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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
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I mean if older black people didn't care about superpredators and the Biden Crime Bill, I don't really know why people think stop-and-frisk is going to sway them.
This is probably one of those young liberal black voter who recognise these as racist failed policies vs older black conservative voters who probably agree in some manner with the above racist policies or statements.
This is probably one of those young liberal black voter who recognise these as racist failed policies vs older black conservative voters who probably agree in some manner with the above racist policies or statements.
As long as Biden continues to flounder, Bloomberg is going to continue to make inroads with minorities, despite his policies that directly have impacted minority communities.
Honestly, I feel like this will just outrage people that were already predisposed to dislike him for having the audacity to run.
as sure as you were about the SOTU being a big deal?
but to be serious, this is the first time his record is being scrutinized - which will be important to stop him from closing off the black vote
The problem with a Twitter hashtag campaign against Bloomberg is that the people most willing to be swayed by something like that probably weren't for him anyway.
I have zero faith in Twitter campaigns.
I have zero faith in Twitter campaigns.
Because it was a tough sell to older black people that Bill and Hillary are racist. It's a tough sell to them that Joe Biden is racist. Mike Bloomberg? idk
It is kinda shitty that all four of the top white guys have pretty big marks against them on race.
Biden - crime bill, bussing
Bernie - crime bill
Pete - police chief and arrest count
Bloomberg - NYC plantation owner
But I guess the first three have shown at least some understanding of the issues they got wrong.
Biden - crime bill, bussing
Bernie - crime bill
Pete - police chief and arrest count
Bloomberg - NYC plantation owner
But I guess the first three have shown at least some understanding of the issues they got wrong.
Older black primary voters aren't in the Twittersphere, so lol at the idea of a Twitter campaign.
What makes you think this stops at twitter lol. I saw it brought up twice on MSNBC last night.
The most important part of this isn't the tweet campaign. It's the fact that the information is circulating. He will have to defend his record at some point, and it's almost certain that they'll question him on this on the debate stage.
I think Pete is playing an act to gain delegates. There's no way the son of a leftist who was close with Cornel West and wrote an essay about how much he admires Bernie Sanders is a neoliberal. He will ally with Bernie and Warren in a contested convention, go ahead and bookmark this post for when it happens.
Bernie+Pete+Warren will be enough to secure a majority of the delegates and win the nomination.
Bernie+Pete+Warren will be enough to secure a majority of the delegates and win the nomination.
Pete's more liberal than the average Dem. He just recognizes his lane in this primary isn't to tack to the left because Sanders and Warren are very strong there.
I mean, the only people who considered Pete a neoliberal are those who don't know what a neoliberal is. A common mistake these days. He's your center-left guy, with some more radical thoughts on how to change the political constructs we operate within (filibuster, electoral college, court makeup).
As long as Bloomberg gets to stay some hypothetical person on the airways his record will not torch him
No campaign really has a say. But, the second they started talking about allowing him on the stage, it was a bunch of "we can't allow someone to buy their way onto the debate" shots from the campaigns.
Just short-term thinking there.
Ah. Well, I certainly hope they ignore the naysayers. Bloomberg being on the stage shouldn't hurt them. Especially not if they take full advantage of the opportunity to hammer him from all directions. Then again, I'm not a campaign strategist, so maybe they're aware of something I'm not. The debate pile-on seemed effective against Pete, though.
Going down the rabbit hole, as that seemed like something that was done on background. In public it was the usual "buying the election" shit.
One thing I found interesting in an article, was https://www.boldprogressives.org/ .
Warren made a big deal about her and Amy not having PACs support them. I thought it was a silly argument, but it's odd there actually is one that is for her.
To give a point to my caveat, I found out about them in the article on Bloomberg/Warren at https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ing-on-dnc-to-allow-bloomberg-to-join-debates
Finally, here is the campaign's "public" stance. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/1/211180...s-debate-rules-sanders-warren-biden-bloomberg
I'm sure the voters of South Carolina are rabidly vacuuming up MSNBC punditry.
Anyway, I'm not implying Bloomberg being racist can't become salient to older black voters, but the communication channels needed for it are completely different from some of those people on here use.
Anyway, I'm not implying Bloomberg being racist can't become salient to older black voters, but the communication channels needed for it are completely different from some of those people on here use.
Some more polls:
morningconsult.com
Bernie - 25
Biden - 22
Bloomberg - 17
Pete - 11
Warren - 11
Black voters:
Biden - 35
Bernie - 27
Bloomberg - 16
Warren - 8
Pete - 4
Hispanic voters:
Bernie - 38%
Biden - 17%
Bloomberg - 16
Poll for Independents:
2020 Democratic Primary
morningconsult.com
Bernie - 25
Biden - 22
Bloomberg - 17
Pete - 11
Warren - 11
Black voters:
Biden - 35
Bernie - 27
Bloomberg - 16
Warren - 8
Pete - 4
Hispanic voters:
Bernie - 38%
Biden - 17%
Bloomberg - 16
Poll for Independents:
It's insane to me that Bloomberg basically leapfrogged Warren in like 2 days and will probably leapfrog Biden when he gets blown out tonight.
Fuck this country Warren would be such a good president
Also jesus christ bloomberg is racist as fuck. No wonder America loves him
Fuck this country Warren would be such a good president
Also jesus christ bloomberg is racist as fuck. No wonder America loves him
To be fair, Warren's campaign is (sadly) dead. She's basically still in due to donors. I think the interesting thing will be where her support goes. I don't think it goes to Bernie. All the folks that would, have already left.
The whining about changing the rules for Bloomberg but not Booker, Castro, Harris, et al. seems to gloss over the specific fact that the rule being eliminated is donors. Booker didn't have a donor problem, he had a polling problem. All these other candidates who either missed the debate stage or were on track to miss it had more of an issue meeting the polling threshold than the donor threshold. And the simple unfortunate fact is Bloomberg's polls have quickly surpassed all these other candidates who dropped out.
I get that the optics of not changing the rules for candidates of color but doing so for the white male billionaire in the race are pretty bad. But changing the rule as the DNC has wouldn't have helped those other candidates, and allowing Bloomberg to go unchallenged by the rest of the field that does have to be held accountable in debates is not something the party should let continue. I would rather the DNC piss off Cory Booker than let Bloomberg get to Super Tuesday without once being called out on stage by Warren or Bernie.
Those are all great numbers for Bernie. All show his electabiltiy headwinds aren't remotely set in stone.
I get that the optics of not changing the rules for candidates of color but doing so for the white male billionaire in the race are pretty bad. But changing the rule as the DNC has wouldn't have helped those other candidates, and allowing Bloomberg to go unchallenged by the rest of the field that does have to be held accountable in debates is not something the party should let continue. I would rather the DNC piss off Cory Booker than let Bloomberg get to Super Tuesday without once being called out on stage by Warren or Bernie.
Some more polls:
2020 Democratic Primary
Bernie - 25
Biden - 22
Bloomberg - 17
Pete - 11
Warren - 11
Black voters:
Biden - 35
Bernie - 27
Bloomberg - 16
Warren - 8
Pete - 4
Hispanic voters:
Bernie - 38%
Biden - 17%
Bloomberg - 16
Poll for Independents:
Those are all great numbers for Bernie. All show his electabiltiy headwinds aren't remotely set in stone.
Bernie no longer shows a POC support problem. I think he's the best candidate to beat Trump at this point.
For all the phony talk about Klob and Butti momentum, Bloomberg has vaulted into third place and is going to be knocking on the door of second place soon
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Bernie's problem isn't POC, it's older voters. Bernie's numbers with old voters is as bad as Biden's with young voters
National polling seems to have him within striking distance off second and Biden is going to basically collapse after tonight
Also that breakdown of black support is probably all still young black voters going to Bernie. We will see how that stacks up in the south
I think you are right but I'd like to know how he does in the states we need to win.
Not necessarily. I mean, I'm voting for Warren next month (provided she's still in the race by then) but my #2 choice would be Bernie.
Bloomberg is in third without doing any kind of early-state campaigning or debates and showing up at the 11th hour with a blizzard of tv ads, and you're asking why people are panicking about him? lol. I think the results speak for themselves! If Bloomberg can jump into third place that quickly with that little effort, then I think it's worth being concerned about what his Super Tuesday showing -- in the states where he has been putting a ton of money into ads and staffers and organizing -- will look like.
That's where I'll end up. Not crazy about it, but if I'm honest about what's important to me, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't move to Sanders when the time comes.
In the GE we've always been more worried about the old white voter though.
Good point.
All I know is what I see in the Midwest and I think Bernie does good out here in places like WI and MI specifically. If he keeps that Latinx support, AZ could be in play, imo.
Finally, something we all can agree on.
I expect some fuckery in today's vote but I expect Bernie to walk away with the Granite State Trophy one more time. Then he can take 89 right back up to Burlington and put it next to the rest of his awards that don't matter.
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Multiple campaigns were. Warren's was the first That was cited, but I think Biden and Klob were confirmed too.
I'm of two minds about this merger honestly.
On the one hand, all these damn mergers are getting on my nerves and are ultimately/typically not good for consumers.
On the other hand, I think that from a logical standpoint, Sprint has been treading water for fucking ages and hasn't even been close to competing with TMobile much less the big 2 for at least 10-15 years. Simply put, they're a joke and I'd rather T-Mobile get their spectrum and be better able to compete than AT&T/Verizon gobble it up in a spectrum sale.
NH is full of randos who don't make sense. Klobberer is going to KLOBUCHARGE to an Hillary 08 style victory.
He only deleted it because he realized that calling Bloomberg a racist would just help him steal Trump voters.He deleted it but:
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