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Dr. Benton Quest

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Bloomberg being Biden's sugar daddy is not gonna help if Biden massively shits the bed in a debate or some other televised event. Also, better pray Biden surrounds himself with people who are capable of assuming all his responsibilities as president at any time cause he's not looking good at all.
Debates only move the needle for people who get obliterated.

Maybe Joe should just not debate.

If the Dem primary debates are anything to go by, I hope he doesn't.
 

devSin

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Bloomberg being Biden's sugar daddy is not gonna help if Biden massively shits the bed in a debate or some other televised event. Also, better pray Biden surrounds himself with people who are capable of assuming all his responsibilities as president at any time cause he's not looking good at all.
Bernie is the one who just had a heart attack.

The fact is running any of these guys was hugely irresponsible. It should never have been allowed.

But that's where we're at, and we're going with the one who can win. If he dies in office, so be it. I'm sure his VP pick will be better than anyone Bernie would conjure up.
 

Soul Skater

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Joe did advocate for it but I don't think anyone believes he's going to. It conflicts too much with his brand. So this is a waste of time

A non insignificant chuck of people think he supports m4a ffs
 

SwordsmanofS

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Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders

Get real, Joe. One of us has a history of not only fighting cuts to Social Security but working to expand benefits. And that's why we are the campaign best positioned to defeat Donald Trump. https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1235733748563533824 …

8:15 PM - Mar 5, 2020

This tweet right here is an example of my last post. It has more than twice the likes of Biden's tweet, and most of his tweets get more than that. Young people, both in the US and abroad, like just about anything he says. Yet he's getting creamed in actual elections.

It's easier to click the heart icon on Twitter than to actually go out on a Tuesday and vote. Young folks are fickle. I know. Back in 2012 when I was all of 23 I had to be nagged to death to vote.
 

Jiggy

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Because Bernie escalated the rhetoric when he became the front runner and that didn't help him. Biden is playing good politics here, nothing out of the ordinary, but still.

Every candidate (including Biden!) went scorched Earth on Bernie on Nevada. Because he was the frontrunner and they all wanted to pull him down. Now Biden is the frontrunner and obviously Bernie is going to be the one on the offensive. He's not doing anything Biden wasn't doing last week when their positions were flipped. If you didn't care about the attacks then, you probably shouldn't care now. Else it's just bitch eating crackers syndrome.
 

Vector

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As a sidenote, it's pretty fucked up how after two terms of Obama, an allegedly super inspirational President, the best the Democratic Party can come up with in terms of candidates is Joe Biden.
 

Rodderick

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Every candidate (including Biden!) went scorched Earth on Bernie on Nevada. Because he was the frontrunner and they all wanted to pull him down. Now Biden is the frontrunner and obviously Bernie is going to be the one on the offensive. He's not doing anything Biden wasn't doing last week when their positions were flipped. If you didn't care about the attacks then, you probably shouldn't care now. Else it's just bitch eating crackers syndrome.

What? I literally didn't say anything about Bernie's attacks on Biden. I'm saying that Biden is adopting the conciliatory "hey, don't attack me, we have bigger fish to fry here" tone that Bernie should have inched closer to after Nevada, instead of going full "the establishment is shitting their pants, they can't stop us".
 

Jiggy

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What? I literally didn't say anything about Bernie's attacks on Biden. I'm saying that Biden is adopting the conciliatory "hey, don't attack me, we have bigger fish to fry here" tone that Bernie should have inched closer to after Nevada, instead of going full "the establishment is shitting their pants, they can't stop us".

Okay sure, I agree with that. Bernie definitely flubbed his post-Nevada frontrunner status.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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As a sidenote, it's pretty fucked up how after two terms of Obama, an allegedly super inspirational President, the best the Democratic Party can come up with in terms of candidates is Joe Biden.
Trump is the only issue.

That's how a man who didn't campaign was able to cause a huge upset.

He reminds people of Obama, they think Obama could beat Trump (he could without question), so Biden must be able to as well.

It's more important to people than healthcare, or poverty, or justice, or sexual assault allegations.
 

NinjaDBL

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One thing I have come to realize is that folks like that, chances are they weren't planning on voting regardless. They are why the youth vote is so low; people like that find any excuse to not actually have to go out and vote. Much easier to be a keyboard warrior and click that like function on twitter than actually go outside and make it happen.

Agreed. It really shows how much of a bubble Twitter is. It does not at all represent the voting electorate in any shape or form.
 

Vector

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Trump is the only issue.

That's how a man who didn't campaign was able to cause a huge upset.

He reminds people of Obama, they think Obama could beat Trump (he could without question), so Biden must be able to as well.

It's more important to people than healthcare, or poverty, or justice, or sexual assault allegations.
You're absolutely right and I hate this.
 

Rodderick

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Trump is the only issue.

That's how a man who didn't campaign was able to cause a huge upset.

He reminds people of Obama, they think Obama could beat Trump (he could without question), so Biden must be able to as well.

It's more important to people than healthcare, or poverty, or justice, or sexual assault allegations.

Bernie's platform polls much better with the Democratic electorate than Bernie does. Maybe his supporters should reflect on his faults as a candidate instead of blaming the people.
 

Ithil

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Watching how he speaks with people about loss is amazing at times. Saw this clip (starting at 5:59) and was floored:



More of this Biden is going to be powerful.

I've nearly forgotten what a president who isn't a vile sociopath is like. At the very least Biden can give you a president who actually feels empathy for other people. Low bar, I know.
 

Rodderick

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I've nearly forgotten what a president who isn't a vile sociopath is like. At the very least Biden can give you a president who actually feels empathy for other people.

No no, he's disintegating into thin air as we speak. He should pick a VP as soon as possible, I don't know if his molecular structure will hold up until he takes office. That is if he somehow can overcome his inability to form any coherent thought in the debates and win the GE.
 
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This tweet right here is an example of my last post. It has more than twice the likes of Biden's tweet, and most of his tweets get more than that. Young people, both in the US and abroad, like just about anything he says. Yet he's getting creamed in actual elections.

It's easier to click the heart icon on Twitter than to actually go out on a Tuesday and vote. Young folks are fickle. I know. Back in 2012 when I was all of 23 I had to be nagged to death to vote.
I think part of it is that Bernie is very popular internationally. No thats not a "russian bots" remark, I just think his popularity online makes people think his group of supporters is larger than it actually is. A lot of people internationally spend their time trying their hardest to advocate for the guy.

And as you said, a heart icon or a facebook like is not a vote.
 

cameron

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www.nytimes.com

Was It Always Going to Be the Last Men Standing? (Published 2020)

For Elizabeth Warren, the historic number of women in the 2020 field and the Democrats who supported them, the question will linger.
WASHINGTON — In the end, the pink wave carried two white men ashore.
Since Donald J. Trump won the presidency, women's rage has fueled the Democratic Party. Women created new political organizations, led protests, ran for office and voted for Democrats more than they ever had before. A record number of female lawmakers now serve in Congress. After years of being considered a political liability, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has emerged as a party icon and, in 2020, multiple women ran for president.
For the first time in history, Americans saw a diverse group of female leaders pursuing the country's highest office, an elite sorority that included former prosecutors, senators, a combat veteran and even a self-help celebrity.
And, for the first time in history, a majority of Democratic voters rejected them all. As the party moves toward picking a nominee, the last man left standing will be, most certainly, a man.
It's a situation that has left some prominent Democratic women frustrated to still be fighting battles they hoped had been settled years ago.
"The narrative that somehow women are less electable than men seems to still be an issue. It's very disgusting really," said Representative Barbara Lee, Democrat of California, who was one of Senator Kamala Harris's campaign co-chairs. "In 2020, we should have a woman as our commander in chief."
That's a view shared by many of the female candidates, who struggled to explain how, after the year of the woman, no women remained as a serious contender for the nomination.
"One of the hardest parts of this," said Senator Elizabeth Warren, her voice shaking as she announced the end of her campaign on Thursday, "is all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years. That's going to be hard."
Senator Amy Klobuchar described feeling a "kind of obligation" to the girls who would approach her at events.
"This is how I reconcile some of the fact that I'm not up there anymore. It's that you also see women with power," she said in an interview Wednesday night. "They ended up by not choosing the women, but that doesn't mean the women are going to go away."
Ms. Harris was far less optimistic: "The reality is that there's still a lot of work to be done to make it clear that women are exceptionally qualified and capable of being the commander in chief of the United States," she told reporters on Capitol Hill on Thursday.



More in the link.
 

Pixieking

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Debates only move the needle for people who get obliterated.

Hillary clearly winning every debate wouldn't agree with you. I mean, it moved the needle... for a couple of days. Then no-one cared.

Maybe Joe should just not debate.

If the Dem primary debates are anything to go by, I hope he doesn't.

Did you see that clip posted on the previous page? Biden's empathetic. And when Trump comes at him, he's going to hit Trump hard on being an unfeeling sociopath who locks children up in cages and demeans the Evangelicals who he pays lip-service too. devSin had it right, here:

One thing also is that we haven't seen Biden face off against an actual enemy yet.

All of the debates have just been him up there with people he knows and mostly likes.

He may not be as diminished as we think.

I genuinely believe Biden hates Trump in multiple ways, and that is going to work wonders in any debate when combined with his folksy charm and his ability to relate to people.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Bernie's platform polls much better with the Democratic electorate than Bernie does. Maybe his supporters should reflect on his faults as a candidate instead of blaming the people.
Sanders has very real flaws.

We're so online I think we forget how much other people only think about politics when they see Trump's face on the television.

Sander's favorable are as good as anyone else. People don't hate the man.

So his platform polling well is meaningless. There is only one issue for people right now. People think Joe Biden can beat Trump. They don't care about his past, or his racism, or his sexism.

Get Trump's face off their televisions.
 

Rodderick

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Sanders has very real flaws.

We're so online I think we forget how much other people only think about politics when they see Trump's face on the television.

Sander's favorable are as good as anyone else. People don't hate the man.

So his platform polling well is meaningless. There is only one issue for people right now. People think Joe Biden can beat Trump. They don't care about his past, or his racism, or his sexism.

Get Trump's face off their televisions.

Yes, and people don't think Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. That's on him as well, not solely on the people.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Hillary clearly winning every debate wouldn't agree with you. It moved the needle... for a couple of days.
No, I said obliterated. There was never a moment when Clinton did to Trump what Warren did to Bloomberg.

Yes, and people don't think Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. That's on him as well, not solely on the people.
Yeah I already agreed with you.

I'll say though, it's really hard to beat an association with Obama.

Still, he could be better.
 

Blader

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As a sidenote, it's pretty fucked up how after two terms of Obama, an allegedly super inspirational President, the best the Democratic Party can come up with in terms of candidates is Joe Biden.
The party came up with a lot of great candidates this cycle and relaxed the rules to give them all significant national airtime even though few of them had any real shot. At the end of the day, voters just didn't care enough for anyone but the two old guys they already knew.
 

cameron

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“The changing Dem nomination forecast from our friends at ⁦@DecisionDeskHQ⁩ ⁦@0ptimusPredicts⁩ @ozy”

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Pixieking

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No, I said obliterated. There was never a moment when Clinton did to Trump what Warren did to Bloomberg.

Okay, well, that's... Yeah, okay. I do think subjective, and happens rarely, though. Even Kamala hitting Biden on busing early on (which I think is as close to being obliterated as happened prior to Warren/Bloomberg) didn't change anything, for either of them.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Okay, well, that's... Yeah, okay. I do think subjective, and happens rarely, though. Even Kamala hitting Biden on busing early on (which I think is as close to being obliterated as happened prior to Warren/Bloomberg) didn't change anything, for either of them.

Think Chris Christy snatching Rubio's soul on television and ending his campaign right there.

I know you already understand where I'm coming from, I just like thinking about that sometimes :)
 

adam387

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Warren is giving the most teacher answer to how she's doing.

God damn it America, you keep FUCKING UP.
 
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Beep boop 'Bernie is a Russian asset' news cycle incoming



Nothing in the documents suggests that Mr. Sanders was the only local American official targeted for propaganda, or even that he was particularly receptive to it, though they do describe him as a socialist. But the documents do show the Soviets' intensive preparation to use Mr. Sanders's interest in their country to their advantage.

But the trip wasn't enough to cinch the sister-city relationship. Mr. Sanders still had to convince Soviet officials in Moscow to grant their approval and allow Yaroslavl representatives to travel to Burlington. He offered glowing reviews in public and ratcheted up his lobbying effort in private.

"People there seemed reasonably happy and content," Mr. Sanders told reporters in Burlington about Yaroslavl, a city of about 600,000. "I didn't notice much deprivation."

Two days after returning to Vermont, Mr. Sanders wrote to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, asking for help in setting up the sister-city program.

...

In a letter to Moscow seeking approval for travel to the United States, Yaroslavl officials pledged that they would talk about the "peace-loving foreign policy" of the Soviet Union and the changes being implemented by Mr. Gorbachev. They attached a seven-point "plan for information-propaganda work" on their visit to Burlington, with specific talking points for each of the delegation's three members.

The plan is followed by a nine-page guide issued by the Soviet Foreign Ministry on how to communicate Mr. Gorbachev's policies to international audiences. It describes antiwar movements, sister-city contacts and foreign cultural figures as particularly important targets for Soviet propaganda.

While the Yaroslavl documents show the Soviets to be planning a propaganda effort in Burlington, Mr. Casca, the Sanders campaign spokesman, said the reality was different when the Yaroslavl delegation arrived in Vermont in October 1988.

"Reporting at the time is clear, rather than propaganda, officials on both sides discussed the limitations of the Soviet system and their common desire to avoid nuclear war," Mr. Casca said.
 
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Casa

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Guess we should be ready for Sanders and his surrogates to relentlessly attack Biden nonstop until the next voting day in a last ditch attempt to save himself, huh? I mean, that's all he can really do right now but it looks hella bad when everyone else is coming together and rallying around Biden while Bernie is out on an island attacking him.

This is the stuff that'll be his downfall. Being an angry scrooge who totally isolates himself from everyone.
 
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Guess we should be ready for Sanders and his surrogates to relentlessly attack Biden nonstop until the next voting day in a last ditch attempt to save himself, huh? I mean, that's all he can really do right now but it looks hella bad when everyone else is coming together and rallying around Biden while Bernie is out on an island attacking him.

This is the stuff that'll be his downfall. Being an angry scrooge who totally isolates himself from everyone.
I expect Sirota to write daily hitpieces on Biden up until November
 
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Trump is the only issue.

That's how a man who didn't campaign was able to cause a huge upset.

He reminds people of Obama, they think Obama could beat Trump (he could without question), so Biden must be able to as well.

It's more important to people than healthcare, or poverty, or justice, or sexual assault allegations.

This is not the way votes or voting works. A vote for Biden and all those things you mentioned are NOT mutually exclusive things. Nor are people who cast a vote for Biden wanting the status quo back, or no improvements to healthcare, or no justice, or...even the woman who was in the Washington Post article tweeted she would vote Biden if he were to be the eventual nominee. We have everything from threads on Era to tweets out there, like the one from this woman, where people respond to them giving them flack for voting - when they all want to vote out Trump. Is there only one acceptable progressive voice, ever?
 
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