That timing was spooky!
Yes, exactly. There are much better words to use here.
that's a great letter. she's incredible at this.
Yeah I saw that and my first question was....where did the other 14% go?
The double standards on display are staggering.
Well, the other 14% would be other races, one assumes....
Bernie never pretended to be Jewish and this is really dismissive, oh anyone can be offended about anything. If a white Senator running for President claimed to be black their entire life and released a DNA test to prove it despite never being in a black community in their life, we wouldn't let it off the hook. Native Americans should have the same respect paid to them.
As before, let me know when Bernie pretends to be Cuban for his entire life, talking about the literacy program of a country while condemning an authoritarian leader vs pretending to be from that community is not the same and is dismissive of the actual harm that Elizabeth Warren caused.
Oh OK cool, I'll go let the Cuban-Americans know that their pain isn't real, that it's not "actual harm," because Boss decided it was invalid. They'll be so relieved
This.
I miss popular liz
Again this whole thing started by me saying this not a political game, that real people are hurt by this. I agree with you entirely, Elizabeth Warren caused a lot of pain to a community that is no stranger to being stepped on and ignored. People are responding to me calling it things like an innocent mistake, and trying to equate everything, and the whataboutism, and the debate over whether someone really lied for 40 years. I'm trying to point out that actual people are still hurt by what she's done and we need to be a lot better.
That almost never actually happens so I doubt it. Like, this poll is weird they don't release gender makeup or anything. But, we'll see on Saturday, I guess.
If Bernie pretended to be Native American, I wouldn't support him.
No, those Cuban Americans in Florida still were hurt by his comments.
okay. some people disliked a series of fair and accurate comments about Cuba. other people liked them. how is that remotely comparable to lying about your heritage?
Again, I don't think you can equate being a KKK member, or claiming to be black or trying to fool people into thinking you're black, with being ignorant about rhe N word and rapping it in a song. It's wrong, no white person should say the N word under any circumstance, but there are levels to bad things and being in the KKK is a different level, and claiming to be black when you're not would also be another level.
Woah, woah, woah.
Because lying implies they knew.
You may be joking, but I did a quick look....
if people don't like hearing things that are true, I'm sorry about that but we're really stretching the definition of "causing harm" to a ridiculous extent here
some Cubans supported and continued to support the revolution. others didn't and obviously many of those people won't like it when people praise any element of that government. but the idea that expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion about Cuba is somehow ~causing real harm~ in a way that is comparable to faking your heritage is just ridiculous
okay, i'm not sure that people are arguing that she is, only that she absolutely has a record, over many years, of stretching the truth in a pretty unsavory way
Nobody is denying it caused harm, even the poster who you were getting on for saying "innocent" also qualified it with "shitty". Nobody would even deny that was a massive mistake. The common sentiment around here about that at the time was that it was a self nuke. What we're trying to say is she did not do it with malicious intent to deceive, but rather stupid ignorance.
