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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Sure, but there are still fallbacks under a public option where employer coverage isn't gone. You can also have supplemental insurance options that would (theoretically) be available to purchase should the GOP gut the sexual health/gender affirming therapies part of the program. I still think it's a better line of attack than "It costs too much." A coordinated attack with "Do you want to put Mitch in charge of your healthcare" seems, at least to me, way more effective than THIRTY TRILLIONDY BILLIONDY DOLLARS"
How is being uninsured and poor as fuck any better of a fallback because the GOP gutted the public option enrollment? Like seriously.
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Well, under Biden's and Pete's plan there would be no uninsured. There would be the public option that anyone who wanted could enroll in, including those who didn't have employer based coverage. I certainly am aware that far too many trans folks are underinsured and unable to afford gender affirming therapies. That's something that we absolutely have to change. But I'm thinking of one of the guys at my husband's work. He's trans and his therapies are covered under our group plan. However, if we got rid of that, and then the GOP strips gender affirming treatment, he'd be super boned compared to now. I don't think it's totally unreasonable to be worried about the GOP going in and gutting aspects of medical care they don't care for or don't want to see covered.
There should be no uninsured in this country, on that we 100% agree. I just don't trust the GOP to not completely fuck over people the minute they get the chance, and I think that line of attack makes more sense than HOW MUCH WILL IT COST THOUGH.
It's fine.
If I had even a slim chance of beating Menendez and then whoever the GOP nominee is I absolutely would go for it.
Conservative in the sense people seemed to feel like it was expensive for coverage that didn't seem much different and in that it took years for major provisions to start kicking in.
ACA was a massive campaign point and was attacked to years. My timeline was off, though. 2012 and beyond seemed to be the loudest against it.
Either way, we're on our way to one step forward and multiple steps back just barely 10 years after original passage of a heavily compromised and conservative bill in it's origins. How much more conservative and incremental does a health care bill need to be to survive for a longer time period?
This is another solid Bernie ad on the heels of the McCain one:
Are you not aware of the Pop Tarts vs. Toaster Strudel war? It's been waging for many moons among people who don't know what food is. I was just wondering if Hot Pockets had a sworn enemy on that level.
Are you not aware of the Pop Tarts vs. Toaster Strudel war? It's been waging for many moons among people who don't know what food is. I was just wondering if Hot Pockets had a sworn enemy on that level.
Wouldn't put it past him as some sort of gotcha
Eh. It's fine as long as that trash stays in one place.
What would be stopping someone adding a supplemental plan in that type of situation?
Is there anything specifically preventing the offering of a supplemental plan for situations like you've described?
Not if that one place is being broadcast to every home in America.
Bernie's plan specifically outlaws/bans private insurance of any kind. A supplemental plan that would allow additional coverage is a great thing.
He sucks so bad at everything. Wealth must give you the brain worms
Yeah, I've had a ton of trump supporters tell me that while they vehemently disagree with Sanders, they actually LIKE him... that's pretty huge - they can't say that about any of the other Dems.
Obviously that's not a reason to get behind Sanders, but it makes him not someone who'll be so easy to beat -I could be wrong, but it feels like more swing trump-voters would pull the lever for Sanders than most other Dems.
I see. I think that's something that would be worked on when the realities of legislation gets underway.
Good
Private industry health care has a built in conflict of interest with the health and well being of human beings in the pursuit of profit.
Fuck that
Warren was strong there. But more people will hear Pete talking over everyone else and prefer that type of response.
Bernie has taken more incoming in the first 15 minutes of this debate than all the other debates combined
He didn't actually try to level a comeback, he went on the stump. That's the issue.
Pete just talks over people; he did it last debate with Klob, now with Bernie. Follow the damn rules.
Woke Pete coming out.
Woke Pete coming out.
He has a tendency to do that. It works if you haven't heard it a ridiculous amount of times, I suppose.
Invoke MLK. God damn these race questions make me cringe so much from everyone but Bernie, Biden and Warren.
She needs to win over some of his voters and/or divert voters peeling off of the others on to her. She needs to highlight the differences and push forward a brand of progressive pragmatism or she is done. It is her only chance.
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