I'm not bothered by it personally, if Trump really is boned its cause of the state level investigations and the NY AG; if he gets away, no amount of federal investigations would have changed that.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT11| Biden our time until Jan 20th
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With the latter, I think that was expected to be the previous state of affairs, (prior to trump and with a notable exception of Nixon)at the very least in the rhetorical sense. So I think Biden is doing the right thing in being hands off in his response, and this is a question, primarily for the DoJ as headed under Biden's attorney general.
The President shouldn't be dictating any investigations. If sufficient suspicion and evidence is present then those parties (DOJ, states, maaaybe congress) should follow those and see what comes of them. Those parties should be independent to the whims of a President, I know the last 4 years has thrown off the norms but that's the normal process.
I think it was a combination of all three? It seems like Biden did a poor job turning out democratic leaning voters, but he was able to appeal to enough moderates to do decently well in the PV. And Biden was successful at distancing himself from the national dem party in the suburbs, but not in the rural and more isolated areas.
The democratic brand just seems really weak in general right now. I think they did even worse in the state legislatures than they did in the House, but I'll need to see all of the data before I can say that for sure
I want Biden to have a huge symbolic event where he takes down the extra and unnecessary security walls outside the White House that Trump put up to keep tourists away.
Like, the exact moment Biden is inaugurated, I want him to point to a construction crew offscreen that just rolls in and immediately starts swinging wrecking balls around to bring the extra walls down like the Berlin Wall.
This is true, maybe he checked and couldn't find any good golf courses he owns nearby.
But I thought the virus was supposed to disappear on Nov. 4??
Ted Cruz gauranteed it. Yesterday TX hit a new ATH for daily cases, nearly 33% above the previous high. The 7-day moving average of deaths has doubled in the last month.
Biden signaling that he's going to go ham on Federal investigations would only make Barr go scorched earth harder in the next two months, especially with pardons. For the sake of justice it's better not to rock the boat with these people yet.
Let's see how Emily Murphy and McGahn and DeJoy feel about a congressional subpoena when the DoJ doesn't have their backs.
Let's see how Emily Murphy and McGahn and DeJoy feel about a congressional subpoena when the DoJ doesn't have their backs.
I don't understand folks that won't answers to questions that don't mean much now or worse kick over a hornet nests. Time is not on their side, no need to telegraph shit that only does the criminals favors
Fuck yeah
Lets see some consequences levied. I am not a vindictive person but letting Trump's cohorts walk free is sending the wrong message
2021 kind of has to be a reckoning in some ways
Good ol local level dems doing their best.
Nothing like treating your fellow man like a walking bag of money.
Nothing like treating your fellow man like a walking bag of money.
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Oh they will all suddenly find their "fortitude" and "patriotism" and "respect for the institution of Congress" blah blah blah come Jan 21st.
Brendan Nyhan @BrendanNyhan
The circular voter fraud grift:
-GOP elites: The election was stolen!
-GOP identifiers: The election was stolen
-GOP elites: We must address these concerns that the election was stolen
Jon Ward @jonward11
"When @JohnJamesMI says he's troubled that half of Michigan's voters feel they were cheated, he would do well to remember that he was the one telling them they got cheated in the first place."
11:59 AM · Nov 25, 2020
12:21 PM · Nov 25, 2020
The circular voter fraud grift:
-GOP elites: The election was stolen!
-GOP identifiers: The election was stolen
-GOP elites: We must address these concerns that the election was stolen
Jon Ward @jonward11
"When @JohnJamesMI says he's troubled that half of Michigan's voters feel they were cheated, he would do well to remember that he was the one telling them they got cheated in the first place."
11:59 AM · Nov 25, 2020
R-leaning, Trump-hating moderates were able to express their disapproval of Trump by voting for Biden at the top of the ticket, clearing their consciences to vote for Rs down the rest of the ballot. This is an option they didn't have in 2018; to vote against Trump, they had to vote against the Republican House candidate and/or other downballot Rs.
That's the most plausible explanation I've seen.
Biden is the president, not the Attorney General. He's said over and over he won't be leaning on the DOJ one way or another, as a president shouldn't.
I really do wonder what the plan is for this event. I really want to attend but I have to imagine COVID is going to play a big part in the planning.
Needing to investigate the preceding President and his administration for a litany of crimes is lightyears beyond the ordinary course of business. It's inherently political, even though it shouldn't be, and blurs all lines of "decorum", "norms", etc.
As much as there will be public statements of a purely independent Justice Department, the next Attorney General isn't going to investigate Trump and Friends without having permission to do so from the White House.
I'll be shocked if he isn't pardoned before the end of Trump's term.
Why would trump pardon him? He failed his job, as much as he rails on mail votes, you know he knows who is in charge of them
I want an AG that will go after Trump. Biden shouldn't push for that, and an AG candidate that seems to be open to it won't pass the Senate confirmation (assuming we lose GA). At the very least, Biden needs to give some cover for the AG to do it, which it seems like he's doing so far. He's not closing the door to it. He'd be a fool to do so. Never mind the way Trump went after his family, he will not be quiet like former Presidents. To give him a free pass for Federal crimes will send a terrible message, and only serves to undermine Biden.
Where this gets interesting is when Clown self-pardons, which I believe is very likely. That needs to be tested in the courts. Otherwise, it becomes de facto precedent for a future equally corrupt but even worse Republican President.
Where this gets interesting is when Clown self-pardons, which I believe is very likely. That needs to be tested in the courts. Otherwise, it becomes de facto precedent for a future equally corrupt but even worse Republican President.
Because he gave him money. It's how he got the job in the first place.
Also, Trump promised pardons to people before. I'm almost positive it happened here, too.
I think it is probably smarter to sit back and let the NY AG go after him.
If the NYT report was correct, his taxes are loaded with separate counts of fraud, all of which have a penalty of a couple of years in prison. The grand jury has his taxes and he fought to keep them private, so my guess is the NYT report is accurate.
I also worry about the political blowback of going after him. People will accuse Biden of being scared of facing him in 2024, and that could motivate even more voters to come out for Trump.
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Pennsylvania Slams Judge’s ‘Overreach’ in Certification Ruling
Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
Education is also a factor. GA sticks out pretty clearly in the South
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Pennsylvania Slams Judge’s ‘Overreach’ in Certification Ruling
Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
So what does it stop?
Pa. Commonwealth Court orders halt to certification process in down ballot races; state appeals decision
Pennsylvania is prohibited from certifying the rest of its election results in down ballot races — and from taking any further action in regards...
www.post-gazette.com
Again, though.... what does it block? Seems like the process is already played out.
Doesn't seem like anything much. I guess other races that haven't been certified? But certifications I'd think apply to all races, not just some.
"How are you gonna tell us we can't seek justice for a man who injured the state when the president just gave him a hall pass?"
Arguing that your own legislative action is unconstitutional and that the unconstitutionality of that action should result in millions of voters being disenfranchised is an interesting argument to make. And by interesting I mean idiotic.Was this posted?
Pennsylvania Slams Judge’s ‘Overreach’ in Certification Ruling
Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf and other state officials assailed a Pittsburgh judge for issuing what they described as an unprecedented order halting additional steps in the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.
Even if the GOP won the ruling the end result would be that future elections wouldn't be able to use the expanded rules. No court, not even courts run by crazy Trump judges, are going to rule in a way that punishes voters who believed that they were following the established election laws at the time.
The PA house and senate already said knock it off, and there was a time limit to sue that expired in Feb. I don't see how this doesn't get thrown out, but 2020
I assume he's referencing the dow being over 30k. Not realizing that the roaring 20s of unbridled capitalism resulted in the greatest economic disaster in modern history.
well shit, I didn't even know the state charges against Manafort were dismissed in the first place.
And the judge is kind of a moron right? The bit about "otherwise blameless life" and all.
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