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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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Ok, so it looks like it's Bernie. It's still early in the primary season, but he's got the other opponents on the ropes.
As a non-Bernie guy, I'm ready to rally around the nominee. Let's go kick Trump's ass.
As a non-Bernie guy, I'm ready to rally around the nominee. Let's go kick Trump's ass.
If the margin is 20+ it's a tremendous win for Sanders. Especially if the entrance poll numbers are accurate. His early work in Nevada and latinx communities was a killer strategy. Gives me hope that the people running the campaign strategy know what they are doing. It was my biggest problem with him in 2016 and so far they have been light years better.
Old creaky Biden turned out to be a worse candidate than young not-very-good-candidate Biden
He's never been any good at campaigning. He was a paper tiger bolstered by an image of electability because he's a white man who was tied to Obama. Once he started to lose that image was destroyed and he had little else.
It's hard to win Statewide elections in Indiana. This campaign may help things.
The real treat will be hopefully seeing more of James Adomian as Bernie and Anthony Atamanuik as Trump
Very true, it is hard to run as a Democrat statewide in Indiana. But he is not going to become a Republican just to do so.
Indiana may still be a tad too red though. Though he has gotten a significant amount of experience running in the race so who knows? Maybe he could win Indiana now.
Telling voters to vote for his competition or Trump and being kinda senile didn't help things. It really would not have been hard for him to carry but he couldn't even clear that low bar. Add in Butti and Klob ruining his momentum and boom.
Biden is the perennial side man who thought he was what made the band great, he tried to go solo but his albums never caught on.
When he finally rejoins the band on the reunion toureveryone will politely not talk about his solo shit.
When he finally rejoins the band on the reunion toureveryone will politely not talk about his solo shit.
Obama tried to warn him. Biden was never particularly great at campaigning, and while his Obama cred gave him a boost he really failed to capitalize and energize the base in ways that others managed to.
I'm trying to think of a boy band equivalent and I've landed on Abs from 5ive.
Sorry that's a deep cut.
I don't know why that's the takeaway you're focusing on. I'm actually happy for his supporters. Beat Trump.
I too really enjoy diving into the details of niche topics like this, but this time I think the answer is very simple. Joe is a weak campaigner. He always has been. I think Joe had (has?) some real abilities, but is simply not cut-out for national campaigns in a 24-news channel world.
I think you could probably breakdown some of the specifics of his campaign- organizational failures, messaging failures, etc; but when your candidate is put on a pitch count six months before the first primary, there are major issues with the candidate that the best organization couldn't overcome.
Because it doesn't make sense to broadly generalize Bernie supporters as annoying?
The thing i like about Bernie despite everything he wants to accomplish wont be accomplished, is he seems to have the energy and mental competence to be aware of every executive order Trump has done to fuck things up, and he'll reverse every one. Whereas Biden would be lost in the oval i fear.
This is definitely overwhelmingly the case, one of the real stories about him is how he's really expanded his core base beyond young mostly white economic resentment to generalized, across-all-races economic resentment of young people. The Great Recession had a really huge human impact and the needed effort to react to that event far eclipsed the actual change capacity that the federal government could provide.
This is what happened, not why it happened. Why'd he start to lose? Organization? Message? Fundraising?
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Dude come on, stop this nonsense about everyone to the right of Bernie is a Republican.
Only Bloomberg fits the modern GOP.
From the outside, this feels like you're trying to start something. What was actually said was
Not that they are annoying, but that they find them annoying. You're taking a subjective statement and trying to make it objective, when that wasn't the intent.
I think acting like Sanders has clinched the nomination is way overselling his results. He's in a fantastic position, but there's only about 2.5% of the delegates decided, and we are still pre-winnowing. Pete is doing significantly better now than Clinton was in 1992, for example, but the difference there was that his distant second was to different people in each state.
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Primaries can be really messy, and we've never had a billionaire buy his way into the race explicitly to shank one (or two) candidates at the convention.
Amy should drop out immediately. There are no good results, poll numbers on life support, and only a single good state on Super Tuesday (which isn't worth all that much).
I'm feeling better about Bernie than I thought I would. But I still think he's such a huge douche (like picking fights with Planned Parenthood for stupid anti-establishment street-cred) that he's remarkably easy to attack. I want a socialist president, but Sanders himself is like a factory of wedge issues.
1992 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
1984 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
Primaries can be really messy, and we've never had a billionaire buy his way into the race explicitly to shank one (or two) candidates at the convention.
Amy should drop out immediately. There are no good results, poll numbers on life support, and only a single good state on Super Tuesday (which isn't worth all that much).
I'm feeling better about Bernie than I thought I would. But I still think he's such a huge douche (like picking fights with Planned Parenthood for stupid anti-establishment street-cred) that he's remarkably easy to attack. I want a socialist president, but Sanders himself is like a factory of wedge issues.
Or the environment. I loathe Bloomberg, but even he is better than a generic GOP member.
Pete has no black support. It's done ma.I think acting like Sanders has clinched the nomination is way overselling his results. He's in a fantastic position, but there's only about 2.5% of the delegates decided, and we are still pre-winnowing. Pete is doing significantly better now than Clinton was in 1992, for example, but the difference there was that his distant second was to different people in each state.
1992 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
1984 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
Primaries can be really messy, and we've never had a billionaire buy his way into the race explicitly to shank one (or two) candidates at the convention.
Amy should drop out immediately. There are no good results, poll numbers on life support, and only a single good state on Super Tuesday (which isn't worth all that much).
Yes! The Jewish-American style of comedy makes Bernie really likable.
When Bloomberg and him went at it on the debate stage comparing/arguing about their stents-that was a great moment. It wasn't intentional, but it didn't feel like a debate as much as it did a comedy routine, and made both of them seem more human.
we know that his support base has always been soft. that is, his supporters leaned towards him but were never 100% like so many of sanders' supporters. we know this because harris, warren, and buttigieg's pre-primary surges came directly at biden's expense. as their numbers grew, biden's shrank, and as their numbers shrank, biden's grew again. everyone kinda laughs at harris' campaign, but she may have actually been the one that ruined biden. she showed everyone he was weak. he never gained the peoples' confidence.
at this point, pre-primary, no one was sure whether biden's campaign could hold onto its lead. then came that pre-iowa debate where buttigieg+sanders+klobuchar came across dominant and biden looked lost. then it came down to campaigning. buttigieg managed to secure the vast majority of iowa rural areas, areas biden took for granted, largely based off of a swing of last-minute deciders. iowa legit killed biden's campaign. from there, people just began leaking -- white voters to buttigieg, klobuchar, warren, and even bernie. black voters to bloomberg, steyer, and bernie. latino voters virtuall all to bernie.
biden's tower was built on quicksand and while sanders likely could never have knocked it over, the other moderates had much better positioning to do so. and now it's too late for biden to persuade them to come back.
There won't be significant winnowing before Super Tuesday where Bernie's current polling and what just happened in Nevada lays out a pretty good framework for how Bernie can wrack up an enormous delegate lead out of California and Texas.I think acting like Sanders has clinched the nomination is way overselling his results. He's in a fantastic position, but there's only about 2.5% of the delegates decided, and we are still pre-winnowing. Pete is doing significantly better now than Clinton was in 1992, for example, but the difference there was that his distant second was to different people in each state.
1992 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
1984 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
Primaries can be really messy, and we've never had a billionaire buy his way into the race explicitly to shank one (or two) candidates at the convention.
Amy should drop out immediately. There are no good results, poll numbers on life support, and only a single good state on Super Tuesday (which isn't worth all that much).
None of this is in a vacuum. We have a pretty good idea of what's likely to happen in the coming states. And even as the race narrows down to less candidates, that's not necessarily bad for Bernie who is the most broadly popular candidate in the race and largely wins head to head matchups in polling.
Shane Goldmacher on Twitter
“MSNBC showing the empty Warren podium is a reminder that her team and (most) surrogates have been silent in last 6 hours as NV results and entrance polls have rolled in and the narrative is getting set.”
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I'm not trying to start anything. I'm saying it's not realistic to view most Sanders supporters as annoying. They're just regular everyday people trying to build better lives for themselves and come from all over the country. Making that distinction for Sanders supporters specifically doesn't make sense.
You're right. How rude of me.
Everyone needs to fight for gun control as much as Bloomberg has. Should really be the platform, tbh.
What does that even mean? And why does it matter? Does being loud somehow erode a senate majority?
but would bernie being loud as fuck be enough to force mitchell to do his job
I mean I give him credit sure, but he got close in extremely homogenous states, and his weakness was exposed in Nevada. With regards to political skill, he spent most of the debate shitting on M4A, when it actually seems to be popular in Nevada. So I don't consider him the political wunderkind that many claim he is. Part of his political maneuvering comes off as very unauthentic anyway.
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