's Wednesday address: "I don't think he got things wrong at all."@jonkarl notes Trump was most definitely wrong when he said trade was halted.
Mnuchin: "We were very clear that people misinterpreted the comment on cargo."
Gaslighting.http://abcn.ws/33lVuCs
Mnuchin: "We were very clear that people misinterpreted the comment on cargo."
Gaslighting.http://abcn.ws/33lVuCs
9:35 AM - Mar 15, 2020
I have a feeling that he wont be dropping out at all even if he loses all the states. He is here to do as much damage as possible because like Trump, Sanders is also surrounded by incompetent enablers who believe in the purity of ideals.
The mayors and governors not closing down bars are fucking up big time. It's St Paddy's Day week and now a bunch of dumb college kids have extra spring break. No shit bars will be packed.
Obama needs to endorse Joe after 3/17 and end this fucking primary. Enough with the coddling.
Yeah I didn't mean to exclude him.
Also glad to read the Biden campaign now making noise about endorsing a Warren policy.
they live in an alternate reality. But what else is new? There no state that he is polling within single digits
he is only going to do damage to himself by losing in embarrassing fashion again
Sanders will WINNNNN the debate that no one is watching or cares about and then he will WINNNNNNN!!! a state he is trailing by 15+ points. I will grow wings and fly to ShopRite, which is fully stocked, and the sun will shine and the flood waters will recede and everyone will be friendly and the sick will be healed~
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Sixty percent believe worst is yet to come for the U.S. in coronavirus pandemic
Public attitudes about the coronavirus response are split along partisan lines in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.WASHINGTON — A majority of American voters say they're worried that someone in their immediate family might catch the coronavirus, and six-in-10 believe the worst is yet to come for the outbreak inside the United States, a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds.In addition, more than 40 percent say their day-to-day lives will change as a result of the pandemic.But public attitudes about the coronavirus — including President Donald Trump's handling of it — are starkly divided along partisan lines, with nearly nine-in-10 Republican voters having confidence in Trump dealing with the outbreak, compared with just a sliver of Democrats who agree.Indeed, 45 percent of all voters approve of Trump's handling of the issue, which is almost identical to his overall job rating in the poll.-------------------------------------------------------The NBC News/WSJ poll was conducted March 11-13, and it comes as there have now been 2,600 confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States, as well as 58 deaths from it in the country.In the poll, a whopping 99 percent of respondents say they've seen, heard or read about the spread of the coronavirus, including 89 percent who say they've heard "a lot" about the story — the highest percentage the NBC News/WSJ poll has registered for a major event going back to 2009.A combined 53 percent say they're either "very" or "somewhat" worried that someone in their immediate family might catch the coronavirus, while a combined 47 percent say that they aren't too worried or worried at all.Forty-one percent of voters believe their day-to-day lives will change in a major way in the future, versus a combined 56 percent — a majority — who say their lives will change only in a "small way" or won't change at all.And 60 percent think that the worst is yet to come, while 31 percent say the coronavirus is not likely to be a major problem.But a glaring partisan divide exists within these numbers.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The same partisan divide also underscores perceptions of President Trump.In the poll, 45 percent approve of the president's handling of the coronavirus, while 51 percent disapprove.But Democrats and Republicans have completely opposite views: 81 percent of Republican voters approve of Trump's handling of the issue, while 84 percent of Democrats disapprove.Independents are split: 43 percent approve, 52 percent disapprove.Trump's overall job performance — 46 percent approve, 51 percent disapprove — is essentially unchanged from last month's poll, as well as the NBC News/WSJ surveys over the last two years.-------------------------------------------------------Yet voters have more confidence in their state and local governments than they do in President Trump.A combined 75 percent of all voters say they have a "great deal" or a "fair amount" of confidence in their state government to deal with the outbreak.A combined 72 percent say the same of their local government, and 62 percent say it for the federal government.But just 48 percent say they have confidence in Trump, with Republican respondents having high confidence (89 percent), and with Democrats having very little (15 percent).--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Finally, when it comes to an economy that has seen steep drops and then a big upswing Friday in the financial markets, 47 percent of all voters describe the economy as either excellent or good — down 6 points from a December 2019 CNBC survey conducted by the same polling firms.That's compared with 52 percent who rate it as either fair or poor — up 8 points from the December CNBC poll.And 34 percent think the economy will get better in the next year, while 31 percent think it will get worse and another 31 percent say it will stay about the same.In December, 30 percent said the economy will get better; 24 percent said it would get worse; and 35 percent said it would stay the same."There has definitely been a slight tick down," said Republican pollster Micah Roberts of Public Opinion Strategies.But he adds that the coronavirus news — as it relates to the economy — "has not landed a knockdown punch."
A lot of people are going to be in for a very rude awakening... Unfortunately it will come at great cost...
I feel like Biden will do much better in a two person debate stage where he likely won't be rushed or pressed to get in a zinger in 30 seconds. I don't know why this implosion is being taken as a given by so many.
Since more people have more reason to stay home, I think more people may end up watching the debate out of boredom. Not that it should matter. Might be a snoozefest.
One day that bubble is going to pop and it's going to be the end of the Republican Party.
It's really odd, as it's not going to be an argument between the two of them. It will likely be the most boring, yet informative debate yet.
People seem to think Biden is a moron, or basically collapsing in front of us.
Even if it were an argument, I know people believe Biden's brain has melted into a puddle but both of his iconic, all time debate performances were in one v. one settings.
McConnell already did this a few days ago too, when he said the first bill was a no go because it was filled with "ideological goodies"
Coming from the campaign that thought they could win with 30% of the vote, I guess your best scenario of being blown out, rather then completely blown the fuck out makes sense.
I'm guessing the plan for the debate tonight is stump speach and hope Biden's brain melts and drips out of his ear?
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