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To be fair, Bernie isn't Corbyn; who had/has legitimate anti-scemetic issues within Labor.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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I guess Bernie was being thoughtful by not letting us stay in suspense by waiting on Florida results on election day.
For all the hand-wringing about FL, Bloomberg seems to be about the only person looking good there by a wide margin looking at RCP polling averages. Outside of Biden and ironically Sanders, no other person polls ahead of Trump. And if Bloomberg is the person who the FL electorate truly wants, it's a lost cause anyway and not shocking that state would go for the second most and even arguably the most racist person in this race.
And unfortunately for Biden, he can't seem to campaign and it's basically on life support. And Bloomberg isn't sniffing the nom on account of his massive racism among other things.
And unfortunately for Biden, he can't seem to campaign and it's basically on life support. And Bloomberg isn't sniffing the nom on account of his massive racism among other things.
I hope the other candidates keep attacking Bloomberg. I know Bernie's the frontrunner and all, so I have no doubt he'll get attacked too, but Bloomberg is easily the biggest issue that Democrats have right now. No one but people he's paying want him. No one.
Agreed lest they become twisted like they always do via Republican smears see: Obama, both Clinton's and Kerry
Corbyn's problem was his Brexit policy. Everything is just extra.
The conservatives quickly adopted leave and everyone, including the micro parties, stepped in line. They promised an end of the uncertainty, even if it would result in the UK eating shit.
I don't think Labor promised anything definitively and Corbyn tried to run from the issue by trying to have it both ways. That doesn't work when the other party is being clear with what they're offering. The election itself was incredibly policy light.
Look up the following terms -
- Baking cookies, ala Hillary Clinton in 1992
- Lockbox, Gore 2000
Sighing during debates, ala Gore 2000
- Swiftboating, Kerry 2004
- "Acceptable level of terrorism", ala Kerry
- Reverend Jeremiah Wright
- Kale, ala Obama
- Tan suit, ala Obama
And more.
Not a single campaign is not beset by weird shit that seems inconsequential, until it does. And it works.
i mean it's going to be against trump. of course it's going to be a nightmare. the difference, imo, is going to be whether establishment dems choose trump over sanders. we're definitely seeing the start of that process, the introspection, already. it's going to be a rough few months as they decide their priorities.
As far as a wide swath of Americans were concerned, the underlying scandal of the Obama administration was that there was a black President. Any little scandal would have stuck to him because of that. The inconvenient fact that he was (personally) the most squeaky-clean President in US History led to lots of tacky little shit like the tan suit being thrown at him.
The media and moderate Dems are going to have a collective aneurysm.
The tan suit and saluting with a coffee cup "controversies" should tell you all you need to know about Republicans and Democrats not being held to the same standard. So when it's pointed out how Bernie saying positives things about Casto isn't helpful, countering that Trump says nice things about racists and dictators doesn't mean a damn thing
Yeah this is the thing. Obama was so pristine (well minus stuff like drone striking but I doubt GOP cares about) that they tried to manufacture anything on him.
The stupidest thing is he actually looks good in the tan suit.
Let's see Trump in a tan suit. Or.. let's not.
I love her.
She should have tried for the House/office earlier. She's already 79.
Let's see Trump in a tan suit. Or.. let's not.
I love her.
She should have tried for the House/office earlier. She's already 79.
Donna Shalala is not going to be voting Trump over Sanders!
Date sort of important on that one! You can get away with more nuance as a lame duck President.
The nominee also has obligations to the rest of the party and people running downballot - namely, to make their elections as easy as possible and not creating unnecessary puddles for them to avoid.
You know, I get so tired of the word "establishment." It's so overused it's ridiculous. These no good horrible establishment democrats are the ones who have been working in, for and near the party for 30 years. Not fucking off to Vermont to be an Independent when the mood suits. But more than that, these no good, horrible, terrible establishment democrats are the ones Bernie is going to need to pass his agenda.
By all means, run against Trump, run against the GOP, run against THE ESTABLISHMENT, run against the party, run against all of it. Why not!?
You can say and do a lot of shit when you no longer have to run for office
Of course it is. I'm not saying what Sanders did was a smart thing but other dems calling him out while staying mute about Obama is a pretty hypocritical look.
So now we're entering the phase where we accept him as the nominee, but any time we offer constructive criticism that would help him as well as all the other Democrats in the party he wants to lead get elected, it gets dismissed as, "Moderate/corporate/spineless Dems can't handle it really want Trump blah blah."
Cool.
Cool.
absolutely. hopefully the big press outlets are getting these gotcha questions out of their system then.
well fuck me for using a widely used term i guess.
The point is valid but he needs to frame it differently. Because this is how the crony authoritarian governments retain power- they hand out benefits to placate and gain the support of various groups.
You better hope that those Democrats don't start endorsing Bloomberg more so than they already have because this rhetoric is going to be dialed up to 11.
Yep, happens with Saudi Arabia too. But they're our friends so it's ok.
i think we've been posting in different forums if you see this as the "we accept him as the nominee" phase.
And you're clearly on another planet if you don't think everyone here will accept it if it happens and vote for him.
Well to be fair, nothing we say here is is going to help anyone. He'll never see this. We're not that important.
clearly getting there isn't going to be graceful. to call what a lot of people have been posting "constructive criticism" is stretch for both of those words' definitions.
The third way is looking into the abyss.
Sanders sends Democratic establishment into panic mode
"In 30-plus years of politics, I’ve never seen this level of doom," said one prominent centrist Democrat.
www.politico.com
I mean, the "We accept him as the nominee" phase has been building up since he beat out Biden in Iowa. This isn't the start of the phase, but the middle/middle-end of it.
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