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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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Don't sore loser laws prevent this? Looking at it now she would only be able to be on the ballot for 3 states
This might be a deep cut
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes
That's the thing. A lot of people wishing for China's authoritarian lockdown and monitoring of people by cell phone. Hey, maybe instead let's first try getting an adequate supply of tests and testing everyone we can, before we give unlimited power to the government.
Korea is monitoring people by cell phone though. I'm pretty sure all of the Eastern Asian countries are doing this monitoring. It just wouldn't stand in Europe.
South Korea to step-up online coronavirus tracking
South Korea is set to deploy a new system using data such as surveillance camera footage and credit card transactions of confirmed coronavirus patients to recreate their movements.
www.smartcitiesworld.net
Korea is monitoring people by cell phone though. I'm pretty sure all of the Eastern Asian countries are doing this monitoring. It just wouldn't stand in Europe.
South Korea to step-up online coronavirus tracking
South Korea is set to deploy a new system using data such as surveillance camera footage and credit card transactions of confirmed coronavirus patients to recreate their movements.
Yeah, I realize it's not just China doing pervasive monitoring, though they seem to be the most authoritarian about it.
Nevertheless I think what we have to focus on is rigorous testing, contact tracing, adequate health care supplies, and building new hospital beds— not jump straight to intrusive government monitoring.
It just occurred to me that the inevitable conclusion of where trump is taking the Chinese virus stuff is that he will
ask China to pay reparations, and will make it a campaign/MAGA issue
To answer a question from last page, I'd have to assume unemployed people as of the moment the bill passed would get checks. Like, that's kinda half the point?
Well, it's not unique to China. EVERYONE will continuously export more cases once there's a chance. China starting to function like normal again is a test for the rest of the planet on how easy new waves of infections might be, so we should be thankful, actually? It's that or lock everyone in their homes for 18 months and wait for a vaccine. Plus, China would test and pre-quarantine people because they sure as hell don't want to be blamed for restarting the whole process.
Even Ilhan getting licks in. Bernie's campaign must've been an absolute shit show BTS and i can't wait to hear all about it in a scandalous Politico article in a month.
Seriously. Everything that's come out about it so far is just a series of bridge burning behind and in front of the scenes. He somehow managed to grind his relationship with the squad and Warren down and not even endorse Markey, better yet get anyone outside his corner on his side. Well, he had De Blasio and Orb lady in the end.
Even Ilhan getting licks in. Bernie's campaign must've been an absolute shit show BTS and i can't wait to hear all about it in a scandalous Politico article in a month.
Yes Politico is the fair and balanced place where I go for my Bernie dirt...
Even Ilhan getting licks in. Bernie's campaign must've been an absolute shit show BTS and i can't wait to hear all about it in a scandalous Politico article in a month.
I'd like to imagine the Squad has a group text and they all have talked shit about Sirota, Turner, and Brie.
Even Ilhan getting licks in. Bernie's campaign must've been an absolute shit show BTS and i can't wait to hear all about it in a scandalous Politico article in a month.
They actively damaged his campaign through their bullshit and hubris.
Remember when he endorsed Cenk after his California staff urged him not to?
I do indeed. I wonder what the bounce around for that unforced error was.
I suspect it is just working towards more general "I told you foreigners are the cause of all our problems" messaging.
If he starts suggesting China reparations specifically then that will raise questions of why Mexico never paid for the wall. Of course the expected retort to that will be how Mexico and China paid for everything with tariffs.
If Trump's best strategy is going to be "look, China is evil in another new way!" that's not a terribly powerful message. It's not nothing on claiming Mexico will pay for the wall, that's for sure. Plus no sane American (as in, anyone who wasn't going to vote for Trump already) cares about that. Especially considering he keeps bragging about how much he "shut down" China at the start or whatever lies those are, people aren't falling for it.
He's perhaps realized this week that his best shot of re-election is, shudder, handling this crisis well. He's got freaking nothing else to run on with the economy going to shit, and no dramatic legislation passed other than a tax cut for the wealthy. Health care was already the top issue for voters, and this crisis emphasizes he's done less than nothing on that front for 4 years.
He's perhaps realized this week that his best shot of re-election is, shudder, handling this crisis well. He's got freaking nothing else to run on with the economy going to shit, and no dramatic legislation passed other than a tax cut for the wealthy. Health care was already the top issue for voters, and this crisis emphasizes he's done less than nothing on that front for 4 years.
Pretty much. "B-b-b-but China!" won't cut it.
This is probably my biggest gripe with him and his campaign. With that news coming out stating that his campaign failed to meet halfway with Warren's, months ago, when she didn't see her campaign going anywhere. And this was either before or after unnecessarily antagonising Warren, who had always been a courteous, established ally. Either he doesn't think things through, or he has no command of his own campaign, or he just naturally treats existing or potential allies as disposable goods. All his smaller errors (here and there) I can live with, but throwing allies under the bus is just idiotic.
Some more background on the House Financial Services committee proposal:
McConnell wants to ram a bill through the Senate and force the House to swallow it. Pelosi wants to get the House bill passed ASAP so they at least have something to contrast with the Republicans' bill. McConnell has repeatedly rejected offers to negotiate with Pelosi and McCarthy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi remembers how the Senate Democrats screwed over the House on the ICE detention centers bill. Better to get their bill out first so the Senate can't cut their legs off again.
McConnell wants to ram a bill through the Senate and force the House to swallow it. Pelosi wants to get the House bill passed ASAP so they at least have something to contrast with the Republicans' bill. McConnell has repeatedly rejected offers to negotiate with Pelosi and McCarthy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi remembers how the Senate Democrats screwed over the House on the ICE detention centers bill. Better to get their bill out first so the Senate can't cut their legs off again.
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Why does McConnell only want Schumer in negotiations? Is he scared of Pelosi? lmao
I think McConnell likes having control. In the Senate, he has the upper hand by virtue of having a majority, even if he has to get at least 7 Democrats to support the final bill.
Even Ilhan getting licks in. Bernie's campaign must've been an absolute shit show BTS and i can't wait to hear all about it in a scandalous Politico article in a month.
Loyalty is an admirable trait, but it's deeply disappointing that Bernie didn't cut bait with more of those clowns. Just thinking of some of those "posting-to-praxis pipeline" dipshits riding his coattails all the way to the White House makes me feel like we dodged a bullet.
I know that the "I was radicalized by a podcast" crowd has already canceled her over Liking that Liz Warren video, but AOC has preternaturally sharp political instincts and the movement couldn't ask for a better steward in the years to come.
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You would think these people would wisen up after Mexico never ended up paying for his wall. You would think.
Dems should not give a fuck about what Trump calls it and just hammer the slow response.
Any voter who cared about what the Virus is called is already either voting or not voting Trump. This is what Trump is perfectly fine discussing.
Any voter who cared about what the Virus is called is already either voting or not voting Trump. This is what Trump is perfectly fine discussing.
I remember Bannon talking about how it was a mistake for the Clinton campaign to waste time/resources appealing to anti-racists because she already had them locked in, i think the same can be said about trump and his reliance on saying mean things about brown people/foreigners.
He used THE CARAVAN(tm) to try and get their base fired up for the mid terms, it was a historic blue wave.
Downplaying the virus publicly, doing everything in their power to try and cover up the virus while it was spreading, bungling his response when he had to acknowledge the severity of the situation, then refusing to take responsibility while the stock market is plummeting isn't going to be solved by blaming foreigners for the virus. He's already got those people locked in.
He used THE CARAVAN(tm) to try and get their base fired up for the mid terms, it was a historic blue wave.
Downplaying the virus publicly, doing everything in their power to try and cover up the virus while it was spreading, bungling his response when he had to acknowledge the severity of the situation, then refusing to take responsibility while the stock market is plummeting isn't going to be solved by blaming foreigners for the virus. He's already got those people locked in.
Being Chinese, I actually find this the best way to go about it.
Democrats need to whittle it down to two big points:
1. He disbanded the Pandemic team.
2. Testing is a disaster.
Keep hammering those. Clearly, and concisely in everything. "He's using racist rhetoric because he'd rather argue about that than answer for disbanding the pandemic team and the testing disaster that will put millions in jeopardy."
These points need to become the new emails but for the dem side. I want investigations and hearings as soon as we've got some response bills out.
Edit: well, shit, basically say this:
1. He disbanded the Pandemic team.
2. Testing is a disaster.
Keep hammering those. Clearly, and concisely in everything. "He's using racist rhetoric because he'd rather argue about that than answer for disbanding the pandemic team and the testing disaster that will put millions in jeopardy."
These points need to become the new emails but for the dem side. I want investigations and hearings as soon as we've got some response bills out.
Edit: well, shit, basically say this:
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Exactly, Banon liked to use the term "Flooding the zone with shit" which was just a way to describe Trump's natural impulses. Narratives stick in people's minds with repetition, focus on the ones that are most egregious to the most number of people and we'll have the best opportunity to break through.
I don't worry that Trump is outflanking Dems on the left per se, but I do worry about him seizing the potential opportunity that a deep recession (or depression) offers to push the GOP towards a hardcore whites-only socialism/herrenvolk government/apartheid welfare ideology that strengthens the safety net for some but punishes "outsiders." We are entering very uncertain territory with a desperate demagogue in the bully pulpit, and I don't think Dems are prepared to fight that ideology off very effectively, or that the media is capable of coping with it. The guardrails against it have historically been within the parties themselves, and I don't think they exist for the GOP anymore. Watch out for Bannon gaining influence.
Yep, that's the real danger. Far-right in Europe has already figured it out.
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