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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Joe Walsh is one of the few Republicans who actually gets it.
I can't believe those words just came out of my mouth.
I can't believe those words just came out of my mouth.
YouGov/UW Madison primary polls of PA/MI/WI:
PA - Sanders 25, Biden 20, Bloomberg 19, Buttigieg 12, Warren 9, Klobuchar 5
MI - Sanders 25, Biden 16, Bloomberg 13, Warren 13, Buttigieg 11, Klobuchar 8
WI - Sanders 30, Biden 13, Bloomberg 13, Buttigieg 12, Warren 12, Klobuchar 9
GE matchups:
PA - Sanders 47-45, Biden 46-45, Warren 45-45, Buttigieg 44-44, Klobuchar 43-43
MI - Sanders 48-41, Buttigieg 47-41, Biden 47-43, Warren 46-43, Klobuchar 44-41
WI - Sanders 46-44, Warren 46-44, Biden 45-43, Buttigieg 45-43, Klobuchar 44-43
https://www.inquirer.com/news/2020-...-trump-bernie-sanders-democrats-20200223.html
PA - Sanders 25, Biden 20, Bloomberg 19, Buttigieg 12, Warren 9, Klobuchar 5
MI - Sanders 25, Biden 16, Bloomberg 13, Warren 13, Buttigieg 11, Klobuchar 8
WI - Sanders 30, Biden 13, Bloomberg 13, Buttigieg 12, Warren 12, Klobuchar 9
GE matchups:
PA - Sanders 47-45, Biden 46-45, Warren 45-45, Buttigieg 44-44, Klobuchar 43-43
MI - Sanders 48-41, Buttigieg 47-41, Biden 47-43, Warren 46-43, Klobuchar 44-41
WI - Sanders 46-44, Warren 46-44, Biden 45-43, Buttigieg 45-43, Klobuchar 44-43
https://www.inquirer.com/news/2020-...-trump-bernie-sanders-democrats-20200223.html
Haha, yeah I'm working unusual hours trying to push a project out the door, so around this time is typically when I have time to post, plus the thread moves slower at these hours, so my wall-of-text posts don't immediately sink 5 pages back.
This is where I'm at. Bernie will get my vote in November, but nothing else. I think he can win, but the Senate and House will suffer for it. Even if the suburbs hold their nose and vote for Bernie, they'll want to have Congress be a "check" on Bernie to prevent the country from supposedly descending into full socialism. It'll be very strong argument for the GOP when we really should be eradicating them from Congress after the disastrous 3 years instead of giving them an easy way back in.
The media and progressives completely shat on Joe Walsh when he announced he was running for President, and deservedly so to an extent. But now I really do believe he found religion figuratively. The fact as a Republican he's saying it's straight-up better to have socialism rather than another 4 years of Trump is even much further than what most Never-Trumpers are willing to say. Most Never-Trumpers basically say Bernie is a "Democratic Trump" and he'll be a GE disaster. So props to Walsh, he's actually been saying all the right things and has been intellectually consistent ever since he was freed from the Matrix.
Julie Pace @jpaceDCAdvisers to Sanders' rivals know that his path to the nomination is easier as long as the primary field stays crowded.
But they all think it's the other guy or gal that needs to drop out, not them. https://apnews.com/bfcd0845c5bc45c2103832d55d0fed3a …
But they all think it's the other guy or gal that needs to drop out, not them. https://apnews.com/bfcd0845c5bc45c2103832d55d0fed3a …
8:16 AM - Feb 23, 2020
I hate to say it because I usually never advocate for people to drop out before their time, but if Warren, Klob, and Steyer don't get any traction after SC, they should drop out before Super Tuesday (won't happen). It should really just be Sanders, Booty, and Biden at this point. Biden's delegate count sucks right now but after SC and Super Tuesday, he'll probably have a good amount. Booty has finished top 3 in all the races so far, so he has an argument to keep going into Super Tuesday regardless.
But yeah some of these candidates need to swallow their pride and suspend their campaign for the good of the party. If Sanders is going to be the nominee, i'd rather him doing it by beating a single candidate in the moderate lane. It'll be a much more legitimate victory. If wins the nomination by just getting a majority of delegates but no consensus and we go to the convention, it'll be such a mess. No one will give him credit for beating a fractured moderate lane, they'll just say he pulled a Trump.
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This is...pretty good? Sanders blowing it out in MI. Though most results are within MoE
This is Biden's only hope. A good showing in SC and major dropouts thereafter. Otherwise he's path is tough because of Bloomberg (ironically enough).
Things so far with regards to moderate division have worked out for Bernie splendidly but it's about to get ugly in the next debate.
Good on Walsh.
Its been fun watching the Never Trump conservatives see the worst timeline continue to play out. Most of them are freaking out Trump is gonna slide to victory in the General, others are more cautious and see the parallels in 2016 to now. As pundits, they continue to warn and plead for voters in the primaries to vote moderates but if Bernie wins the nom I'm sure they'll fall into line vs Trump just as everyone else will.
Bernie, compromise at the convention please. A moderate for VP would help you so much and those swing States need to be attained at all costs. There is no point in 2024, you'll be dead and a federal judiciary will be so filled with conservatives, that they would probably halt any leftist progress for a decade.
Also a lot better looking in WI than that poll from a couple days back with the weird sample.
Bernie doing well with Hispanic voters might help put AZ in play as a backup.
Yup. I've been wondering on how to do that ever since this death march after Nov. 7th, 2018. I'ts not healthy and favors billionaires, dark money whores, and the lucky.
The comments people trying to argue with him on ideological lines about him sacrificing ideology for existential survival will always be the NTs cross to bear.
Eeeeeesh at that tightening. Time to rally round folks.
I know the first states are not representative of the overall primary, but I think the fact that Pete has outperformed Biden in almost all states so far makes that proposal tough to swallow for Pete.
It would make a perfect chemical weapon attack craft.
I actually disagree. Pete knows the path isn't there without voters of color. And Biden knows the funding isn't there without Pete's connections. I think it'd be a good deal for Pete.
Still haven't early voted in NC quite yet. Warren is my #1 but her campaign seems to be about finished (I did donate to her for the great job she did murdering Bloomberg though). Bernie is close behind as my #2.
I do want to cast a vote for Warren but at this point, I want Bernie to decisively start winning so we can focus on Trump.
I do want to cast a vote for Warren but at this point, I want Bernie to decisively start winning so we can focus on Trump.
Modi/MAGA:
Modi promised 7 million. A bit short:
news.sky.com
Kudlow on Friday:
Modi promised 7 million. A bit short:
India accused of 'hiding' poor people ahead of Trump visit
As a wall goes up alongside a slum area containing 2,000 people, one resident asks: "Why are they hiding us poor people?"
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Kudlow on Friday:
Once Pete gets blown out in SC, it looks more attractive.
I don't think it will happen though. It looks, and is, desperate and weak.
Maybe they'll try it after Super Tuesday though. They'll probably be desperate enough then.
(also this whole discussion seems like the five stages of grief)
these aren't awful numbers for Sanders, but only because they're certainly low right now due to the competitiveness of the primary. i'd want to see them higher if he becomes the nominee, for sure.
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Rick Wilson continues saying ng Bernie will lose 44 states.
On the one hand lol, on the other he hates Trump with the passion of a 1000 sun's.
It's a hard read.
It's his finest quality
Wow Bernie is well traveled
They are pundits, the chance for a moderate nominee remains. Once the general election begins to ramp up, they will support the nominee, Bernie as well. They hate Trump too much, and on principle.
Their support for Bernie will be based on the following, one, he won't be lawless, shit he won't even support breaking the filbuster. Two, the Senate remains R, so legislation will not be passed that is "socialist", three, I believe wholeheartedly that the moderate wing of the party will not fold to Bernie just cause he's President, if we ever took the Senate, legislation will need moderate concessions or be shot down. Four, the federal judiciary has had plenty of conservative judges, they can sleep knowing that remains no matter who is President next following Trump.
Get some perspective. The "19%" was a throwaway joke on my part. I don't like it and I don't have to like it, and plenty of Warren supporters don't like it either. I think low hanging schoolyard fruit gets in the way of her message and posture - especially when combined with her other missteps. You're free to yass it tho. More power to you. If I was legitimately trying to say she was 1:1 Trump here, you might have a point, but that's a stupid argument I never made.
Now, if she's resigned to losing, and you're in the tank for other candidates and have no interest in a Warren nomination, then I might get not caring. But I was once considering Warren over Bernie and she lost me with a combination of weird shit like this. I'd potentially still be into a Warren nomination if she'd capitalized on her debate performance, but this isn't how you do it.
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Buttigieg's campaign alleges numerous errors in caucus vote-counting - The Nevada Independent
Buttigieg's campaign alleges errors in early vote totals during the Nevada Caucus, sending a letter to the state Democratic Party. Read more here.
Former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg's campaign, in a letter sent to the Nevada State Democratic Party just before midnight on Sunday, is alleging numerous errors in how early vote totals were folded into the Caucus Day process.
The campaign is asking the party to provide early vote and in-person vote totals by precinct, correct any early vote and second alignment errors identified by campaigns and explain other anomalies in the data before releasing any final caucus results. About half of precincts had reported as of early Sunday morning, with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders leading with 46.6 percent and former Vice President Joe Biden and Buttigieg a close second and third at 19.3 percent and 15.4 percent, respectively.
"Currently our data shows that this is a razor thin margin for second place in Nevada, and due to irregularities and a number of unresolved questions we have raised with the Nevada Democratic Party, it's unclear what the final results will be," Hari Sevugan, Buttigieg's deputy campaign manager, said in a statement.
Buttigieg's campaign gave party officials a deadline of 6 a.m. to respond to the letter and asked that they take the next 24 to 48 hours to offer "the level of transparency and accuracy" promised for the caucus. A spokeswoman for the Nevada State Democratic Party did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Sunday morning.
Buttigieg's campaign alleges numerous errors in caucus vote-counting - The Nevada Independent
Buttigieg's campaign alleges errors in early vote totals during the Nevada Caucus, sending a letter to the state Democratic Party. Read more here.thenevadaindependent.com
Former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg's campaign, in a letter sent to the Nevada State Democratic Party just before midnight on Sunday, is alleging numerous errors in how early vote totals were folded into the Caucus Day process.The campaign is asking the party to provide early vote and in-person vote totals by precinct, correct any early vote and second alignment errors identified by campaigns and explain other anomalies in the data before releasing any final caucus results. About half of precincts had reported as of early Sunday morning, with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders leading with 46.6 percent and former Vice President Joe Biden and Buttigieg a close second and third at 19.3 percent and 15.4 percent, respectively."Currently our data shows that this is a razor thin margin for second place in Nevada, and due to irregularities and a number of unresolved questions we have raised with the Nevada Democratic Party, it's unclear what the final results will be," Hari Sevugan, Buttigieg's deputy campaign manager, said in a statement.Buttigieg's campaign gave party officials a deadline of 6 a.m. to respond to the letter and asked that they take the next 24 to 48 hours to offer "the level of transparency and accuracy" promised for the caucus. A spokeswoman for the Nevada State Democratic Party did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Sunday morning.
There's entirely some chance that they did screw up. New process, even as written it is messy. In Iowa satellite caucuses actually used a different method to tally results than many (most?) observers had assumed based on how the rules were written, which was one of the reasons why the Needle got weird.
I can easily imagine quite a few precincts doing it wrong, just based on how complicated the process is.
Buttigieg's campaign alleges numerous errors in caucus vote-counting - The Nevada Independent
Buttigieg's campaign alleges errors in early vote totals during the Nevada Caucus, sending a letter to the state Democratic Party. Read more here.Former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg's campaign, in a letter sent to the Nevada State Democratic Party just before midnight on Sunday, is alleging numerous errors in how early vote totals were folded into the Caucus Day process.The campaign is asking the party to provide early vote and in-person vote totals by precinct, correct any early vote and second alignment errors identified by campaigns and explain other anomalies in the data before releasing any final caucus results. About half of precincts had reported as of early Sunday morning, with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders leading with 46.6 percent and former Vice President Joe Biden and Buttigieg a close second and third at 19.3 percent and 15.4 percent, respectively."Currently our data shows that this is a razor thin margin for second place in Nevada, and due to irregularities and a number of unresolved questions we have raised with the Nevada Democratic Party, it's unclear what the final results will be," Hari Sevugan, Buttigieg's deputy campaign manager, said in a statement.Buttigieg's campaign gave party officials a deadline of 6 a.m. to respond to the letter and asked that they take the next 24 to 48 hours to offer "the level of transparency and accuracy" promised for the caucus. A spokeswoman for the Nevada State Democratic Party did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Sunday morning.
Well... Here we go again, I guess.
Hoping to prove to the South Carolina Democratic primary electorate that Joe Biden is still viable heading into the state's presidential primary Saturday ahead of Super Tuesday, the former vice president's campaign on Sunday rolled out nearly a dozen new Orangeburg County endorsements that include two state senators and the party's chairman.
Democratic state Sens. Brad Hutto and John Matthews — the longest-serving African-American lawmaker in the General Assembly — and Orangeburg County Democratic Party chairman Kenneth Glover are among 11 new names who are backing Biden's 2020 bid.
Other names include former party chairwoman Betty Henderson, Orangeburg Mayor Michael Butler and other elected officials.
Biden's campaign says those endorsements now make 180 in the state, home to the country's "First in the South" presidential primary.
More than 86,000 people live in Orangeburg County — home to the state's only four-year, public historically black college, S.C. State University, and private black college Clafin University. More than 60% of Orangeburg's population are African American.
Buttigieg has spent the majority of the time in this primary cycle making dishonest attacks on progressive proposals, calling activists "dark money groups" and trying to paint Bernie out to be a polarizing radical, and I get that this is a primary and he's allowed to play offense with the frontrunner, but what pisses me off to no end is that he was once arguing in FAVOR of many of these things and it wasn't that long ago. How are we to trust this guy has any principles and why should we allow him to further his political career in the Dem party? He's the absolute worst type of Democratic politician.
I mean like or hate deblasio, but nothing he said about pete was wrong.
Joe still playing the game like endorsements matter. Seems like desperation. Every time it seems after a disappointing performance, he announces some more. I'm more shocked people are lining up behind him given his performances.
So who is going to be the Chris Christie of this cycle and break the ice on endorsing Bernie? Who is hungry enough for a cabinet position or a chance at VP to do it? Booker?
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