You can pick multiple people. Also Bloomberg should be coming in thirdish but he's 6th. He really did not come off well lol
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You can pick multiple people. Also Bloomberg should be coming in thirdish but he's 6th. He really did not come off well lol
Easily the worst answer of the debate. So many (damn near most) white gays really have an extreme race blind spot.
Of course it is - but is that something new? It was an effective line against Bernie so trying to make it seem like a swipe at Civil Rights is the play
the optics are odious and do not reflect well on him, at all
So, just so I'm following, there are no bad optics about praising Castro because people will do their research and it'll all be hunky dory.
But the optics of this are somehow......horrible? Ya, no. Not buying that.
It was totally clear what Pete was getting at. To try and make it into he hates black people and the Civil Rights movement is gross. I mean, hey, it's politics, so they can have at it...but that's so not even close to an intelligent attack on him...especially when, you know, there are actual things in his record they could go after him on.....
Well people in here do deny that often, every time there is a debate, but that wasn't really what I was referring to. His constant talking over other people was annoying, albeit an obvious tactic to, you know, get speaking time. But the thing that makes me roll my eyes here is all the constant "he's so fake, he's so phony, he's so slimy, what a snake" shit that gets flung around on a daily basis. Partly because of how childish it sounds (Pete Buttigieg is someone's idea of a political snake?) and partly because of how incongruous it sounds coming out of a group of people that were largely so supportive and defensive of Hillary Clinton who was so often labeled in the exact same manner.
I hate getting into this detour because it's not like Pete's my first or second choice here, I just think the extent to which he's framed as a villain in here is such overkill that it sounds delusional. Someone once compared him to Breitbart!
I mean, on the one hand, yeah.
On the other hand, it's fair play when everyone there knows what say Sanders means on his comments in regard to Cuba and ate just pretending not to and attack him on it anyway.
Can't get too on Sanders' case for doing that when everyone's pretending not to know what he means on something like that when it's obvious just because it's politically expedient to do that, so just fair game there as far as I'm concerned.
Bloomberg should bribe him for God's sake. I don't think Bullock himself gets it. The odds of McConnell keeping a majority dive significantly in a scenario where they lose Montana. Repubs are sweating bullets about CO, AZ, NC, Iowa and Maine as it is. Kris Kobach isn't exactly the most popular guy in Kansas either. I mean... maybe they would vote for Kobach just to get him out of the state and back in DC? lol
I'm pretty sure the political slang for this is called Pundit Brain. It's what happens when voters watch too much cable news and start strategizing like Pundits who don't know much more than we do to begin with.
Yeah, I definitely agree about the Florida dem party, but I think AOC and Bernie's hispanic outreach game could surprise us under the right circumstances. I don't wish for it either, but I do worry about this economy and COVID 19 could make things go sour much faster than we expected. If things really do go South economically Trump is in SERIOUS trouble in all the swing states.
I'll tell you what the TV audience saw tonight. They saw a frontrunner being assaulted from all sides. Everyone expects a candidate to have to defend himself against other candidates, but what they don't expect to see are bought off caviar crowds and biased moderators attacking him/her, too. Americans love a good underdog story and Bernie just holding steady against the world is exactly the sort of thing we go for. Maybe next time CBS and the DNC will hide their shame.
Pete saying "This is not about what coups were happening in the 70s and 80s, this is about the future" royally pissed me off
A total dismissal of the fact that those coups led to the deaths of thousands and destabilized many countries in our region, with problems that last to this day.
I mean, no one cares. Because who in the United States would care about Arbenz and Goulart. But it still angered me.
A total dismissal of the fact that those coups led to the deaths of thousands and destabilized many countries in our region, with problems that last to this day.
I mean, no one cares. Because who in the United States would care about Arbenz and Goulart. But it still angered me.
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It's not that Pete is a racist, hates black people or he thinks that the Civil Rights movement is gross. It's that he has a big blind spot when it comes to race just like Bernie has a blind spot when it comes to socialism/communism (ie. he is NOT a communism and doesn't sympathize with communists like Castro). So Pete has to work over time not to make these missteps when referring to something that might be racially charged.
I got bad vibes from Sanders's unsatisfactory answer on his gun votes.
Like I said, it's politics. They can have at it. I just think it's the dumbest line of attack when there are actual shitty things Pete has done on issues related to racial justice. To make one up to fit a narrative is super silly to me. Everyone knows what he meant with that line.
And, I'll say this again, people lose their goddamn mind over Pete. I swear to god. There is literally one other candidate in the history of politics that triggers people like he does, and I genuinely do not freaking get it. And folks say those of us who dislike Bernie go hard. lol
Honestly people lose their minds over Sanders too. And Hillary Clinton.
I would say that people lose their mind the most over Hillary Clinton.
The argument isn't that Pete disavows the civil rights movement, it's that his statement was vapid when given more than a moments thought. it was statement generated by working backwards from a feeling/line of attack without any thought for the implications.
It's sloppy for the Buttigieg campaign. Maybe uncharacteristically so.
The statement sucked. What does anyone think of the 1960s besides Civil Rights? lmfao.
It's almost like Pete's shitty history with racial issues and his laughable POC support only makes his "mistake" magnitudes worse.
Oh well.
Oh well.
"Interventions" lol.
If there is one benefit of Sanders' uprising, it's these pundits consistently showing their asses and biases when it comes to government programs and foreign policy.
Whether it be slamming Sanders for not going to AIPAC (they're inviting an actual Nazi this time round) or claiming that college grads can find first jobs that pay $80,000, these guys are performative actors in the worst ways possible.
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Yes, she's the one I meant! Pete and Hillary seem to make people just go fucking apeshit.
Like. He's not going to be the nominee. He's not going to be the Veep. He's not going to be anything.
Pick a decade, any decade. We'll have a decade themed thread.
Anyway, attack Pete on his actual shitty things he's done. That's totally good. We should do that. But that People for Bernie Sanders whatever has more Tweets on this stupid thing than on anything Bloomberg said during the whole debate. Pete is no threat to Bernie.
Now imagining the entire democratic field coming down with coronavirus
I didn't think of the Civil Rights at all till people on the internet started talking.
When Pete mentioned "revolutionary politics of the 60s", what did you think about?
I couldn't imagine running a presidential campaign while having the cold, insane to me. Major props to Warren and Pete
That's really on you really.
There's three things that define the 1960s in terms of politics:
- Vietnam
- Cuban Missile Crisis
- Civil Rights Movement
Just about everyone thinks about these things when we talk about politics in the 1960s and I'm not even from America.
You know Pete's sick if he is missing three fundraisers.
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It would be a woman. He's said that.
I meant to say this earlier, but I forgot:
That fucking framing on that AIPAC question was gross. Ones Jewishness is not determined by how much support they throw AIPACs way. Fuck that shit.
Figured it was a reference to Castro and similar movements. The thought of a non Bloomberg Democrat shitting on the Civil Rights Movement does not compute.
Space race? JFK assassination? Or RFK or Malcolm X or MLK? Beatles? Goldwater v LBJ? Vietnam?
i didnt know biden said it would be a woman.
in other news i feel like Bernie has softened his language somewhat on whether his VP would be a woman. Early last year he was very sure in his response when asked and lately he's been like 'yeah we'll try but it wont be an old white man thats for sure.' i think there's a non-zero chance his VP is gonna be a POC dude
All the political revolutions of the 1960s were good lol
Civil rights, antiwar, second wave feminism, gay rights, the countercultures
Pete SHOULD have said Bernie wants to take us back to the political revolutions of the 1950s when the Cuban Revolution actually happened. Would have been a better line too cause he could have made hay out of the rhetoric that both Trump and Bernie wanna take us back to the 50s, just in different ways. They are both old divisive men fighting old divisive battles I'm the future let's come together etc
Civil rights, antiwar, second wave feminism, gay rights, the countercultures
Pete SHOULD have said Bernie wants to take us back to the political revolutions of the 1950s when the Cuban Revolution actually happened. Would have been a better line too cause he could have made hay out of the rhetoric that both Trump and Bernie wanna take us back to the 50s, just in different ways. They are both old divisive men fighting old divisive battles I'm the future let's come together etc
Not sure what this is supposed to prove. Four of the people you listed were players in the Civil Rights movement and obviously Pete wouldn't be talking about this Beatles on a debate stage.
Also :
Summer of love
Hippies
Counter culture
anti war movement
LSD
But still CRM is first on the list imo
also:
Summer of love
Hippies
Counter culture
anti war movement
LSD
But still CRM is first on the list imo
Bernie thinks Revolution 9 is a good song. What else is he wrong about
Catching up with post debate stuff, Bernie just said in a post debate NBC interview that he's basically for getting rid of the filibuster now. (Basically making it a talking filibuster) Good to see. Was going to be impossibly to pass anything otherwise.
The tweet's obviously referring to the cold war and issues with communism in the time period (hi bay of pigs!) It's worded badly but from the context it's not hard to figure out what it's going after - you don't go "social order of the 50s bad" and follow it up with "desegregation bad".
America has done a lot to make it seem like the Civil Rights movement was not seen as radical at the time and there weren't a lot of people happy when figures like Malcolm X,, Martin Luther King, and Fred Hampton were assassinated or how the US Government stalked and worked to systematically delegitimize these powerful movements.
I'm not sure if Pete believes in that myth or if he was just trying to shit on Sanders for being radical enough to say everyone should be guaranteed quality healthcare.
I'm not sure if Pete believes in that myth or if he was just trying to shit on Sanders for being radical enough to say everyone should be guaranteed quality healthcare.
Then he should start talking about it more publicly then.
A lot of the movements of the 60s were attacked, surveilled and delegitimized at an official level for being secret "communist" seditionists.
Wait the bay of pigs was the US' fuckup, not revolutionary politics lol
People were pushing for communism at the time. Communism was a legitimately awful economic system that fucked over countries using it.
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