Not to be dismissive of anyone feeling the pain, because that really sucks, but like... that's all he had going for him. You lose the "well at least the stock market's good, right?" cohort of Trump supporters and you're only left with the ride-or-die assholes who just like that he's openly racist, sexist and every other strand of bigotry you can think of.In any case, the stock market has evaporated 3.4 TRILLION dollars in a week. That Trump reverse midas touch.
#Virginia Christopher Newport University Poll:
Biden 22%
Sanders 17%
Bloomberg 13%
Warren 8%
Buttigieg 8%
Klobuchar 5% (Poll Conducted Feb 3-23)
Well the problem is that Trump regularly makes a point of bragging about how high it is, like it's only because of him or whatever.To be fair to Trump (and y'all know I hate being fair to Trump)... most presidents would experience a similar decline in stock market in the face of a global pandemic. It's a legitimate negative stress factor for economic down turn, regardless of who is president of US at the time and how strong the economy is.
But Trump's extra sauce of shitty communication and conference probably resulted in an extra billion dollar loss in the stocks so he has that going for him.
Another good poll for Biden, who has been climbing fast in Virginia as Sanders has dropped over the past week. Not a huge shift delegate-wise, but demographically significant.
Another good poll for Biden, who has been climbing fast in Virginia as Sanders has dropped over the past week. Not a huge shift delegate-wise, but demographically significant.
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I know you've gotten dogpiled on this, but it really is an opinion and a highly unrealistic possibility. It makes it seem like you really just learned about Warren in the last year. Because otherwise you'd know she has a longstanding friendship with Bernie AND a longstanding dislike/possible loathing of Biden. And Warren wants progressive legislation passed. The idea that she'd suddenly abandon all of that and her friendship with Bernie (to the benefit of someone she doesn't like) over a spat from a month ago that happened during a primary where she's actively trying to win is ridiculous. If she does endorse Biden, I'll apologize to you. But you're basing this off her attacking a primary rival at a weak spot and ignoring her history with him before this all happened.Man can't even eat his oatmeal without being dragged lol. Hey, we'll find out before too long, eh?
Sad thing is it isn't even a strong opinion. More like, you know, this is a realistic possibility people shouldn't ignore.
Well also we might be seeing such a drastic fall because Trump has been artificially inflating the economy by slashing interest rates and printing money like crazy. We've basically been using recession tactics during an economic "boom". So I think it's crashing much harder than it would under a normal president because those huge gainss were a mirage in the first placeTo be fair to Trump (and y'all know I hate being fair to Trump)... most presidents would experience a similar decline in stock market in the face of a global pandemic. It's a legitimate negative stress factor for economic down turn, regardless of who is president of US at the time and how strong the economy is.
But Trump's extra sauce of shitty communication and conference probably resulted in an extra billion dollar loss in the stocks so he has that going for him.
Yeah, I saw that too. Super weird, especially because Biden literally only started gaining in the polls, Sanders dropping in Virginia in the last week at best.
That doesn't make any sense since D4P has Bernie up.... this week!Yeah, I saw that too. Super weird, especially because Biden literally only started gaining in the polls, Sanders dropping in Virginia in the last week at best.
Will he be by himself?
Ah shoot, I actually misread my graph. It's Sanders who overtook Biden in the past week or two, not the other way around. Though both Biden and Bloomberg have since gotten good polls recently and Sanders does seem to be dipping a little. That does explain why Biden is so far up though, since he was polling 30+ at the start of February.That doesn't make any sense since D4P has Bernie up.... this week!
The audience will be vetted by Fox News. It'll be a MAGA rally.
My math might be wrong, but the DJ is now closer to its number at inauguration than its high two weeks ago.About to celebrate the Dow hitting 25k again.
Edit: there it is.
The more vocal online leftists only recently learning more about other candidates and wildly jumping to the worst possible assumption about Sanders' primary rivals that make zero sense in historical context is hardly a new phenomenon to 2020.I know you've gotten dogpiled on this, but it really is an opinion and a highly unrealistic possibility. It makes it seem like you really just learned about Warren in the last year. Because otherwise you'd know she has a longstanding friendship with Bernie AND a longstanding dislike/possible loathing of Biden. And Warren wants progressive legislation passed. The idea that she'd suddenly abandon all of that and her friendship with Bernie (to the benefit of someone she doesn't like) over a spat from a month ago that happened during a primary where she's actively trying to win is ridiculous. If she does endorse Biden, I'll apologize to you. But you're basing this off her attacking a primary rival at a weak spot and ignoring her history with him before this all happened.
His decision to own the stock market stems from, well obviously the fact that he and his rich buddies are the primary benefactors, but it's also the only thing he's got going for him where like, ~95% of America would agree the stock market rising is a good thing (leaving some margin of error there for the super-leftists who oppose capitalism in general).Regarding Trump and the stock market.
First, his ballooning deficits may have played some part in the Fed's decision to keep rates lower for longer than they should, and to print more money recently which was the main reason for the surge in stocks since September. Trump has also been very vocal publicly about the Fed not doing enough to help stocks, whereas previous Presidents respected their independence. So Trump has a role to play in the bubble, which makes the resulting deflation of said bubble a bigger event.
Second, one of the things that really annoys me about the clown is the selective responsibility. When the market is going up it's day after day of taking personal credit for it. When it's crashing, he's MIA. If he wants to own it on the way up, then he owns it in weeks like this too, but of course the baby never takes responsibility for anything. The buck stops with everyone, also I'm the only one that matters. Again, previous Presidents have not tried to own the stock market like he does.
Third, his failure to inform, calm and reassure this week was a big reason the markets tanked even more. A leadership vacuum creates uncertainty and markets hate uncertainty. A better President might still have seen more drops in the stock market but it probably wouldn't have been as drastic as this.
Yea, that seems kind of useless lol.
The numbers... (funny video about economy reporting here)My dad is fairly furious about all of this since he planned to retire this year or next. He has been trying to log into Vanguard to see what's up but the site seems hammered. And he didn't even put money in that early plus he already hates Trump.
Can't even imagine what the actual white boomers are feeling right now who spend all their day counting their money and looking at these graphs/numbers.
Regarding Trump and the stock market.
First, his ballooning deficits may have played some part in the Fed's decision to keep rates lower for longer than they should, and to print more money recently which was the main reason for the surge in stocks since September. Trump has also been very vocal publicly about the Fed not doing enough to help stocks, whereas previous Presidents respected their independence. So Trump has a role to play in the bubble, which makes the resulting deflation of said bubble a bigger event.
Second, one of the things that really annoys me about the clown is the selective responsibility. When the market is going up it's day after day of taking personal credit for it. When it's crashing, he's MIA. If he wants to own it on the way up, then he owns it in weeks like this too, but of course the baby never takes responsibility for anything. The buck stops with everyone, also I'm the only one that matters. Again, previous Presidents have not tried to own the stock market like he does.
Third, his failure to inform, calm and reassure this week was a big reason the markets tanked even more. A leadership vacuum creates uncertainty and markets hate uncertainty. A better President might still have seen more drops in the stock market but it probably wouldn't have been as drastic as this.
Now that is painful. It's bad enough to lose in your own state, but to for her to lose women? Even at my worst I wouldn't wish this much pain on Warren.Bernie has more women support than Warren in her own state
So dont let anyone call you a bernie bro!
These numbers are putting years on my life. Even his numbers with Black people are great to say the least.
This looks like one of those Alex Ross drawings of a supervillain.
New MA poll from WBUR/MassInc (A/B pollster), take note of the sample size
Biden ran out of money weeks ago and has been terrible at organizing in many of these ST states for months. That and Utah dems being super liberal as a reaction to the super conservative majority.
It's also a generational thing that the few people are really getting.Biden seems completely non viable in states with a white majority. Explains why he cratered in Iowa and NH.
Everyone has continued to put it in terms of points, so I hadn't given it much thought, but when you put it in terms of real dollars that is fucking MASSIVE. Like, alarm bells need to be going off kinda massive. I don't see how his presidency survives if this continues to get worse.In any case, the stock market has evaporated 3.4 TRILLION dollars in a week. That Trump reverse midas touch.
Yeah good luck with that. Anyone to Sanders' right is a Republican. This thread isn't bad about that, but Etc is another story.What I really long for in this thread is to stop calling candidates centrists if they are anywhere to the right of Sanders. None of the candidates with explicit policy details are centrist at this point. All of them are more left than the party was 10 years ago.
It's a way of otherizing, it's tribal, and tribalism is at the root of most of the problems with this country. Well, tribalism and its exploitation by people who use it to leverage power and money.
I think it's fair. It looks likely to be a legitimately disruptive and destructive outbreak that even good public health mitigation plans would struggle to cope with. Couple that with a recession in an election year, and I think most incumbent presidents would be tossed out on their asses, whether they are charismatic, honest and competent, or lying dumb-ass. clownfreaks.To be fair to Trump (and y'all know I hate being fair to Trump)... most presidents would experience a similar decline in stock market in the face of a global pandemic. It's a legitimate negative stress factor for economic down turn, regardless of who is president of US at the time and how strong the economy is.
But Trump's extra sauce of shitty communication and conference probably resulted in an extra billion dollar loss in the stocks so he has that going for him.
90% of this framing comes from where someone stands on M4A, ignoring all the others policies.Yeah good luck with that. Anyone to Sanders' right is a Republican. This thread isn't bad about that, but Etc is another story.
This is not the takeaway and is, in fact, horrible.I think the takeaway from this primary will end up being that the black vote alone is no longer critical.
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Sorry for the long post! Figured I'd make this just so people can agree/disagree with my thought process on this one.I know you've gotten dogpiled on this, but it really is an opinion and a highly unrealistic possibility. It makes it seem like you really just learned about Warren in the last year. Because otherwise you'd know she has a longstanding friendship with Bernie AND a longstanding dislike/possible loathing of Biden. And Warren wants progressive legislation passed. The idea that she'd suddenly abandon all of that and her friendship with Bernie (to the benefit of someone she doesn't like) over a spat from a month ago that happened during a primary where she's actively trying to win is ridiculous. If she does endorse Biden, I'll apologize to you. But you're basing this off her attacking a primary rival at a weak spot and ignoring her history with him before this all happened.
I meant to type that is no longer the only critical vote. This is the sort of thing that happens when politics is split between two different parts of the forum. Typos and mixups are bound to happen. Don't pile up on me, everyone.
I think the takeaway from this primary will end up being that the black vote alone is no longer critical. If you can't build good majority support with hispanics and the youth then you'll crash and burn.
Now that is painful. It's bad enough to lose in your own state, but to for her to lose women? Even at my worst I wouldn't wish this much pain on Warren.
The takeaway should be more nuanced. The black vote is not a monolith, for one, and there are stark differences between older black voters and younger ones. Like almost any other demographic.
Sanders does have really good support among the black community, though, just not so much moderate Southern black voters, who have been in the Biden lane this whole time. I still think that you can't win a Democratic primary without at least a chunk of black support (hey Pete! hey Amy!) but I agree with you that Latinos and young people are going to be really important moving forward. That's a good thing!