I am excited to see how Biden performs in a one on one debate. I'm assuming much better.
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I am excited to see how Biden performs in a one on one debate. I'm assuming much better.
It'll be interesting. Sanders is going to be desperate as fuck and go all in on attacking Biden. It'll be on Biden to prepare himself well.
I'm not ruling out a poor Biden performance and thus a swing back to Bernie.
I do feel kinda bad about it. I wish we'd been sitting behind Elaine Chao while Mitch was speaking instead.
I'm skeptical a poor Biden performance will even matter. Especially considering when in the race this will be.
Ill rephrase to be more specific "...resulting in a minor but noticeable bump for Bernie in the polls."
Yeah. Next weekend will be the last time Sanders is on a debate stage and I am so bummed out.
Based one debate, you think that people are going to suddenly realize who Biden and Bernie are after 40 years in public service - and a million senior citizens and cuban americans in Florida are going to swing their vote to a democratic socialist?
I think Biden will be fine. More time for him to make his point isn't a negative I think. Having to condense what you're trying to say is harder. Two people on stage is also easier to control. Even if Sanders decides to be super aggressive that can easily backfire as well. Between the two he is the one with the like-ability issue and it could be see again as him doing damage to the likely nominee like he did with Hillary.
Well, if it makes you feel better, I highly doubt Bernie drops out. So, we'll probably have a few more pointless debates.
Why does it feel like Dems aren't doing oversight anymore? Am I just missing news about it? Between Barr and the Coronavirus "response" alone there should be tons going on
Once Sanders loses in MI, whose primary happens five days before the debate, it's over.
I think the public is fickle, yes.
I'm not trying to say Bernie will REVERSE things, I'm saying that a disastrous Biden performance could result in a poll bump for Bernie which would cause the media to go into "IT'S A HORSE RACE, THE SOCIALIST MONSTER IS COMING, DEMS IN DISARY." I really don't think this is a crazy worry to have.
Remember when Obama tried to create job training for WV coal miners? And instead of opting into the training, they voted for Trump on the promise of job growth in the coal industry?
Yeah.
I think they're just out of levers to pull. Impeachment was an airtight case, and you saw how that went. There's no reason to pass legislation, because it just ends up in Mitch's junk drawer. The courts have been one avenue to check the admin, but with the recent decision denying the House Dems standing to sue on emoluments issues, it's pretty clear that it's not going to be effective in a lot of cases.
This is short-sighted though, because they need to be making these things news. There's no question Republicans would be hammering Dems nonstop about the Coronavirus if their roles were reversed. This isn't just about the presidency but about informing the public and affecting ALL of the races up and down the ballot in 2020. If Dems do nothing then it just looks like there is nothing there because "if there was something bad going on, Dems would be saying something"
It feels like that because we took our best shot, it was deflected because nothing matters any more, and there's so much shit bombarding voters that it's difficult to block everything out and focus on one single issue.
I think Dem leadership is resigned to the fact that the only thing that can stop this train is them holding the House and/or winning in November. Until then we're left trying to plug holes with our fingers while the general public just wants to curl up into a ball and die.
"Department of Peace." That's when I knew never to take Kucinich seriously (and I already knew about the UFOs and the teabag he keeps in his coat pocket).
Nice sentiment, but "Beyond the Pale" can be construed as anti-Semitic.
Biden could get 1,991 delegates before the convention and I imagine Bernie would still stay in unfortunately.
didn't stop him in 2016, no reason to think he would stop now. They guy isn't known for changing
Coronavirus is a tricky thing. The way I look at it Ebola was easy, there was little chance of it spreading around the US due to how it is contracted, but it is well understood so it's easy to message around. Basically, there was little chance of a major outbreak that would result in large numbers of deaths- so there was no chance of looking like you were politicizing the deaths of thousands of people while their families were mourning. Coronavirus, by contrast, could really be a big deal, so you don't want to look like you're playing with people's lives. Instead, Dems are trying to lead at the State level, and let Trump blunder his way forward and hope that the fickle public doesn't forget how incompetent he is.
There's also the issue that NOTHING seems to really move the needle anymore. At some point we need to remember that the Party is led by people, people who get tired, and demoralized, and have been banging their head against the wall for three years without a break. If they were having success in the courts, or in the polls, it would be something to give them strength, but if you aren't seeing that then it becomes hard to keep fighting with the same intensity we had a couple months ago over Ukraine.
Instead they're shifting their focus to the election. It's the best opportunity to exercise real oversight at this point.
He is likely referring The Pale from old Soviet Union.
"Beyond the pale" the phrase dates back longer.
It's a stretch.
I think the thing is though this is an issue Trump is uniquely weak on and can be extremely effective this November, because it's going to affect people all over the country in a real way, regardless of where they live. People already don't trust Trump when it comes to healthcare, and Dems need to keep twisting the knife in that wound. Dems need to be making the case every day that Trump failed in his administration's response to this, that he was more interested in protecting the stock market than protecting the people. This can't be a "Washington has failed" story, it has to be a "Trump has failed" story.
The "pale" in this phrase refers to the Ashdown Forest in the UK. "beyond the pale" is considered to mean "beyond the boundary".
There is the Pale of Settlement which refers to the Russian settlement where Jews were forbidden to inhabit before, during, and even after the 19th century. This phrase has gotten mixed in with the expression a bit over time.
Horrid numbers for Sanders - WA was supposed to be a safe state for him.
Biden camp indirectly reaching out to Sanders supporters.
Is this the first time Joe mentioned raising the minimum wage? Based on the Bernie fans in his mentions it seems so.
But what form would that take? There's no dedicated vehicle for dispensing Democratic opinions, as the media has been shown to have their own agenda (and TBF, they've been hammering Trump nonstop on the atrocious response to COVID-19).
They've only been able to get traction on coverage when there have been actual procedural events taking place: the release of the Mueller Report, the impeachment proceedings, and the government shutdowns.
As SpitztheGreat says above, they've chosen to spend their media capital by giving space to the presidential candidates, and focus on wining the election. It seems like the only tangible path to stopping Trump, so that's the basket in which they've put their eggs.
I feel the same frustration you do, and often find myself asking "why don't the do something?" But the reality is that many of the actions of the Trump administration that I've personally found shocking and horrifying, just haven't stuck in the media cycle.
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