Why won't the woman please drop out for Bernie, gosh. Why is she such a snek?
At this point I also think Biden just gets the majority of delegates and wins clean. 2016 redux.
Gotta day Biden's campaign has been very competent this last week.
Different campaign than say, last 2 weeksGotta day Biden's campaign has been very competent this last week.
It's pretty wild how they doubled down instead of learning anything.
My eyes couldn't roll harder at this...Why won't the woman please drop out for Bernie, gosh. Why is she such a snek?
tbh, I think our chances of flipping AZ, NC, and TX are still pretty good, maybe even slightly more likely, with Biden at the top (excluding the Hunter/Burisma dogpile Trump and the RNC will unleash on him). The young voter turnout is definitely going to suck but at the same time, Bernie has not really proven his ability to turn out all the first-time voters he said he could over the past month. And as much as Bernie crushing with Latinos in NV makes me hopeful for his GE prospects in that area, I am worried about what his horrible showing with black voters in SC portends. A 30-point loss might not be as bad as the 50-point loss he had against Hillary in 2016, but if black voters, particularly older black voters, are the bedrock of this party as we've kept telling ourselves, then we have to look at Bernie's poor showing there Saturday as a serious red flag.There will be no excuses anymore and the damage it'll do to the party may be as bad as a brokered convention imo. They might lose a good chunk of two generations to permanent apathy. Good luck ever making AZ, NC and TX blue states then. Shit, we might even lose a few D trifectas we've got going on.
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Don't forget the power of not being Bernie
The Democrats who have won statewide in AZ and NC this decade (Sinema, Cooper) are much more like Biden than they are like Bernie. Conversely, if Bernie is the nominee, good luck winning any elections in FL for the foreseeable future.There will be no excuses anymore and the damage it'll do to the party may be as bad as a brokered convention imo. They might lose a good chunk of two generations to permanent apathy. Good luck ever making AZ, NC and TX blue states then. Shit, we might even lose a few D trifectas we've got going on.
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^Biden is going to rig this by getting the most votes and delegates just you watch.
It's pretty wild how they doubled down instead of learning anything.
The definition for insanity is doing the same thing multiple times expecting different results.
Trump winning doesn't threaten any of their seats and obscure, labyrinthine organization structure/connections. Bernie winning really does open up the possibility of actual reform within the party itself that would necessitate cleaning house to some extent. Party leaders fear the latter far more than the former just like Culinary union bosses feared Bernie while the base loved him.
Florida is a black box stuffed within an enigma electorally speaking. That said, if you lose the youth then what future do you really have? White suburban moms will eventually leave Democrats, but the minorities and youth are there to stay.The Democrats who have won statewide in AZ and NC this decade (Sinema, Cooper) are much more like Biden than they are like Bernie. Conversely, if Bernie is the nominee, good luck winning any elections in FL for the foreseeable future.
Yep, seems that way. With everyone out but Bernie, Warren and Biden, I doubt there'd be a contested conventionAt this point I also think Biden just gets the majority of delegates and wins clean. 2016 redux.
He got the full opposition of the Democratic Party leaders and Clinton had a ~400 delegate lead from the start thanks to superdelegates. The fact that he took off at all is impressive and saying he hasn't been the underdog all along is crazy.
I know your joking but if Warren dropping out today could have that much of a positive impact on Sanders campaign. Why how no one is putting the onus on Bernie to be on the phone with her right now convincing her that and striking deals with her?Why won't the woman please drop out for Bernie, gosh. Why is she such a snek?
They are following the very successful and always working Claire Mcaskill strategy: alienate your passionate base for some mythical "blue dog dem" that in reality doesn't exist anymore. Never fails. Republicans won the presidency by embracing their base, but Democrats seem to hate theirs and go out of their way to fight against them. So instead of nominating a dude who won't take the shit of Republicans we nominate a moron who thinks he can work with Republicans to do anything. Like he did getting Obama's agenda done in his second term, or getting his centrist judge even a meeting. Oh right, he didn't.There will be no excuses anymore and the damage it'll do to the party may be as bad as a brokered convention imo. They might lose a good chunk of two generations to permanent apathy. Good luck ever making AZ, NC and TX blue states then. Shit, we might even lose a few D trifectas we've got going on.
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The "establishment" being the voters who are deciding who the candidate is?
My eyes couldn't roll harder at this...
Every non viable candidate should have dropped out by now.
She has no shot at winning. Biden, as of now, has called basically all ideas like hers stupid and impossible, downplayed any urgency to enact basically anything she supports and that young people are dumb and have it easyWhy won't the woman please drop out for Bernie, gosh. Why is she such a snek?
Maybe he wouldn't do it but he should do it if he were in the same case. Doesn't make Warren in the right for doing something that Sanders may do.The idea that Bernie would drop right now if the roles were reversed is humorous is all. I don't have a real dog in this one, but it's absurdist as a concept knowing everything there is in the past here.
For some reason people don't care about Sanders not being able to make deals. Which is silly because he's gonna need to make a lot to get his shit passed.I know your joking but if Warren dropping out today could have that much of a positive impact on Sanders campaign. Why how no one is putting the onus on Bernie to be on the phone with her right now convincing her that and striking deals with her?
I don't necessarily disagree with his, but also, people are voting for him. I don't know why when he is such a milquetoast candidate with milquetoast ideas, but they are.
The people in South Carolina had a range of candidates to choose from. They chose. As do the Super Tuesday states (though smaller range, they will choose as well).
This wasn't the same as 2016 at all, even for Sanders as he performed even better, earlier. And some of the phrasing here is beginning to suggest that women are conspiring to keep a particular man out of the election. We're not there yet where we can casually tell women they're not viable and should drop out now, they get that plenty from other areas of life as it is.
Clinton had a 0 delegate lead from the start. Supers don't do anything until the conventionHe got the full opposition of the Democratic Party leaders and Clinton had a ~400 delegate lead from the start thanks to superdelegates. The fact that he took off at all is impressive and saying he hasn't been the underdog all along is crazy.
Why won't the woman please drop out for Bernie, gosh. Why is she such a snek?
Moderate Voltron sounds scary.
Can a potara Fusion between Warren, and Sanders save us? 🤔
He was crushed in the pledged delegates. Let's not rewrite history. If Bernie loses again at a certain point folks gotta accept maybe the majority of democrats ain't buying what he's selling.He got the full opposition of the Democratic Party leaders and Clinton had a ~400 delegate lead from the start thanks to superdelegates. The fact that he took off at all is impressive and saying he hasn't been the underdog all along is crazy.
I don't think they'll stick around after losing two primary cycles despite working their asses off due to some power plays they had no say in.Bernie's movement will continue either way, and will continue agitating for getting us healthcare like the rest of the world. The mainstream Democrats wouldn't stick their necks out to fix the water in Flint.
Or maybe Bernie didn't learn anything from 2016? Shouldn't he have made friends, made some deals, and upped his status within the party? It's hard to get angry at "the establishment" for going against him when he's literally been running against them this whole time.
They love the status quo more than anything. They would rather lose to Trump in November than have Bernie remake the party in a socialist image. This is their last gasp play to try and win everything.Yeah, I agree. Moderates really, really do not like Sanders, I guess.
Yep, seems that way. With everyone out but Bernie, Warren and Biden, I doubt there'd be a contested convention
I would agree with you on black voters if we could see outcomes in states like PA or Michigan, but we haven't, so I don't know yet. Just like the hispanic vote, black people are not a monolith.Amy and Pete endorsing Biden is not a surprise, but Reid endorsing is a big deal. And also odd, given how much Nevada just went for Bernie.
tbh, I think our chances of flipping AZ, NC, and TX are still pretty good, maybe even slightly more likely, with Biden at the top (excluding the Hunter/Burisma dogpile Trump and the RNC will unleash on him). The young voter turnout is definitely going to suck but at the same time, Bernie has not really proven his ability to turn out all the first-time voters he said he could over the past month. And as much as Bernie crushing with Latinos in NV makes me hopeful for his GE prospects in that area, I am worried about what his horrible showing with black voters in SC portends. A 30-point loss might not be as bad as the 50-point loss he had against Hillary in 2016, but if black voters, particularly older black voters, are the bedrock of this party as we've kept telling ourselves, then we have to look at Bernie's poor showing there Saturday as a serious red flag.
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fwiw, the Warren campaign has been wanting a three-way race between her, Biden and Sanders. If Amy/Pete help Biden burry Bloomberg on Super Tuesday—and Warren gets some delegates from CA—really is the environment they have been signaling for weeks that they want.
1:58 PM - Mar 2, 2020
Josh Lederman @JoshNBCNews
"I'm in it to win it," @MikeBloomberg says just now after Klobuchar & Buttigieg drop out within a 24-hour span
2:09 PM - Mar 2, 2020