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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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A investigation needs to be launched, based on the results, every effort needs to be done to find another candidate or regroup behind one. Not Bernie, moderates have made their judgement. Notably, this is why campaigns "suspend" instead of ending it. Maybe a unity ticket.
In a just world, if the allegations are true, Biden would step down, but doubt that will happen, Obama will 100% decide how to proceed and force the party forward. I hope to god he can make the right decision if this turns true and force Biden out.
In a just world, if the allegations are true, Biden would step down, but doubt that will happen, Obama will 100% decide how to proceed and force the party forward. I hope to god he can make the right decision if this turns true and force Biden out.
Ok.
Yeah, I get what you mean. I'm honestly feeling resentful against Biden and Bernie for deciding to run.
How do you know Adam is a transphobe? Is it just the Hillary avatar? If so, then your argument is pretty weak.
I live in Oregon so my vote won't matter much so I am going to write Warren and vote Dem on the downballot
Fuck this shit
Fuck this shit
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To be fair, all he got called was a TERF lover, not a TERF. Seems fair to me.
So you're taking Sphag's accusation with no proof whatsoever at face value?
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Could also have gone with slaveowner lover. That would have been fair as well.
Again everything is about him,I love have everything is tied to his image
Let me put it this way: people got bans for trying to talk around Sanders promoting Rogan's endorsement. Sure, fine, I can live with that, Rogan's no friend of mine and I'm with AOC that it was actually not great for the people who were already supporting him (I recall seeing some reporting a few weeks back that the Rogan thing actually made her back off active support on his campaign, though I can't recall where it is and that's immaterial).
If we can have these sorts of discussions about Sanders and Rogan then I think we seriously need to think about how we talk about and boost Clinton's image on this OT, because she's definitely been making TERF arguments in her public comeback tour. I voted for her in 2016 but I am absolutely happy never hearing from or seeing her ever again, because she's made it very clear where her ethical priorities lie.
Felt that way from the get-go. You got people with 100% name rec and it's shocking that it ended up in a 1 on 1 and it's shocking that Bernie did worse against someone less hated than Hillary. Nothing in this fucking primary was shocking. Not even Biden getting #metoo'd was shocking. Only shocking part of this was coronavirus and Bloomberg's brief stint. Fucking democracy in action.
Just remember, you're not choosing a President. You'd get a President regardless. You're choosing which one you'd rather have.
True. People made their choice in who they wanted to vote for.
Kadia Goba @kadiagobaNEWS: Mnuchin says he expects checks to Americans to go out in three weeks.
6:22 PM - Mar 25, 2020
Apologies, y'all. I've been trying to keep myself distracted. What's the progress on the bill so far? Has the Senate voted on it yet or are we still stuck on Graham etc being angry that the common folk are daring to get a smidgen of assistance alongside the corporations' handouts?
I do not know what is in Adam's heart of hearts. That is between himself and whichever eldritch gods were deigned fit to script our universe.
I do know how he comports himself on this forum and it does not speak kindly to his deeper character.
Still in the Senate, but will likely be cleared now that Trump has called for it to pass.
This is where I am, largely--in the face of a credible allegation on this level the discussion should move to who Biden should be throwing his supporters to. I don't know who, but ideally Biden's campaign would know who best slots into his generic Dem spot and would hit the right markers to sustain his support. This is all insanely uncharted waters, though, and a lot of the discussion I've seen floating around just assumes that if this knocks Biden out Bernie gets coronated, which makes me nervous as hell.
The behavior is not okay. This story as relayed if found to be credible (and it sounds like it may be) should remove Biden from consideration. But after the infinite primary tarnishing everyone's view of everyone, I don't even know who slots into that spot without causing issues.
You're just choosing policy, it's why getting excited about politicians is generally a bad idea. I mean it would be nice to be "inspired" by a candidate or whatever, but it's secondary. Albeit, that excitement gets people to the polls, but so does hate so it goes various ways there too. You vote Dem if you want the trifecta. If you don't want it, okay then.
Being in Oregon too, I'm on the same page. I was gonna vote Biden but this rape thing is too far, I can't justify it.
Daniel Dale @ddale8Asked about his tweet this evening alleging the media wants social restrictions so he'll lose, he elaborates, claiming some "people in your profession" want the economy to tank so it'll be easier to beat him. He singles out reporters in the room he claims write "fake news."
6:20 PM - Mar 25, 2020
Eli Stokols @EliStokolsTrump finishes this off by stating that if not for him and his team "you wouldn't even have a country left." https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1242939501913276417 …
6:24 PM - Mar 25, 2020 · Washington, DC
Again, your issue is with Clinton herself. How has Adam promoted TERF philosophy? Is the mere image of Clinton some kind of consent on his part with that philosophy? Or has he advocated for that somewhere else?
For the record, I agree with you. But I think the question here is whether your comments about TERFs have anything to do with what Adam said.
Lotta people still gonna hurt. Rents due soon and then when people start getting those checks rent will be due again.
While I would never tell a trans person how to feel about it, I do think it's worth pointing out that Rogan (and Cenk) are unapologetic transphobes whereas Clinton has apologized and said that she believes that trans rights are human rights. There's a degree of separation there.
Biden was always my least favorite option among the last handful of major candidates, and there were plenty who dropped out before Iowa I preferred over him. To my mind, Biden's usefulness has always been solely as a vehicle for getting us a woman vice president, progressive judges on SCOTUS and elsewhere, and a Democratic Congress that can pass progressive legislation.
They're both great. Ron Wyden is a big nerd though, he'd do worse than Inslee. Merkley doesn't have great stage presence either unfortunately.
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Fauci just noped out of a question and walked away from the podium and Trump was like 'welcome to my world!'
You do realize that Clinton apologized for those comments, right?
Where's all of the forgiveness that you showed to Sanders when he didn't cancel Rogan's endorsements?
Without watching today's shitshow, that sounds like an OAN joint
We are running into Hillary 2.0 again, i honestly believe the only way to actually unite the party is for Obama (the figure with the most power in the party) to just come in and tell Biden to get out, if he refuses, set up the DNC to vote in another. Literally we will be engaging in the behavior 2016 the DNC was accused of, but if Biden really is a rapist, we must do it. My hope, a unity ticket with Bernie - Moderate or likely Moderate - Bernie.
Usually, these cases are corroborated by accounts given years ago to friends of the victim.
We should take it seriously and investigate it, there are things that may come out to support (or not) the accusation.
Not to mention Clinton's sin is just one step removed from promoting Rogan. Clinton was basically saying "we should hear out TERFs in order to change them" which is shitty as fuck, but it's not the same as actually being a terf. Promoting Rogan is amplifying a transphobe, though it's not highlighting his transphobeness so it's not quite as bad, a different degree from Hillary's deal.
Ended up voting for Bernie in the primary despite that, cause I have a gun to my head electorally and I have to be able to perceive degrees of things. I don't consider Bernie supporters or people with Bernie avatars to be TERFs or transphobes.
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Yeah, I mean I just care about margins so that's why I was fine with Biden. I "wanted" Warren but was aware of the potential margin shortcomings in comparison. Anyway, I don't think this will change much at all, but if it does, okay then.
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