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Rudy Giuliani asked me to cancel election so he’d stay mayor post-9/11: Pataki

He wanted to be “America’s mayor” a whole lot longer. Rudy Giuliani secretly asked then-New York Gov. George Pataki to cancel New York City’s 2001 mayoral election so he cou…

He wanted to be "America's mayor" a whole lot longer.
Rudy Giuliani secretly asked then-New York Gov. George Pataki to cancel New York City's 2001 mayoral election so he could remain in office following the Sept. 11 terror attack, a new book reveals.
The bombshell revelation is contained in Pataki's upcoming memoir of 9/11, "Beyond the Great Divide: How A Nation Became A Neighborhood."
In an excerpt obtained by The Post, Pataki recalls how he attended a press conference with Giuliani and then-Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi at Manhattan's Pier 92 on Sept. 24, 2001.
As they began leaving, Giuliani — who a day before had been hailed as "America's mayor" by Oprah Winfrey during a Yankee Stadium prayer service — asked Pataki for a "private meeting" and they walked into a small room to talk.
Following an exchange of the "usual formalities," Giuliani "dropped a bomb," Pataki writes.
"Governor, you have extraordinary powers to extend my term in office," Giuliani said.

He publicly floated the idea after 9/11.

Edit: Haberman's older than I am, from NYC and is reporting this with a "whoa" like she doesn't remember? Sheesh.
 
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Dahbomb

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I am still on my declaration of becoming an official Bernard Brother if Bernie wins SC (ie. he wins all 4 starting states).
 

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Erica Werner @ericawerner

Rep Kennedy pressing panel of health officials on whether they agree with Trump's comment on coronavirus that "Typically, that will go away in April."

Fauci: New virus, we don't know.

Redfield: "Prudent to assume this pathogen will be with us for some time to come."


Kennedy sparring with Azar as his time runs out.

Eshoo asks Azar if he wants to answer the question, about whether he agrees with Trump on coronavirus going away in April.

"No" Azar says.​

5:06 PM - Feb 26, 2020
 

SSF1991

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God damn that Virginia poll. Just...god damn.

So I've updated the Super Tuesday state list. 2 states were downgraded to Competitive. 2, including Colorado finally getting some polling, were upgraded to leading.

Alabama - No polling yet
Arkansas - Competitive
California - Leading
Colorado - Leading*
Maine - Leading
Massachusetts - Leading
Minnesota - Competitive*
North Carolina - Competitive
Oklahoma - Competitive*
Tennessee - No polling yet
Texas - Competitive
Utah - Leading
Vermont - Leading*
Virginia - Leading

*Won in 2016

So, Bernie is currently leading in 7 of 14 Super Tuesday states. He's competitive in 5 states, 2 of which he has lead in previous polls before the last week or two (North Carolina and Texas). There are now only 2 states on Super Tuesday that we don't have reliable polling on.

I'm worried that a South Carolina win for Biden, especially a convincing one, may give him some momentum heading into Super Tuesday. And I feel like those southern states aren't really seeing much Bernie momentum. But the good news is that Bernie doesn't really need to win every single state that day. Winning the majority of them should be enough, in my opinion, for him to have a good Super Tuesday. I'd prefer a dominating Super Tuesday for Bernie so we can finally get this primary over and done with, though.
 

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Erica Werner @ericawerner

Rep Kennedy pressing panel of health officials on whether they agree with Trump's comment on coronavirus that "Typically, that will go away in April."

Fauci: New virus, we don't know.

Redfield: "Prudent to assume this pathogen will be with us for some time to come."


Kennedy sparring with Azar as his time runs out.

Eshoo asks Azar if he wants to answer the question, about whether he agrees with Trump on coronavirus going away in April.

"No" Azar says.

5:06 PM - Feb 26, 2020

That's not going to sit well with Trump
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm really curious how this coronavirus will play out.

So far Trump has been Teflon-Don. Yes, his poll numbers have never crossed 50% and he got impeached in his first term. But it always seems he escapes the worst consequences. A normal President would have 25% approval numbers if they behaved like Trump. A normal President would have been impeached and convicted after the Mueller Report came out. A normal President would have bee tarred and feathered for the response to Hurricane Maria. A normal President would be impeached alone for illegally paying hush money to a porn star that he slept with while his wife was pregnant.

He also just barely avoided World War 3 a month ago. If there had been 10 or more American casualties, we would be at war with Iran now.

But maybe the coronavirus will be different. Primarily because it has the potential to cause American loss of life and cause a big hit on the economy. And because Trump has hollowed out critical government agencies along with his propensity for lying about critical facts, he's made himself a big target if things go sideways.

We've had a lot of mini-disasters but Trump always seems to get lucky things are never end up being as bad as people predict. We very well could be in the late summer with the cases of coronavirus never exceeding 100 in the US and the supply chain hiccups never reaching a tangible effect to the average American worker / consumer. And Trump once again gets away with being completely incompetent.

On one hand, I'm glad we avoid these worst case scenarios. I don't want to be at war with Iran. But at the same time, it causes people to go, "Eh, he can't do that much damage" while he continues to hollow out the government and make even more dangerous decisions. All these near disasters have been warnings, but I don't think we're getting the hint. I think we need an outright disaster. Maybe not a worst-case scenario, but something where serious things actually do happen, which can't be spun away.
 

Vector

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I'm pretty confident in Bernie winning Texas - he's been campaigning there and drawing large crowds and has a much better volunteer network (does Biden even have such a thing there?), is outspending Biden in pretty much every state and has a good chance of activating latino voters in the state.
 

Slim Action

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There are also a few tantalizing prospects for Biden if he decides to keep going after a decent Super Tuesday performance. For example, on March 24th we have Georgia, which Sanders lost 70-30 in 2016.
 

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I'm pretty confident in Bernie winning Texas - he's been campaigning there and drawing large crowds and has a much better volunteer network (does Biden even have such a thing there?), is outspending Biden in pretty much every state and has a good chance of activating latino voters in the state.
one thing's for sure, if he loses Texas it's probably a big negative. he's invested a lot into that state and that's after polls showed him in the lead there already. losing texas would show that his campaigning isn't very effective, that his numbers with the Latino population don't necessarily translate to primary-sized elections, that biden/bloomberg are seizing the momentum from him. he 100% needs to win texas, especially with how delegate-rich the state is.
 

Vector

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one thing's for sure, if he loses Texas it's probably a big negative. he's invested a lot into that state and that's after polls showed him in the lead there already. losing texas would show that his campaigning isn't very effective, that his numbers with the Latino population don't necessarily translate to primary-sized elections, that biden/bloomberg are seizing the momentum from him. he 100% needs to win texas, especially with how delegate-rich the state is.
Agreed. TX is the biggest test for Bernie on Super Tuesday. If he pulls a convincing win there it would speed up the process considerably. The earlier this primary ends the better our GE odds are.
 

Steel

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I'm really curious how this coronavirus will play out.

So far Trump has been Teflon-Don. Yes, his poll numbers have never crossed 50% and he got impeached in his first term. But it always seems he escapes the worst consequences. A normal President would have 25% approval numbers if they behaved like Trump. A normal President would have been impeached and convicted after the Mueller Report came out. A normal President would have bee tarred and feathered for the response to Hurricane Maria. A normal President would be impeached alone for illegally paying hush money to a porn star that he slept with while his wife was pregnant.

He also just barely avoided World War 3 a month ago. If there had been 10 or more American casualties, we would be at war with Iran now.

But maybe the coronavirus will be different. Primarily because it has the potential to cause American loss of life and cause a big hit on the economy. And because Trump has hollowed out critical government agencies along with his propensity for lying about critical facts, he's made himself a big target if things go sideways.

We've had a lot of mini-disasters but Trump always seems to get lucky things are never end up being as bad as people predict. We very well could be in the late summer with the cases of coronavirus never exceeding 100 in the US and the supply chain hiccups never reaching a tangible effect to the average American worker / consumer. And Trump once again gets away with being completely incompetent.

On one hand, I'm glad we avoid these worst case scenarios. I don't want to be at war with Iran. But at the same time, it causes people to go, "Eh, he can't do that much damage" while he continues to hollow out the government and make even more dangerous decisions. All these near disasters have been warnings, but I don't think we're getting the hint. I think we need an outright disaster. Maybe not a worst-case scenario, but something where serious things actually do happen, which can't be spun away.
You're looking at this the wrong way. Any other president with economic conditions as they are would have 60+% approval ratings. The fact he's in the forties is a testament to how shitty he is.
 

bluexy

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God damn that Virginia poll. Just...god damn.

So I've updated the Super Tuesday state list. 2 states were downgraded to Competitive. 2, including Colorado finally getting some polling, were upgraded to leading.



So, Bernie is currently leading in 7 of 14 Super Tuesday states. He's competitive in 5 states, 2 of which he has lead in previous polls before the last week or two (North Carolina and Texas). There are now only 2 states on Super Tuesday that we don't have reliable polling on.

I'm worried that a South Carolina win for Biden, especially a convincing one, may give him some momentum heading into Super Tuesday. And I feel like those southern states aren't really seeing much Bernie momentum. But the good news is that Bernie doesn't really need to win every single state that day. Winning the majority of them should be enough, in my opinion, for him to have a good Super Tuesday. I'd prefer a dominating Super Tuesday for Bernie so we can finally get this primary over and done with, though.
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Here's the latest list of forecasting for Super Tuesday states from 538.
 

cameron

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www.cnbc.com

Democratic megadonor urges Pelosi and Schumer to pick a candidate in a bid to stop Bernie Sanders

Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz is calling on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to rally behind a candidate in order to stop Bernie Sanders.
Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz has started reaching out to party leaders, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, to encourage them to back a candidate for president in order to stop the surge of Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Schwartz, the CEO of BLS Investments, told CNBC that in recent days he's been trying to speak with Pelosi and Schumer about making a pick out of the hope that voters will follow their lead and end up denying Sanders the party's presidential nomination.
"We should know who is the best person to beat Donald Trump, and with all due respect, Bernie Sanders cannot beat Trump," he explained, describing the message he has relayed to the two Democratic leaders.
Schwartz noted he has yet to hear back from them but insisted, with Super Tuesday under a week away, that party leaders have to take a stand now before Sanders captures the nomination – and, in his view, takes down the party.
"They have good political reasons not to endorse until the primary is over, but I think we are losing to much if we give up on this position," he added.
Although he isn't insisting on a particular candidate for Pelosi and Schumer to get behind, he said that he thinks the two best options, for now, are either former Vice President Joe Biden or former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg, a billionaire funding his own candidacy for president. Schwartz is currently backing Biden's campaign for president.
Schwartz's concerns to leaders are being echoed by many Democratic leaders, including Bloomberg, whose campaign has ramped up its attacks on Sanders. There are also concerns among establishment Democrats that Sanders could hurt congressional candidates down the ballot if he were to be at the top of the party's ticket in November.
Representatives for Pelosi and Schumer did not return a request for comment. Both publicly signaled on Wednesday that they would be comfortable with Sanders leading the Democratic ticket in November.
 

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So let's say that those DFP polls are accurate (and, given their track record, yeah).

Of the STATEWIDE delegates (NOT the CD delegates):

Virginia (34 statewide dels):

Bernie = 13
Biden = 7
Warren = 7
Bloomberg = 7

Colorado (23 statewide dels):

Bernie = 15
Warren = 8

So what you're saying is, its time for the moderates to usher in Warren!
 

Vector

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Thinking the voters would vote as Pelosi and Schumer say is hilarious lmao

Thinking they'd get involved in this primary directly and risk tanking their chances in November is even more ridiculous.
 

RDreamer

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That Biden article is why he is such a paper tiger in a GE. No organization or enthusiasm.
I've said since the beginning that he would match up the worst against Trump despite his polling. In a vacuum he's a fine candidate but he would have to actually campaign and he's bad at that. He also excites no one and that's how you get past setbacks and lulls.
 
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www.cnbc.com

Democratic megadonor urges Pelosi and Schumer to pick a candidate in a bid to stop Bernie Sanders

Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz is calling on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to rally behind a candidate in order to stop Bernie Sanders.
Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz has started reaching out to party leaders, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, to encourage them to back a candidate for president in order to stop the surge of Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Schwartz, the CEO of BLS Investments, told CNBC that in recent days he's been trying to speak with Pelosi and Schumer about making a pick out of the hope that voters will follow their lead and end up denying Sanders the party's presidential nomination.
"We should know who is the best person to beat Donald Trump, and with all due respect, Bernie Sanders cannot beat Trump," he explained, describing the message he has relayed to the two Democratic leaders.
Schwartz noted he has yet to hear back from them but insisted, with Super Tuesday under a week away, that party leaders have to take a stand now before Sanders captures the nomination – and, in his view, takes down the party.
"They have good political reasons not to endorse until the primary is over, but I think we are losing to much if we give up on this position," he added.
Although he isn't insisting on a particular candidate for Pelosi and Schumer to get behind, he said that he thinks the two best options, for now, are either former Vice President Joe Biden or former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg, a billionaire funding his own candidacy for president. Schwartz is currently backing Biden's campaign for president.
Schwartz's concerns to leaders are being echoed by many Democratic leaders, including Bloomberg, whose campaign has ramped up its attacks on Sanders. There are also concerns among establishment Democrats that Sanders could hurt congressional candidates down the ballot if he were to be at the top of the party's ticket in November.
Representatives for Pelosi and Schumer did not return a request for comment. Both publicly signaled on Wednesday that they would be comfortable with Sanders leading the Democratic ticket in November.

+1 rich person scared of Bernie winning, trying to manipulate the base's fear of a second trump term to steer the party towards the candidates that won't tax him? Checks out lol
 

Aaron

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Notice an increasing trend of Dems running in rural deep red states going with UBI
Probably an easier sell there than increasing the minimum wage, honestly. The cost would be incurred by the government rather than businesses, and if it's a flat $1000 across the board like Yang's proposal, everyone benefits directly, whereas the already wealthy in those communities (who would probably be paying those higher wages in the first place) don't seem to be convinced by any "rising tide" arguments.
 

Kirblar

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If a CV vaccine emerges, it'll be free for anyone currently insured under a normal health plan (most people) and the rest would be where you need to directly mandate subsidies.


Probably an easier sell there than increasing the minimum wage, honestly. The cost would be incurred by the government rather than businesses, and if it's a flat $1000 across the board like Yang's proposal, everyone benefits directly, whereas the already wealthy in those communities (who would probably be paying those higher wages in the first place) don't seem to be convinced by any "rising tide" arguments.
Yang's 1K wasn't actually a flat 1K. If you were already getting 1K in say, Social Security/Disability? You got nothing.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Thinking the voters would vote as Pelosi and Schumer say is hilarious lmao

Thinking they'd get involved in this primary directly and risk tanking their chances in November is even more ridiculous.

Yeah a Pelosi / Schumer endorsement would be useless.

However what could be beneficial is if Pelosi / Schumer privately and publicly urged certain candidates to get out. Promise Klob some swank committee or reelection slush fund and promise to back Pete if he chooses to run for a high office somewhere. Promise Steyer a personalized letter from Bernie that he can put in his hope chest.

So Pelosi and Schumer could help prune the moderate lane with some behind the scenes wrangling.
 

fragamemnon

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Notice an increasing trend of Dems running in rural deep red states going with UBI

You aren't going to win on traditional Democratic platforms in some of those seats. Going outside the box isn't a bad tack to take and making the race about a specific economic/domestic policy and not a cultural hot potato is a much better out to play to.

edit: If Pelosi or Schumer wanted to dunk Bernie, should have done it before Iowa.
 

Vector

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Yeah a Pelosi / Schumer endorsement would be useless.

However what could be beneficial is if Pelosi / Schumer privately and publicly urged certain candidates to get out. Promise Klob some swank committee or reelection slush fund and promise to back Pete if he choses to run for a high office somewhere.

So Pelosi and Schumer could help prune the moderate lane with some behind the scenes wrangling.
That's not really necessary - the race will mostly come down to three people anyway after Super Tuesday, with Klob, Pete and Warren probably getting knocked out due to having very scarce resources and no path to the nomination.

There's no point in politicking here, just wait and see who emerges victorious, and if it's Sanders fall in line.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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Azar refuses to promise a coronavirus vaccine will be affordable for anyone: "We would want to ensure that we work to make it affordable, but we can't control that price, because we need the private sector to invest.. Price controls won't get us there."

Trump 2016:

"I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."
"There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
 

Bronlonius

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Im telling you the more Trump downplays everything the more of a total shitshow it will all be. Like we have no testing kits in the country. There could be a bunch of sick people right now for all we know, but since Americans dont typically rush to the doctor at the first signs of illness we may never know actual numbers. It could be a scenario where one person is finally picked up and then rapid reporting of 100s start to filter in and everyone loses their shit.

Very curious about Trumps 6pm thing. I still believe it's gonna be a rant about overreacting and saying they have it all under control. Followed by condemnation from global countries.

Call me an a-hole, but I hope he discounts this as being fake news and that he's got it all under control. I want him to burn for this as it goes out of control, making Bush's Katrina response look text-book efficient. His only thing lately is the good economy and he knows it. Take that roaring economy away and he gets desperate, and that's when the real fun happens, like creating serious shit shows just for distraction.

I'm selfish, I know, but whatever it takes to get him out. We can't/won't survive another term.
 

Kirblar

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Yeah a Pelosi / Schumer endorsement would be useless.

However what could be beneficial is if Pelosi / Schumer privately and publicly urged certain candidates to get out. Promise Klob some swank committee or reelection slush fund and promise to back Pete if he chooses to run for a high office somewhere. Promise Steyer a personalized letter from Bernie that he can put in his hope chest.

So Pelosi and Schumer could help prune the moderate lane with some behind the scenes wrangling.
Pruning the moderate lane seems like a net positive anyway.
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
Gotta assure that any vaccine can be milked for massive corporate profits!

Also, basically any corona vaccine would be handled the same way as a seasonal flu vaccine on cost/insurance it sounds like the "plan" is.
 

NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm leaning towards voting for him on ST.

I voted for Warren. Not just because she's my #1 (Bernie's going to win Colorado, I know), but every vote she gains might put her in position to deny Bloomberg and Buttigieg any delegates. Especially if that polling today is at all close to the real situation on the ground.
 

NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cmon man, don't leave Colorado out. I was literally thinking about this the other day if the shit really does go down. Time to make a coalition of blue states and secede.

Coloradans detest Californians, but we'd gladly staple ourselves to the rest of you in this theoretical scenario that's never going to happen.

Also let's not forget New Mexico and Arizona. I think we can deal with one purpley state in the party.
 

Sheepinator

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Trump Holds Diplomatic Ceremony To Formally Welcome Coronavirus To United States

WASHINGTON—Declaring that he was looking forward to showing the influential global entity around the country, President Donald Trump held a diplomatic ceremony Wednesday to formally welcome the coronavirus to the United States. "This is a historic day for America, and I hope that the coronavirus will appreciate our efforts to give it a warm reception and work with us to build a thriving, mutually beneficial relationship," said the president, announcing that Covid-19 would join him on the White House South Lawn for the presentation of an American flag accompanied by a military brass band, before a meeting with high-ranking administration officials and leaders from the business community in the Oval Office.

politics.theonion.com

Trump Holds Diplomatic Ceremony To Formally Welcome Coronavirus To United States

WASHINGTON—Declaring that he was looking forward to showing the influential global entity around the country, President Donald Trump held a diplomatic ceremony Wednesday to formally welcome the coronavirus to the United States. “This is a historic day for America, and I hope that the coronavirus...
 

BWoog

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Trump Holds Diplomatic Ceremony To Formally Welcome Coronavirus To United States

WASHINGTON—Declaring that he was looking forward to showing the influential global entity around the country, President Donald Trump held a diplomatic ceremony Wednesday to formally welcome the coronavirus to the United States. "This is a historic day for America, and I hope that the coronavirus will appreciate our efforts to give it a warm reception and work with us to build a thriving, mutually beneficial relationship," said the president, announcing that Covid-19 would join him on the White House South Lawn for the presentation of an American flag accompanied by a military brass band, before a meeting with high-ranking administration officials and leaders from the business community in the Oval Office.

politics.theonion.com

Trump Holds Diplomatic Ceremony To Formally Welcome Coronavirus To United States

WASHINGTON—Declaring that he was looking forward to showing the influential global entity around the country, President Donald Trump held a diplomatic ceremony Wednesday to formally welcome the coronavirus to the United States. “This is a historic day for America, and I hope that the coronavirus...

It sure does suck that whenever a Trump article shows up on the Onion, I have to think about whether it's real or not before seeing its from the Onion.
 
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