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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Biden won that debate. Let's see if it does anything
CBS should be banned from hosting another one of these
CBS should be banned from hosting another one of these
Biden's best debate and Bernie's worst debate, which is incredibly important timing.
Warren tanking seeming through no fault of her own is this whole primary's biggest crime.
Bloomberg was better but still just horrible.
Steyer and Klobb were fine but shouldn't be here.
Pete can just fuck right the fuck off. He's awesome at being an asshole to try to prove a point, but he shouldn't be here.
Warren tanking seeming through no fault of her own is this whole primary's biggest crime.
Bloomberg was better but still just horrible.
Steyer and Klobb were fine but shouldn't be here.
Pete can just fuck right the fuck off. He's awesome at being an asshole to try to prove a point, but he shouldn't be here.
Not words I would have expected to see!
Brokered conventions aren't anything new ya gooses.
You don't think Obama and Hillary made a deal and he had all that momentum behind him.
Well it won't be called q brokered convention but a deal will be made.
You don't think Obama and Hillary made a deal and he had all that momentum behind him.
Well it won't be called q brokered convention but a deal will be made.
this is my take too. i thought sanders had some decent answers to hard questions, but they were town hall answers. not debate answers. not answers where someone trying to shank him is going to turn it around immeduately, or where an audience that can afford $1700 tickets can boo you. he'll benefit from the debate being shit, but if he wants to make super tuesday a definitive win he needs to refocus the narrative.
this debate just sucked and half the people on that stage should end their campaigns already.
I'm going to say something strange here... Yang is an acceptable panel commentator. He talks it out like a jaded internet addict (and he is, so, hey!) and it's a level of informality the stuffy discussions need.
In the future, the DNC needs to narrow the field earlier. It's in their best interest. These numerous debates with 6+ people have only served to fuck people's minds more and muddy the choice. No one knows what the fuck they want and when a winner starts emerging (Bernie it seems) people start wetting the bed and twitter/24 hr media starts losing their shit.
He needs better answers on (in general):
*Cuba and communist/socialist regimes.
*His gun votes and record.
*Filibuster.
Well mostly the first one to be honest. 2nd and 3rd don't really matter in GE.
Bernie got hit for being pro-gun? GOOD. If it persuades a Republican or independent to vote for him in the general, he's doing well. Ffs, anyone who thinks gun control is a primary divide issue is wild. It sure as hell is a general election issue tho. Go pro-gun Bernie, you need the votes and I doubt a democrat is gonna stop voting cause your not tough on guns.
Cuba tho you completely fucked Florida. And God help us in the House.
Cuba tho you completely fucked Florida. And God help us in the House.
Like I already said it, but yeah, despite me getting it because Sanders is currently the front-runner and all, it still really bugged me that everyone was interested in going after Sanders on his Cuba comments, but everyone, ironically, except Bernie himself, completely ignoring Bloomberg acting in any way like China is a democracy. Bleh.
Seeing replay clips and ones without extra context look just horrendous for Sanders. It's the worst possible timing for him. He was almost a different person than the last debate. The hell happened?
I stopped watching 30 or so minutes in, but judging from what people here are saying Biden seemed to do the best. After I tuned out, apparently Bernie recovered some. I feel like this debate wont change anything in the polls. Hell, the last debate barely did anything. Bloomberg dipped a tiny bit but recovered soon after (for some fucking reason).
The only thing this debate did was, once again, remind me about how I hate almost every one of these candidates and wish for the primary to be over.
The only thing this debate did was, once again, remind me about how I hate almost every one of these candidates and wish for the primary to be over.
So the real question is, does the debate move any needles? We saw that after Warren's takedown of Bloomberg, he's at the same spot, and she has lost a bit of ground...
Because the media loves to coddle Cubans despite the rest of the Caribbean being looted and exploited to hell by Europe and being in worse disrepair.
Ask Haitians how they feel about Cubans getting lenient immigration policy in Florida despite being having the worst abject poverty in the western hemisphere.
Really?
I feel that this is the same Sanders we've seen since 2016. Honestly, he sounds exactly the same. You either love it or hate it.
Never mind a lot of those Cubans probably just want their land and "chattel" back.
I'm not even lying, I think Bernie's answer on his gun vote is probably the worst answer I've seen in a debate in a very, very, very, very long time. If ever.
This is gross. We have children being gun downed in schools, and because of a vote Bernie Sanders made, we cannot sue gun manufacturers. Bernie's stance on guns is gross, and no one should be cheering it on. There are a lot of things we can change our positions on to make us more palatable to the general electorate, but we shouldn't because it's wrong. Bernie is wrong on guns. Period.
Doubt it, Biden was set to win SC and he will probably win. Bernie should come in 2nd and based on this debate performance from others... no one else is viable in SC.
Bernie's answer on the gun law was not a great answer but like... he did admit he was wrong when he made that vote before. That's rare coming from Sanders.
My parents are both Jamaican and I fucking roll my eyes every time I hear Cuban conservatives whine about Obama ending wet foot dry foot. What a fucking joke.
Christ what an awful debate. Shit moderators, ad breaks in the middle of answers, questions from Twitter for fuck's sake. To say nothing of the crowd of Bloomberg plants.
Pete probably had the best overall showing though his progressively louder talking over other people definitely grated.
Warren had a lot of great answers but overall didn't have as commanding of a show here that she had last week. I think if she had repeated last week's performance she might be in a good spot for ST. I don't think tonight will end up changing her chances at all.
I feel a little bad for Biden, who had some great moments, both in terms of answers and these little flashes of charm. But the moderators really did not give a shit about giving him time to speak versus everyone else.
Amy was a non-factor. Steyer got more time than he really deserved. Bloomberg had a better debate overall (not that that's a hard bar to clear) but so many of his answers are still just terrible. The man couldn't even bring himself to say the word settlements when talking about Israel.
Bernie, who typically has consistently good not great debates, had maybe his worst debate ever. Probably because for the first time he was both the frontrunner and he was treated like it by everyone else on stage. He had good answers, particularly on Israel, but his responses on guns, the filibuster, and leftist LatAm dictators are still really shit. The guns vote is a genuine weakness of his and I don't know why he can't just limit his answer on this to, "It was a bad vote and it won't happen again." His humility on it was actually nice to hear for a moment, but the fact that he opened with "well Joe voted for NAFTA and the Iraq War" is both such a lame, bad look AND it's self-defeating. Because if Bernie can be forgiven for taking bad votes why can't Biden be forgiven for bad votes? That's not a door Bernie wants to be opening!
And I know a lot of the attacks on Bernie's comments re: Castro, Ortega, et al are often in bad faith or taken out of context and generally unfair. But this whole line of conversation still makes me nervous every time it comes up and it feels like a rake that Bernie keeps walking into.
Pete probably had the best overall showing though his progressively louder talking over other people definitely grated.
Warren had a lot of great answers but overall didn't have as commanding of a show here that she had last week. I think if she had repeated last week's performance she might be in a good spot for ST. I don't think tonight will end up changing her chances at all.
I feel a little bad for Biden, who had some great moments, both in terms of answers and these little flashes of charm. But the moderators really did not give a shit about giving him time to speak versus everyone else.
Amy was a non-factor. Steyer got more time than he really deserved. Bloomberg had a better debate overall (not that that's a hard bar to clear) but so many of his answers are still just terrible. The man couldn't even bring himself to say the word settlements when talking about Israel.
Bernie, who typically has consistently good not great debates, had maybe his worst debate ever. Probably because for the first time he was both the frontrunner and he was treated like it by everyone else on stage. He had good answers, particularly on Israel, but his responses on guns, the filibuster, and leftist LatAm dictators are still really shit. The guns vote is a genuine weakness of his and I don't know why he can't just limit his answer on this to, "It was a bad vote and it won't happen again." His humility on it was actually nice to hear for a moment, but the fact that he opened with "well Joe voted for NAFTA and the Iraq War" is both such a lame, bad look AND it's self-defeating. Because if Bernie can be forgiven for taking bad votes why can't Biden be forgiven for bad votes? That's not a door Bernie wants to be opening!
And I know a lot of the attacks on Bernie's comments re: Castro, Ortega, et al are often in bad faith or taken out of context and generally unfair. But this whole line of conversation still makes me nervous every time it comes up and it feels like a rake that Bernie keeps walking into.
Well he had the same answers mostly and the same talking points, but maybe everyone attacking him got under his skin? He got creamed up there in a way I can't ever remember seeing before. His body language was brutal and he did the old man shouting at cloud thing multiple times.
It was a weak answer but I mean Bernie flatly admitted he was wrong on the vote.
How that is the weakest debate answer people have seen in a while compared to fucking bloomberg and pete botching race relation questions is mind boggling.
How that is the weakest debate answer people have seen in a while compared to fucking bloomberg and pete botching race relation questions is mind boggling.
I disagree and the votes he needs either don't care about guns, care more for stuff like M4A, or care about guns. He must begin looking towards the general election.
His support for the filbuster is also important in countering the rhetoric he is causing a "revolution" or "worse than Trump".
Ain't no point in this primary if we don't choose a winner
I'm going to keep saying this, but Sanders comments on Cuba is not what is going to sink him in FL. It's the democratic apparatus in that state that will sink his ass. Older Cubans are not going to vote for a Dem period, and to have any chance in FL you need to not be completely clueless. Democrats in Fl don't know what they are doing, and I have little faith that Sanders has people in his campaign that know how to get non latinx to come out and vote for him.
Their cable news channel is already streaming-only (but free for anyone on the planet to watch at least), so I'm not sure how much more demoted they can get.
There have never been definite numbers, but Hillary got massive margins in Miami-Dade and FL-26 and 27 because a lot of Cubans split their tickets for her. By some measures she won Cubans in Miami-Dade County.
I'm not saying it'll impact anything I'm just saying it's not the sign of a good debate answer.
In some ways I don't blame him. Because of his disastrous center right /right wing voting history with regard to guns he really has no defense but "Biden voted badly too!"
So, okay, just no. Firstly, everyone in the democratic party cares about guns. And, let's be frank, if anyone other than Bernie Sanders had voted the way he has on guns, they would be dragged six ways to Sunday. Bernie voted against the Brady Bill five times. He voted to allow guns on AMTRAK. He voted to shield gun manufacturers, a gigantic big business full of millionaires and billionaires from legal liability. These votes are, and have always been, disqualfiying in me supporting him (until I literally have no other choice.) It has nothing whatsoever to do with looking forward to the general election, but has everything to do with retroactively making sure everything Bernie has ever done is okay. Notice, he didn't take ownership of his "bad vote" until he tried to attack Biden for NAFTA and Iraq. Bernie's voting record on guns is actually outsdie the democratic mainstream. That's not even taking into account his "Guns in Chicago are different than the ones in Vermont."
The filibuster thing is the most annoying part of Bernie's candidacy. Pete was 100% right. How are you going to bring about a revolution if you won't vote to change a rule. Of all the things Bernie is willing to throw away, the filibuster is the one thing he wants to keep because, shockingly for someone who has only had a job in politics, he's a pretty establishment politician! Shocking, I know!
Anyway, I said this before I'll say it again:
These candidates are damn lucky they're going to be running against Trump, because they're all horrible.
Wasn't that the oddity of Rubio getting called fairly early but the presidential race taking longer?
Bernie survived but I am extremely curious to see what happens in SC. Im guessing Clyburn got what he wanted and that endorsement is coming.
Yeah it definitely wasn't a good debate answer and it's exactly the sort of answer that makes people hate politicians.
It's the sort of thing that grates me more than the shittiness of Bloomberg.
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