And when/if Bernie loses, and the bulk of his supporters go back to not caring or decrying both sides as the same, the ESTABLISHMENT will be there picking up the pieces and trying again. Because that's what you do. You just try, try again.
Are there people here saying they won't accept him as the nominee?
i think there's a zone between "i don't want bernie" and "ok, fine, i support bernie and will act that out" that usually involves a lot of "fuck, bernie's winning this, but i hate bernie and can't help vocalizing that" we're currently crossing.
The point is it's a bad statement because it's going to be taken out of context. Of course it doesn't help when other Democrats are doing the right's work for them.
This is politics, when you are explaining and expecting people to go out of their way to watch something that can VERY easily be taken out of context, you fucked up.
I mean, not to be "that guy" but uh, you know that's how things work in politics. Bernie isn't entitled to me, you or Cher herself liking him. He's entitled to my vote, that's it. When he does dumb things, that make it harder not only for him but for the rest of the party to win, he's going to get called out on that. He should get called out on that. He is not entitled to blind adoration simply because he is going to be the nominee. He fucks up, he gets called out on it. That's true for Biden. That's true for Warren. That's true for ... well literally everything about Bloomberg.
You are never, ever, ever going to get people to understand nuance. Period. Never. We live in a world where a Tweet is what people take from the news. That's literally the most you can expect.
That's true. I also expected this to come into play eventually. I didn't know it was going to be on 60 Minutes, but so be it.
That's the thing, they won't. Especially when they don't have the rest of the context.
absolutely agree 100%. let's just not call that acceptence+constructive criticism without without calling it out as kinda BS, ya?
Hmm...now where are we seeing this behavior with farmers right now?
- undervoting because of "course Trump wouldn't win"
The problem is that if an authoritarian regime calls itself communist/socialist/etc., there are some that will suddenly be sympathetic to it even though it's plainly obvious it's the same shit with a different coat of pain. Bernie's got enough of a track record of questionable statements earlier in his career where he needs to show he's grown out of that shit.
That's actually a different problem: destroying an industry with bad policy and printing a lot of money to try and paper over it.
Oh, JABEE, you've suddenly developed faith in the American voter! Who says all leftists are jaded and disenchanted?
he"ll be called a communist again by Bloomberg, Bernie will respond by talking about healthcare and education in the nordic countries and then we"ll move on
I hope so too, but the thing is...that's going to require give and take on both sides. It's not going to be a one way street. Bernie absolutely has to be more careful in putting down ballot people in positions where they have to disavow some of the shit he's said/saying. Like, there's a reason Shalalalala immediately came out against this, because it actually has the potential to hurt her. She's in a safe seat, but her margin wasn't the best. She's not going to want to be painted with the "Actually Castro did some pretty good stuff" brush.
Welcome to politics, where the rules are made up and being right doesn't matter.
what you hear as "they" means something much more substantial to me. that doesn't mean i meant they. and it's unfair to insinuate that i did. we're two people talking. i'd hope you''d take my words as sincere until i've given you reason to believe otherwise.
Biden's problems are fundamentally due to bad organization. He came in with the best natural position (popular former VP of a hyper popular politician) and let it slip through his fingers because his campaign's been a shitshow.
I mean I think the extent to which they are fine is totally subjective. They're not disqualifying or anything like that, but you immediately see elected Reps coming out against them because it makes their lives harder.
This is why thresholds will be crucial on ST and even more important in delegate rich places like CA and TX.
Yep. If you can't compete in every district. It's going to be tough.
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So that's why Pete's complaining about the results.It says here:
Biden to grab second in Nevada, winning delegates, NBC News projects
The former VP picked up seven delegates, while Buttigieg, coming in third, took two delegates. The winner, Sanders, grabbed 18.
Am I misreading this? Because it seems like Pete is actually getting 0 delegates if NBC is right.
Ah, thanks.
