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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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10th will be the final nail in coffin if he loses Michigan, 17th going to be lowering in the coffin 6 feet under.
The desperation in the Sanders campaign is palpable.
He isn't far off from an expert. He just ran for state office and while it isn't often overlooked probably won except for outside election interference
I honestly think it's the latter. Biden's resurgence has been ridiculous.
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As for Warren, she was President we deserve, but not the one need. Or is it the other way around?
(This is on topic) So I'm playing God of War and those Valkyrie bosses are extremely tough, as is that mist world area at first, and then I think about how much tougher the Hard mode supposedly is, which reminds me of Warren in this race. It's not fair she has to play the game in Hard mode while everyone else gets Normal or in Joe's case, Casual. As I mentioned here before, an older retired female relative said recently not only shouldn't Warren be Pres, no woman at all should be Pres. I couldn't believe it, still can't. It's taking way too long for America to elect a non-white male into the highest Office, and even the one time they did, look at the backlash after it. The UK had Thatcher in 1979, Germany had Merkel in 2005, still waiting here.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
“Today is a hard day for so many people who love and respect @ewarren and admire her campaign - and I include myself in that. Elizabeth Warren is a progressive lion, a champion for working families, and her commitment to inclusivity is exemplary. Thank you for being a role model...twitter.com
Warren in good graces.
AOC is the future, its amazing how much better a messenger for the progressive movement
I was just joking because if Gillum and Nelson had kept pace with Latino voters that went for Hillary all the florida election fuckery wouldn't have mattered and they would have won comfortably
My thinking is we need someone who can beat Trump, but we deserve someone who is organized and understands how to get the job done.
That was really sad and I was surprised people didnt bring it up more. He let the fucking audience get under his skin. It made me pretty sure he would take literally any bait trump set for him.
Yes, Bernie is going to lose Mississippi by a million points. However, he cannot afford to be non-viable. He BARELY made viability in 2016. If Biden gets them all, that's 36 delegates. Whoever wins Michigan will not win it by more than mid to high single digits. They will not net more than a handful of delegates. Letting Mississippi go completely is...a weird choice. I would think Bernie's team would better understand a delegate race but maybe not....
I hope she's no longer your friend. She wouldn't be mine anymore.
At this point, maybe it's not a delegate game he's playing.
Sad to hear Warren has decided to drop. I don't mind if she endorses Bernie but I don't think any of these candidates deserve her endorsement. Hope she gets a place in the eventual nominee's team if she want it.
I'm taking the "need" as is what you'd need as President, not as candidate. If we're talking candidate I've always believed out of the whole field she'd be the one who wouldn't stand a chance against Trump.
I don't think Sanders lacks the compassion he states is at the heart of the progressive message, but AOC is absolutely a better politician when it comes to conveying that compassion.
He is pretty much mathematically eliminated if he becomes not viable in Miss but I guess he is more worried about the perception if he loses Michi. He was able to string his campaign along last time because he won a few more states than expected and gave people hope
Sahil Kapur on Twitter
““Joe Biden’s three-day news blitz replaced an entire year of campaigning and organizing,” said Adam Green of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which supported Warren. “It’s a little frustrating.” https://t.co/u6rMV3r7we”
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Actually, I think y'all are also right. It's a mindshare thing for him. If he loses Virginia, North Carolina, and Michigan...those are the three big swing states that have voted thus far. There's no electability argument to make at that point, especially if he goes on to lose Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Arizona. He has to win it for the simple fact if he doesn't he has no argument to make when he's (obviously) mathematically eliminated.
Then he should send some of his surrogates and folks who have endors---oh wait. Maybe he could get the governor of Michigan to ...oh.
He agreed that it offended people. Which it did. Otherwise nobody would be talking about it!
If Bernie is purely playing for optics then I hope Biden crushes him. I'm not anti-Bernie, but if he is sacrificing all of Mississippi so that he can split Michigan (and understands that this dooms him with delegates) then we're better off with Biden crushing him everywhere.
It's not just about raw delegates anymore, it's about controlling a narrative. 36 delegates can be made up later on, being in a race about electability when you lose Michigan is back breaking. Remember that Sanders has to make the claim that he is more electable than Biden, getting a win over Biden in Michigan does that. Getting like 5% better result in Mississippi does nothing for Sanders and no one is looking at MS for GE. Any hit on Biden's electability is a massive boon for Sanders. There are still a crap ton of late deciders in these elections meaning a lot of people are hesitant about who they want to vote for.
No matter what Sanders does at this point, he has to lob a hail mary. Simply continuing as is will just result in a slow and grueling loss. Biden is still a weak enough candidate that this primary can take another twist.
Does Bernie have a single endorsement sitting in his pocket because now would be the time to use them. It feels like every elected democrat and even people running have endorsed Biden
It is kind of stupid that every debate, all the money, campaigning, everything that has happened since December 2018 meant less than nothing because Uncle Joe had a last minute hype machine.
but it also maybe says our election cycles are way way way way too long
but it also maybe says our election cycles are way way way way too long
If he loses Michigan and doesn't drop out I am I am posting a thread in OT titled "Fuck Bernie for not dropping out after losing Michigan"
Anyone who insults me for criticizing him will be reported.
Ok, this was fucking funny. It's also the reason why you don't go at Trump like this, you won't ever out-troll him.
It speaks to his limited coalition though that he doesn't have anyone to campaign for him in Mississippi to keep him viable. While Michigan is the bigger prize, he's also much more likely to be viable there regardless- whereas in Mississippi he could be non-viable and allow Biden to get everything. The math doesn't work out well in this scenario. Even if he wins Michigan with like 54% of the vote, if he only gets 14% in Mississippi he's lost ground.
idk, maybe someone intimately familiar with being branded with the socialist label and then sinking with Florida Latino voters in an election might have some two cents to contribute to the discussion.
Where is this idea that "no surrogates" are going to be going to Mississippi? The mayor of Jackson is a Bernie surrogate -- gonna guess he'll be doing work there too.
I don't think it was a Biden hype machine. It was the other candidates not winning PoC, specifically the black vote. Without that, there's no path forward. Once they saw the clear evidence of it, it was a dead end.
Here's the thing, I get what you're saying. IF there were some great states for Bernie out there where he could make up 36 delegates, maybe it makes sense. But there aren't. His best hope in Florida is viability, at this point. Hell, I'll be generous and say he gets 25% of the vote. Biden is going to net 103 delegates in Florida alone. Add that to Mississippi, and it's 136. Bernie absolutely has to limit the damage everywhere he can. This was actually the thing that did Hillary in in 2008, btw. I speak from painful experience.
I think this is signaling that Sanders will most likely take it to the convention after being mathematically eliminated. (Again.) Because if you are really trying to win a delegate game you would not just give up delegates in MS like that.
The difference here though is that I think its likely not to work as well as far as pushback that will come because the Winner will have a penis.
The difference here though is that I think its likely not to work as well as far as pushback that will come because the Winner will have a penis.
The Bernie bubble made it near impossible to share real feeling about other candidates on ERA without getting dog-piled. Now that we have proof of "told you so that Bernie is repeating his 2016 mistakes", we don't have to hide.
Biden is not my preferred choice- but at least he will listen to a multitude of ideas and not call allies "the enemy" for not falling lock step with Bernie. We already have an authoritarian cult leader of Trump, I don't desire to switch another authoritarian cult leader like Bernie.
They are far, far too long. Most people I know, myself included, just want it to be over.
Earned media is just too strong. Probably what accounted for the time Warren gained front runner status, the media was in love with her. Media is also the reason why Klob and Buttiegeg did well in the early states, they got non stop praise from the media and excessive fawning.
Sanders on the other hand keeps railing against the media, no one really dawns over him in mainstream media... except like weird Fox news hosts. He has never been a media darling. But again, it's still surprising at times when you start stacking his faults up that he still gets a lot of votes and support. He would be doing a lot better if he cleaned up his rhetoric but that's never going to happen so he will always get hammered by media even when he wins (ie. MSNBC having meltdowns over him winning Nevada).
Ignore the math for a second. We haven't had any of MI/PA/WI/OH vote yet, but we have had states similar to MS vote. A MI win (esp a huge one w/ a polling miss) is the last chance to make case for Bernie that doesn't involve Biden keeling over. If Bernie loses Michigan, it completely deflates any remaining electability argument. Therefore he absolutely, positively must win Michigan even if it comes at the expense of delegates.
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