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GoldenEye 007

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Biden's polls are extremely good in South Carolina and extremely bad in California today which will set up a very long fight between Bernie and Biden that will last until June.

With whoever wins this fight being determined by how quickly Pete, Warren, and Bloomberg drop out and which candidate they support after and how enthusiastically. If Bloomberg dropped out after Super Tuesday and put $500m into attacking Bernie, Biden probably wins. If Warren drops out, Bloomberg stays in, and Warren endorses Bernie, Bernie probably wins.

Very bad and complicated situation right here with a lot of egotism involved.
I think as long as it's 2-3 people in the race, that's fine. But the bottom 4 at minimum need to drop sooner rather than later. After Super Tuesday has got to be it for most of these candidates if they don't make a significant dent then.
 

Sheepinator

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Tonight:

"People are saying the best way to avoid getting the caronavirus is to buy stocks. The more stocks you buy, the less likely you are to get it. Thank you, good night."
 
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Biden's polls are extremely good in South Carolina and extremely bad in California today which will set up a very long fight between Bernie and Biden that will last until June.

With whoever wins this fight being determined by how quickly Pete, Warren, and Bloomberg drop out and which candidate they support after and how enthusiastically. If Bloomberg dropped out after Super Tuesday and put $500m into attacking Bernie, Biden probably wins. If Warren drops out, Bloomberg stays in, and Warren endorses Bernie, Bernie probably wins.

Very bad and complicated situation right here with a lot of egotism involved.
Bloomberg's people are paid until the end of the summer. There's no way he drops out. And he actually might win some states in March!


Also, Warren's probably gonna flop pretty bad on ST and end up fourth. She should be looking to drop out soon because there's no way she ends up with anything at the convention. Especially with Biden second.
 

Teggy

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I expect trump will say corona virus is no worse than a common cold and people should buy stock.
 

Arm Van Dam

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"The stock market looks great and the corona, actually seriously buy some stock in AB InBev people, stocks are yugely high for them because of Corona!"
 

bluexy

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The media will play a large role in whatever issues Bernie has in a hypothetical GE. Just look at what they did to Hillary. It's very like what is happening with Cuba.



Chris Hayes is showing us what we'll be dealing with in a few months. Almost all the top search results are bombarding us with Cuba when he handled it well enough at the debate and CNN town hall. This is not going to stop because the media wants it to keep going.

preach, hayes, preach.
 

IggyChooChoo

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CDC warning that it's a matter of time and people going 'It's just the common cold/flu' will be incredibly stupid considering any and every death that COVID causes here in the states will have a massive spotlight on it.
Purely on the political implications: I think people are underestimating how disastrous it will be for Trump if he's caught during a real crisis looking even half as dishonest and incompetent as we all know he is. Events have given him an easy hand so far. Right now estimates are that coronavirus has severe effects between 15-20% of the time. That means hospitalization, which in turn means it has the potential to utterly swamp the hospitals and health care system in a way we haven't seen in the US in a century, even if those percentages are inflated. I don't think even a competent, honest, and unifying president could reasonably expect to survive an outcome like that, much less a dishonest, incompetent, divisive one, who can only think in terms of media strategy at the best of times.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Outside of New Jersey, which state does he have any chance in?
Bloomberg? Oh I don't think any. Just the moderates are going to need to figure out something quick if they want to be able to be more focused on Bernie and blunt him. I think with 3, assuming Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg, there will be decent enough clarity possible there - with Bloomberg pulling up the rear.

I mean, yeah, he should certainly drop out, but he's a massive filthy rich asshole with nothing to do.
 

Hopfrog

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Purely on the political implications: I think people are underestimating how disastrous it will be for Trump if he's caught during a real crisis looking even half as dishonest and incompetent as we all know he is. Events have given him an easy hand so far. Right now estimates are that coronavirus has severe effects between 15-20% of the time. That means hospitalization, which in turn means it has the potential to utterly swamp the hospitals and health care system in a way we haven't seen in the US in a century, even if those percentages are inflated. I don't think even a competent, honest, and unifying president could reasonably expect to survive an outcome like that, much less a dishonest, incompetent, divisive one, who can only think in terms of media strategy at the best of times.

Not only that, but think of the direct economic effect of trade disruption and people missing work. That is what has Trump freaked, and understandably so, as even he is intelligent enough to understand that a poorly-handled health crisis that also leads to an economic downturn is not what you want leading into an election.
 

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SCOOP: Former head of the FDA Scott Gottlieb under consideration by WH for new role as a coronavirus czar.

WH considering a handful of ppl for newly created position as path of pandemic spreads w/@ddiamond: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/trump-coronavirus-press-conference-wednesday-117663 …



HHS Sec Alex Azar tells @Bonnie4Congressthat there will be no Coronavirus Czar, says he's got this, it's a very smooth interagency process, swipes Obama for doing an Ebola Czar https://c-span.org/video/?c4857210/user-clip-alex-azar

18 minutes later: White House floats a Czar https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-czar/white-house-is-considering-appointment-of-coronavirus-sideczar-politico-idUSKCN20K2G2 …
 

IggyChooChoo

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Not only that, but think of the direct economic effect of trade disruption and people missing work. That is what has Trump freaked, and understandably so, as even he is intelligent enough to understand that a poorly-handled health crisis that also leads to an economic downturn is not what you want leading into an election.
Absolutely. Trump so far has been basically setting expectations that this is going to be comparable to disease outbreaks we've seen in recent memory, and it increasingly looks like that is considerably understating things. That it's not a problem for the public to worry about. And because the public is not yet decided about the issue, it's not yet harmful to him.

But once the public understanding shifts to being genuinely afraid of this virus, Trump's downplaying makes it much, much harder to buy him as a competent problem-solver. He's just someone who got coronavirus wrong, and suddenly we're all paying for it.
 

cameron

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www.pbs.org

Court sides with Trump in 'sanctuary cities' grant fight

The decision overturned a lower court's decision ordering the administration to release funding to New York City and seven states.
NEW YORK (AP) — The Trump administration can withhold millions of dollars in law enforcement grants to force states to cooperate with U.S. immigration enforcement, a federal appeals court in New York ruled Wednesday in a decision that conflicted with three other federal appeals courts.
The decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan overturned a lower court's decision ordering the administration to release funding to New York City and seven states — New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and Rhode Island.
The states and city sued the U.S. government after the Justice Department announced in 2017 that it would withhold grant money from cities and states until they gave federal immigration authorities access to jails and provide advance notice when someone in the country illegally is about to be released.
Before the change, cities and states seeking grant money were required only to show they were not preventing local law enforcement from communicating with federal authorities about the immigration status of people who were detained.
 

AnotherNils

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Kaitos

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If Biden wins convincingly in SC it's bound to help him going into Tuesday.
The problem with that is that Mike is still siphoning off a lot from him and Bernie is gonna do decently well if he gets second.

Like, even if Biden gets first in SC, where does he get a big delegate win in ST? He'll come out around even (at best) in Texas. Same with NC, VA, TN, OK, AR... He can probably net a few delegates out of AL but that has nothing on Sanders sweeping CA/UT/CO/VT/ME.

The problem for Biden is he isn't going to run away with any state on ST while Bernie is gonna run away with a few, and one of them is the biggest prize of them all.
 

adam387

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Apparently Bernie likes extra sharp cheddar. This is literally the only thing I've ever liked about him.
 

Psamtik

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Biden and Bernie seem to legitimately like one another, so if it comes down to them this could end up being a much less acrimonious primary. Wishful thinking, I'm sure.
 

Box of Kittens

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Whoever they are they should be in prison
Lest anyone think I just made it up. It's actually a thing.

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