I wondered why you cropped the data when you did.
Biden was MOE 30% for the entire race until he lost Iowa and New Hampshire. Then he plummeted and Bloomberg gained. Almost FOUR MONTHS after he joined the race.
You're just wrong dude.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Biden was MOE 30% for the entire race until he lost Iowa and New Hampshire. Then he plummeted and Bloomberg gained. Almost FOUR MONTHS after he joined the race.
You're just wrong dude.
I'd love to see AOC completely dismantle Buttigieg on a debate stage. She already did it multiple times on twitter already.
Discussions with you have become tiresome. You're on my ignore list, enjoy the stay.
So, I think a big part of the pressure for Pete to get out is a reaction to Bernie's performance in South Carolina last night. (Hear me out.) From 2016-2020, after actually investing time in the state, Bernie barely improved his numbers with African American voters. He also lost African American voters in Nevada, but not as badly as in SC. Biden is absolutely right in that you do not win the Democratic nomination let alone the presidency without winning the African American vote. (Which, of course, is not a monolith whatsoever.) I think if Bernie had managed to do a bit better, keeping it actually close, I don't think Pete drops out. Obviously, Biden's strength was like a huge part too, but I think you can't consider Biden's strength last night without also evaluating Bernie's weakness. The only Dem candidate who became the nominee without carrying SC was Edwards, and he only won by 14 points while being the Senator from the adjacent state.
With SC being the first majority minority state (NV was 65% white after all) I wonder if that kinda spooked some folks who, while they probably didn't/don't want Bernie, they would be fine with it if he was improving his numbers with Black voters from 2016.
And let me be clear, I am in NO WAY white washing Bernie's support or saying his performance among Latinx voters is anything less than impressive.
With SC being the first majority minority state (NV was 65% white after all) I wonder if that kinda spooked some folks who, while they probably didn't/don't want Bernie, they would be fine with it if he was improving his numbers with Black voters from 2016.
And let me be clear, I am in NO WAY white washing Bernie's support or saying his performance among Latinx voters is anything less than impressive.
with zero foreign experience other than being a soldier?
There's no need for all that.
Maybe I was too harsh, but I seriously thought you were trolling me.
Sorry for butting in but is this how you respond to someone who brings up relevant data and statistics? You flat out dismiss them as someone not worth listening to?
I'm done with the conversation. Nothing else left to be said.
I assume that will come tomorrow probably somewhere where he can best help. Get both on stage together.
not so fast you need to fill out some paperwork
they have Bloomberg, Warren, Biden, and Sanders benefiting equally from Buttigieg dropping out? No Klobuchar? I'd like to see more info on that.
Yo, I don't know if Manmademan will see this, but I seriously meant you no ill will and I apologize for being snarky.
It's clear you're a smart guy. We can just avoid disagreeing so forcefully in the future.
In any case. I wish you only good things. We're on the same side.
It's clear you're a smart guy. We can just avoid disagreeing so forcefully in the future.
In any case. I wish you only good things. We're on the same side.
I'm at a top 50 market cap company who's entire regional office (couple thousand employees) is closed for at least half this upcoming week due to a single employee testing positive. This shit is going to have wild economical ripple effects.
I feel like this unfairly assumes that black voters wouldn't back Sanders if he beat out Biden. Yes they do like Biden more, but I don't think they have ill will towards Bernie from all the black people I know that I've spoken to about candidates. If they weren't outright supporting Bernie as #1, they still had him #2 for the most part. So, if Biden didn't get the nom, I don't see issues with Bernie sweeping up the black vote. Especially over Trump.
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I mean...I'm not saying meltdown is gonna happen but if this keeps up...
I imagine Amy's staff has tried to get her to drop out. It's just that everyone who goes to tell her never returns.
He apologized and said he thought you were trolling him. Benton is good guy I really think some wires were crossed here.
And he just did again. Just turn off ignore and check the posts this is a misunderstanding
Shane Goldmacher @ShaneGoldmacherMike Bloomberg's team recently presented him with an attack ad to hit Elizabeth Warren for her flip on super PACs.
The plan was to run it twice as often as her ads hitting him.
Bloomberg said he didn't want to run the ad.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/us/politics/super-tuesday-primaries.html …
The plan was to run it twice as often as her ads hitting him.
Bloomberg said he didn't want to run the ad.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/us/politics/super-tuesday-primaries.html …
8:33 PM - Mar 1, 2020
I'll reevaluate the conversation later. I have dad things to do and a decent amount of prep for some conferences in the AM. Y'all have a pleasant evening.
Smart move. It would've been petty as hell and achieved nothing.
Fair enough. I just like both of y'all and wanted to heal the divide 👍🏼
You as well.
Thank you for the kind words :)
Geoff Bennett @GeoffRBennettFormer President Obama called Joe Biden last night to congratulate him on his blowout victory in South Carolina last night, a person familiar with the call tells @mikememoli and @kwelkernbc -- as first reported by Bloomberg News.
8:42 PM - Mar 1, 2020
I didn't like Pete much after his turn towards the moderate lane, smart a move as it was, but I can't miss that he made a impact as the first significant queer candidate to make it to the big stage and the first one to win a state. May there be more and better ones after him. The speech by Chasten about Pete got me all emotional. :(
So a few things. Bernie was as popular in SC as Pete among black voters. The fact is, in South Carolina specifically, we've had two election cycles where Bernie hasn't improved his numbers. It's not as though we can argue they just don't know him or whatever at this point. I'm also hesitant to say that any voting cohort would just jump over to someone else when I'm not a member of that group. So I won't speak to that. What I will say is turnout could be down among certain constituencies if they don't like who we run. Like, we cannot argue that the youth might not turn out if we don't run Biden but not admit the real possibility that "group XYZ" won't turnout for Bernie.
Then you have stuff like this. This is a bad look.
Gabriel Debenedetti @gdebenedetti"I want to congratulate him for running a brilliant campaign," @BernieSanders says of @PeteButtigieg in LA. "I want to welcome all of his supporters into our movement and urge them to joining us in the fight for real change in this country."
8:43 PM - Mar 1, 2020
Top tier troll game, friend.
*select an appropriate congratulatory drag race gif*
Local news just said NY state has its first coronavirus victim, in their thirties.
Bloomberg's address is on now, blindng me because it's very brightly lit for some reason.
People dropping out who were alternative picks to Biden for some people, won't hurt Biden.
Without Senate majority control, little to nothing will likely get passed, so...a progressive agenda is going to have to be won state by state anyway, not through one single person. There are many important "who can win best in what state/district" conversations still to be had after Tuesday. I hope the candidates have been keeping this in mind.
Bloomberg's address is on now, blindng me because it's very brightly lit for some reason.
People dropping out who were alternative picks to Biden for some people, won't hurt Biden.
Without Senate majority control, little to nothing will likely get passed, so...a progressive agenda is going to have to be won state by state anyway, not through one single person. There are many important "who can win best in what state/district" conversations still to be had after Tuesday. I hope the candidates have been keeping this in mind.
What do ya'll think. Is this the turning point where we'll see a more inclusive Bernie? He's ahead, but with obvious reservations from a chunk of the electorate.
Time for a fireside chat without the classist name calling? Will he consider Warren's approach to M4A? Will he shut up about dictators?
Time for a fireside chat without the classist name calling? Will he consider Warren's approach to M4A? Will he shut up about dictators?
Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) @JoeBiden.@PeteButtigieg ran a historic, trail-blazing campaign based on courage, compassion, and honesty. We will be a better country for his continued service. This is just the beginning of his time on the national stage.
8:31 PM - Mar 1, 2020
LMAO. To be fair, Bernie OR Biden prolly won't be in fighting shape by 2024...
The hardest part of all this is that we might rip ourselves apart for little gain.
Yes, many horrific things will end and the lives of thousands will be better just by changing the executive branch.
And hell that might actually be worth it.
I just don't see us taking the Senate. Until we do, the minority "majority" party will continue to block everything meaningful.
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