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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron

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SwordsmanofS

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It's telling that certain folks like Steve Bullock only decided to run when it was clear Biden had a commanding lead. The caucus trusts him; building relationships matter.

I do wonder how all this affects AOC in the future. Like, Democratic Socialists don't exactly have a great track record, and Bernie seems to be willing to take the whole movement down with him. With her fellow GND co-author Ed Merkley looking kinda done against Joe Kennedy, that could be a lot of hits this year... isn't exactly the best look.
 
adam387

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Yoma said:
Did Bernie...really used the dementia attack on Fox News?

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Well, you see, the people online who are saying these things aren't true Bernie supporters...so...uh...what he's...uh......REVOLUTION.
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I hate a lot of people more than I hate Bernie Sanders.

But it's less than the difference between 7 and 15, so whatever.
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I genuinely hate very few people. I think the opposite of love is apathy. I'm apathetic about a lot of people. I am not apathetic about Bernie Sanders.
 
Slader166

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SwordsmanofS said:
It's telling that certain folks like Steve Bullock only decided to run when it was clear Biden had a commanding lead. The caucus trusts him; building relationships matter.

I do wonder how all this affects AOC in the future. Like, Democratic Socialists don't exactly have a great track record, and Bernie seems to be willing to take the whole movement down with him. With her fellow GND co-author Ed Merkley looking kinda done against Joe Kennedy, that could be a lot of hits this year... isn't exactly the best look.
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Yeah agreed, Mark Kelly's endorsement the day before ST helps that argument as well.
 
SwordsmanofS

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Hot take: Biden is quite fine, and will remain physically and mentally sound for his age all throughout his Presidency. Also:



Cue House of Cards themes song... Wasn't that the opening premise for Season 1?
 
ChucklesB

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This a very strong parody account:



Biden parody: So suddenly, suddenly, Americans are worried about my public speaking ability. Look: I owned this Camry, years back. Years. Uglier than sin, this thing. But it ran, it was dependable. I drove it into the dirt. Saved my keister more than once. Point is this: let me be your Camry
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adam387

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JABEE said:
He's a great man, in my opinion.
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I am definitely aware that you think that.
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Lord Fagan

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These minutes speaking comparisons make disputes over pictures of crowd sizes seem like a substantive debate.
 
CrabDust

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Joe Rogan and the reddit brigade are doing the GOPs dirty work spreading lies about Bidens fitness for office.

The dude has NEVER been eloquent. Hes always been a gaffe machine. We all know it. Its only disqualifying now bc his opponent's on both sides are desperate. His strength isnt how he says things its that people believe in the decency behind the words.
 
adam387

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Going into the primary my preferences were

1) Kamala
2) Warren
3) Pete, I guess....?
4) Biden

soooo I finished top 4. (Honestly after Kamala or Warren I didn't really care.)
 
JABEE

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CrabDust said:
Joe Rogan and the reddit brigade are doing the GOPs dirty work spreading lies about Bidens fitness for office.

The dude has NEVER been eloquent. Hes always been a gaffe machine. We all know it. Its only disqualifying now bc his opponent's on both sides are desperate. His strength isnt how he says things its that people believe in the decency behind the words.
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I feel like people have been saying he's lost a step and meanders for awhile. It's not just desperation. He often has issues forming coherent thoughts.

I think people let it slide for awhile because they respect Biden and the only other person who called him out for it on a debate stage, Julian Castro, was uniformly condemned for his cruelty towards Biden.
 
adam387

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JABEE said:
I feel like people have been saying he's lost a step and meanders for awhile. It's not just desperation. He often has issues forming coherent thoughts.

I think people let it slide for awhile because they respect Biden and the only other person who called him out for it on a debate stage, Julian Castro, was uniformly condemned for his cruelty towards Biden.
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And Bernie Sanders had a heart attack.

This is what happens when you run people over seventy for President. We probably should have said "No old fucks" but we didn't, so here we are!
 
JABEE

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adam387 said:
And Bernie Sanders had a heart attack.

This is what happens when you run people over seventy for President. We probably should have said "No old fucks" but we didn't, so here we are!
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Bernie is still sharp as a tack.

Hopefully we get some young progressives who support the GND, Single-Payer, etc the next go around.
 
Rodderick

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JABEE said:
I feel like people have been saying he's lost a step and meanders for awhile. It's not just desperation. He often has issues forming coherent thoughts.

I think people let it slide for awhile because they respect Biden and the only other person who called him out for it on a debate stage, Julian Castro, was uniformly condemned for his cruelty towards Biden.
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I honestly don't really see this. He's lost a couple of miles off his fastball, he's not as energetic as he once was and he trips over words more often as well, that's very noticeable to me, but I don't see much of him getting lost in the middle of sentences or saying something that I struggle to understand the meaning of. I mean, we've had a ton of public debates thus far and it's very telling that the dementia talk only started in full after Super Tuesday. If it were that bad, we'd be having a national conversation about it long before the Bernie campaign started its death throes.
 
CrabDust

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JABEE said:
I feel like people have been saying he's lost a step and meanders for awhile. It's not just desperation. He often has issues forming coherent thoughts.

I think people let it slide for awhile because they respect Biden and the only other person who called him out for it on a debate stage, Julian Castro, was uniformly condemned for his cruelty towards Biden.
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Those excuses dude. Bad look. It 100% is a coordinated effort right now.

and can't you see the difference between "meandering" speaker and "forming coherent thoughts?" Talk about dog whistles.
 
Aarglefarg

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Sanders shouldn't have run a second time, because he didn't improve on the weaknesses that made his 2016 defeat inevitable. It seemed like maybe he had! But when the spotlight turned to him the past two weeks, he conclusively showed otherwise.
 

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Good speech by Biden imo.

There was one brief flub he made that was nothing but i'm sure Sam Seder and Michael Brooks will make sky is falling videos about it tomorrow.
 
Foffy

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JABEE said:
I feel like people have been saying he's lost a step and meanders for awhile. It's not just desperation. He often has issues forming coherent thoughts.

I think people let it slide for awhile because they respect Biden and the only other person who called him out for it on a debate stage, Julian Castro, was uniformly condemned for his cruelty towards Biden.
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I find it incredible that we're all sort of worrying about if he's on the ball with his articulation skills. He has a lot of bad political history to justify. The least of his worries in a general are going to be his ability to speak, but to justify. He was hammered, by nearly every major contender that now supports him, as being the figurehead of being wrong on every core issue that mattered. Half the reason people are mad at specific endorsements for Biden is it's by the people who correctly defined him as being wrong when it mattered to be right, and that list is enormous.

All Trump has to do is reference any of these candidates and not only do they have an argument against Biden, but a conspiracy theory that a fix is in. It becomes a dangerously layered attack.
 
Soul Skater

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Biden's honesty numbers still being good (or atleast being leagues better than Hillary's) are proof that despite how horrible his campaign was it was a good decision to not apologize or wall back anything he said ever even when all the pressure was on him to do it.

Hillary's argument last cycle ended up amounting to "I promise I will undo all of the things me and my husband did". Wasn't great

for all the talk about how Gore should have embraced Bill more maybe Hillary should have done the same instead of running away from his record.
 
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