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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Pretty fantastic and well argued counter to the "Bernie needs impossible youth turnout to win" that relies on what we already know about self reporting accuracy but it's probably too late for him anyways so great!
www.peoplespolicyproject.org
Study Showing Bernie Needs Huge Youth Turnout Is Nonsense
The paper's core claim is based on a simple math error.
www.peoplespolicyproject.org
Electability!
Pretty fantastic and well argued counter to the "Bernie needs impossible youth turnout to win" that relies on what we already know about self reporting accuracy but it's probably too late for him anyways so great!
Study Showing Bernie Needs Huge Youth Turnout Is Nonsense
The paper's core claim is based on a simple math error.
Electability!
What about if we simulate 2018 turnout patterns?
Meghan McCain @MeghanMcCainAny woman who gets in the arena and fights as hard as Elizabeth Warren did deserves respect (and I'm a hardcore conservative). It is not an even playing field for us against men and I hope some day it finally will be. She also skillfully nuked Bloomberg from@space in the debates. https://twitter.com/abc/status/1235626107203989505 …
8:48 PM - Mar 5, 2020
Warren going in on online Sanders supporters exposing personal addresses and info of women, with threats, including women in the working families party. Says candidates are responsible for people who claim to be supporters but do this, and is a particular sanders problem.
I can predict people now just skipping to the "fuck off" when referring to Warren.
I can predict people now just skipping to the "fuck off" when referring to Warren.
This is the thing about Biden, he seems genuine. I also get that feeling from Bernie; he believes in what he's saying. Both of them are the most "genuine" sounding candidates, and I think that's really the reason they are the ones who are left. Warren also has this quality, but sexism and bad campaign management more or less sunk her.
The rest of the recent field (mostly Pete, also Klob) just seemed like opportunist, pandering politicians.
She's articulating it realy well too, giving real life examples.
Lmfao. With only two candidates left, he will probably get somewhat of a boost but if he gets half of 32%, he should be celebrating.
Of course not.
Yes, there are clearly people who believe Biden is a strong progressive. It means different things to different people.
That woman is voting for Biden in the general to beat Trump. It is more important to her than many issues apparently.
And you're right, they aren't mutually exclusive.
I just realized that people may read my comments as blaming people for Biden being our nominee or something like it.
I too am motivated to stop Trump. They voted for the person they think is best positioned to do that as did I.
All I'm saying is that, in terms of weight, the Trump issue is the largest for most voters.
some people??? harass and doxx women who aren't sufficiently deferential to their preferred candidate??? to cope??? with the cost of insulin???
Overall pretty similar to what I'm expecting the 538 model to look like, but... is Delaware really going to be that close? I suspect they're too reliant on 2016 in some cases.
For anyone not watching, Warren's solution is that Bernie should hire social media people to basically read comments on campaign Tweets and stuff, and then denounce the bad actors. It's literally the smartest possible solution, but it would require a modicum of self reflection from Bernie.
So, that's out then.
So, that's out then.
Doing an interview with Maddow.
southpaw@nycsouthpawOne of the asymmetries I think exists in American politics is that Republicans are just better at repeating a thing until people figure it must be something. https://twitter.com/amy_siskind/status/1235743555261472770 …
9:24 PM - Mar 5, 2020
Yep. She said she thinks he is a decent human being. She worked with him during the CFPB thing, and while they may approach issues from a different direction, she has no doubt he cares about people and problems, etc.
Warren makes good points about online toxicity but here is what is wrong with her campaign; it lived and died on Twitter. The vast majority of Bernie's supporters are not assholes, they are just normal people. Beyond denouncing the assholes on the national stage multiple times and firing problematic staffers, there is nothing much that I expect to be done about it. Twitter is a shitshow, as is most of the internet. Hiring moderators from your campaign seems to be a waste of time and resources; twitter is not real life.
This type of rhetoric hits close to me because it eerily reminds me of stereotypes against arabs/muslims, and how a minority of bad actors represents the entire group. Of course, it's not that severe, but the rhetoric is very similar to when people say Muslims should denounce terrorism over and over again, when the vast majority of them are just normal people. In this thread we are lumping everyone who acts like a shithead on twitter as "Bernie supporters" or "Bernie bros" when that's simply not true.
This type of rhetoric hits close to me because it eerily reminds me of stereotypes against arabs/muslims, and how a minority of bad actors represents the entire group. Of course, it's not that severe, but the rhetoric is very similar to when people say Muslims should denounce terrorism over and over again, when the vast majority of them are just normal people. In this thread we are lumping everyone who acts like a shithead on twitter as "Bernie supporters" or "Bernie bros" when that's simply not true.
Said he's a fundamentally decent man with whom she has disagreed with on policy, but believes they both want to do right by the working class, even if coming from different perspectives. Had very nice things to say about Bernie too before the online followers question.
The toxic behavior comes straight from his campaign though, from staffers, and even himself.
So it's not the same.
Except her whole point was about how yes, there is something you should do about it beyond denouncing the assholes.
Pretty fantastic and well argued counter to the "Bernie needs impossible youth turnout to win" that relies on what we already know about self reporting accuracy but it's probably too late for him anyways so great!
Study Showing Bernie Needs Huge Youth Turnout Is Nonsense
The paper's core claim is based on a simple math error.
Electability!
I have always suspected this but had no data to back it up. Both are similarly electable. Biden is simply better at politics and endorsements, which is admittedly a really important quality.
Can confirm. I remember a workplace colleague of my wife's saying that "There must be something up with Hillary, because they keep on mentioning shit with her". He was a massively sexist arse, though.
Chances of Warren endorsement of Biden increasing.
I can't fathom running for president and caring about mean Bernie people online. It just blows my mind, genuinely. Warren's going to endorse whoever's likely to win, because that's who she is, but she's hedging right now with mean twitter people to make it seem plausible.
Because, just throwing it out there, Warren might well care about the people who are the targets of the bad actors and suffer because of them.
It's basically what Bernie said about Biden too.
Actual real people came to her about how they were harrassed. It blows my mind that people think this is meaningless and confined to extremely online trolls.
Temperament is extremely important. Sadly people love personality cults, despite them always being bad.
He's said numerous times he denounces these types of supporters, disowns them, and doesn't want them. While giving examples of toxicity that his campaign receives as well. His response to that is enough for me, because quite frankly the internet is toxic and will remain so.
And you can say "it's not the same" but I am giving you my lived experience with it, and it feels very similar, and my visceral response to it is similar. I of course acknowledge anti-brown person propaganda is more far reaching and damaging in scope, because again, I've lived it.
Hiring twitter moderators is not a solution to internet toxicity. Quite frankly, twitter political toxicity is not a major day to day issue for anyone I know who is politically engaged, regardless of their standing or candidate support.
I have a feeling many of you guys are a bit tunnel visioned on online political discourse and exaggerating its importance. This is normal, since many of us spend lots of time on the internet discussing politics. But I've said time and again, twitter beef does not translate to real life in any meaningful way, unless one lives their entire life online.
Nevertheless toxicity should always be denounced; online harassment is real and can be damaging. In my view Bernie has done enough to placate and denounce shite actions by bad actors.
Bernie has been asked about the toxic behavior of his followers in every debate and every national interview he's taken part in. It's absolutely played a part in shaping public perception of his supporters and, by association, of him. He's already seen as somewhat divisive and this definitely does not help. I can't fathom believing this is just an issue for Twitter people.
I think Warren waits for the results Tuesday night before making a decision. If Biden wins decisively in a few days, she hops on the bandwagon. Otherwise she continues to hold out or just endorse Bernie if he does well enough on Tuesday.
The actions of his staffers don't bother you then? Or Bernie's dismissive attitude?
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