It's gonna be kinda unfortunate when the assault weapons bill passes and the stats stay mostly the same. It'll be the right thing to do but I'm already exhausted in advance or the right wing talking points.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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I bet Van Jones'll come around on it, not to mention half of the cable news media even not considering FOX.
Because "functioning brain" and "American news media" are not really compatible with one another, I prefer not to chance it.
So something interesting from the D4P poll of Washington.
Bernie's at 36% "Very unfavorable" among women.
Tulsi is at 38% "Very unfavorable" among women.
In fact, Bernie is underwater with women. And I'm really not sure what's the cause of this? My best guess is residual 2016 anger and also the way he and his supporters have treated Warren. But that's my best guess.
Bernie's at 36% "Very unfavorable" among women.
Tulsi is at 38% "Very unfavorable" among women.
In fact, Bernie is underwater with women. And I'm really not sure what's the cause of this? My best guess is residual 2016 anger and also the way he and his supporters have treated Warren. But that's my best guess.
Trump getting desperate means that we can fuckin' fleece him in spite of the Senate Republicans standing in the way. He's scared, so he'll lash out at whomever he thinks is hurting him. If we can strike a deal with him directly and cut out the Senate...
Fingers crossed that we can pull this off.
Fingers crossed that we can pull this off.
In other words, (early voting) turnout is high. You love to see it!
I don't think it has much to do with his supporters. It's him. He's running a campaign based on resentment, much of it from Clinton. He attacked the first woman nominee for president well past the point where he couldn't even win. I also think women view Clinton's ultimate loss more as unfair in the sense that she was beaten by a fucking moron because voters suck and she was hit with bullshit. Sanders and his campaign comes from the view that she was bad. I think it's hard to convince a woman that the process was rigged for a woman like Sanders insists and still insists.
Sanders demeanor can also be a bit offputting for women. He yells all the time. It's a campaign of anger. Righteous anger, sure, but I think a lot of women get more annoyed knowing a woman could never get away with what he does.
Women also, like black voters, just want this shit to stop. They want Trump our first and foremost. They want unity to do that. Sanders attacks everyone, including people needed to get Trump our.
We're still a week away from the serious shit. I'd have to look at how the graphs grow to be sure.
That's why my wife hates him.
Not so much that she minds me supporting him for a few days (cause honestly, that's looking like that's all it's going to end up being... lol).
I mean with the lack of testing the numbers are certainly a great deal higher but yeah we should see a tipping point next week
This whole thread on the subject (from a sanders supporter no less) is good but i'll embed some highlights:
The lack of testing is what's terrifying. The numbers might spike next week but they still won't be accurate to reality.
That's one take. Maybe grievance politics doesn't play as well with women.
Sorry to say it, but that gives him another commonality with Trump.
The strategy of just not testing people to keep numbers down is unfortunately still appearing to work. They're just not going to test any of the cruise ship people, as one quick example today.
I'm not really sure why Bernie's numbers with women are lousy, but I know the reputation of online toxicity turns some people off. Some. Obviously I can't say if it's enough to actually change polling.
I'm not really sure why Bernie's numbers with women are lousy, but I know the reputation of online toxicity turns some people off. Some. Obviously I can't say if it's enough to actually change polling.
Oh, this is good. Seeing old white men complain about stuff is less-than-appealing.
Well I'll say that the women I know in graduate school pretty much all gravitated towards Warren over Bernie. The whole Warren Bernie spat also did not improve their perception of Bernie either. What was interesting was watching the virulent response the male Sanders supporters I know had to that whole issue.
Just in time for democrats to AcT rEsPoNsIbLy AnD mAkE tOuGh DeCiSiOnS, like cutting the deficit in a recession.
Maybe this time they'll even get their grand bargain they wanted so much.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. What does a woman want to hear about Bernie getting 'screwed' by the establishment when women face everyday discrimination based on their genitals rather than their politics.
Anecdotal obviously, but my GF (who's just as supportive of progressive policies as I am) 100% couldn't get behind Bernie because of the apparent misogyny and toxicity that all too often seems to originate from his supporters.
I'm sure the spat between Bernie and Warren in which he implied she was a liar in front of millions of people and his supporters ran with that didn't help at all...
I'm sure the spat between Bernie and Warren in which he implied she was a liar in front of millions of people and his supporters ran with that didn't help at all...
Except that they didn't do that? They embraced standard counter-cyclical monetary policy. Unlike much of Europe. And it's a big reason Europe's been mired in shit while the US was doing better relative to them in recovering from the recession.
That's much more likely. I have Demexit and BernieSurge still trending.
Also, one of the first and last times I look at trending.
Please expand on this. I agree this is just the beginning but would love to know more details.
Obama 100% lowered the deficit in a recession, we can argue about whether or not it was a good idea, but he 100% did it, and he's proud of it too.
This is many things, but it's not a countercyclical fiscal policy.
And they have tried to make much more drastic cuts, I know you are old enough to remember this -
Grand bargain (United States, 2011) - Wikipedia
National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform - Wikipedia
They didn't succeed with that shit, but it was mostly because The Tea Party rebelled against Boehner.
We still all suffered from that dumb sequestration.
And by the way, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they will do it again this time (assuming they win), I generally don't believe in political determinism, but I think if we don't want it to happen, and the very least the base base must demand a different approach.
TRUMP: "We're prepared and we're doing a great job with it and it will go away, just stay calm."
Such leadership. Inspiring. It will go away.
Such leadership. Inspiring. It will go away.
I assume they're referring to Italy. The US wasn't doing much testing before, still isn't, and you can see Italy's daily rates here. They went from 900 to 9,000 in 10 days. Meanwhile, China and South Korea are getting it under control.
Italy COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Italy Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
We were not in a recession in Obama's second term. You don't continue all of the recession spending indefinitely, it's why it's countercyclical.Obama 100% lowered the deficit in a recession, we can argue about whether or not it was a good idea, but he 100% did it, and he's proud of it too.
This is many things, but it's not a countercyclical fiscal policy.
And they have tried to make much more drastic cuts, I know you are old enough to remember this -
Grand bargain (United States, 2011) - Wikipedia
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National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform - Wikipedia
They didn't succeed with that shit, but it was mostly because The Tea Party rebelled against Boehner.
We still all suffered from that dumb sequestration.
And by the way, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they will do it again this time (assuming they win), I generally don't believe in political determinism, but I think if we don't want it to happen, and the very least the base base must demand a different approach.
I think y'all bring up good points. I'm not a woman so I can't speak to how some women may perceive him. I know my mom and my Church Grandmas all hate him from 2016, and he's done nothing to endear himself to them.
I'm not a woman, but the thing that grates me is the whole everyone is out to get me attitude he extrudes. I'm gay. Literally a subset of people ARE constantly out to get me. But we don't get to complain about it because the moment we do, we're treated totally different from everyone else. If I complain about homophobia, I get hit with "There you go shoving your lifestyle down my throat" kind of thing. So my tolerance for bullshit is like...a two. And Bernie never goes below an eight.
I'm not a woman, but the thing that grates me is the whole everyone is out to get me attitude he extrudes. I'm gay. Literally a subset of people ARE constantly out to get me. But we don't get to complain about it because the moment we do, we're treated totally different from everyone else. If I complain about homophobia, I get hit with "There you go shoving your lifestyle down my throat" kind of thing. So my tolerance for bullshit is like...a two. And Bernie never goes below an eight.
TRUMP: "We're prepared and we're doing a great job with it and it will go away, just stay calm."
Such leadership. Inspiring. It will go away.
Tell those scientists to stop wasting their time in the labs. We've found the tax cut vaccine.
lol these shitty dems are a hoot. Voting against the ACA then.... saying your primary opponent wants to repeal what you voted against! galaxy brain.
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Saw that video of Symone Sanders getting knocked down from the protesting crowd, then getting right back up and telling them "we will hear you."
https://www.politico.com/video/2020/03/10/symone-sanders-biden-detroit-rally-069816
https://www.politico.com/video/2020/03/10/symone-sanders-biden-detroit-rally-069816
The Warren thing was probably quite important. Sanders had the chance to prove his feminist credentials in practice and totally blew it.
Was it really that difficult to just say "I'm sorry Liz, something I said must have come out really wrong. Let's get together and talk it over."
Boom, the whole thing would have vanished into thin air.
Instead he had the platinum mancard standard reaction of blaming Warren. For me at least that was the moment where Sanders went into the fake ally category for good.
Was it really that difficult to just say "I'm sorry Liz, something I said must have come out really wrong. Let's get together and talk it over."
Boom, the whole thing would have vanished into thin air.
Instead he had the platinum mancard standard reaction of blaming Warren. For me at least that was the moment where Sanders went into the fake ally category for good.
I half-expected Republicans to try and delay the eventual recession until after the Democratic president is sworn in. But they can't even pull that off.
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