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Oct 27, 2017
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Dude's entire job history is pretty much him riding his dad's influence.

Just because you've got an Ivy League degree does not mean you end up working as a director of a foreign gas producer despite having zero experience with both Ukraine and the gas industry.

Of course he's riding influence, no one is going to hire you for anything else. Could you imagine trying to run a non-profit with a SS and police escort parked outside your office every day?

TMZ would be paying your co-workers for dirt on whether you steal yogurt from the fridge.

Stop doing fascists' work for them by trying to justify your own political preference while aiding and abetting international extortion. If nepotism is what gets your goat, enforce the fucking laws against it, but in the meantime your primary fav isn't served well by advancing the idea that politicians should use the levers of power and a constellation of propaganda outlets to smear and destroy adversaries with made up conspiracy theories.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm almost embarrassed for the GOP.

Warnock will have fun with these idiots.
Rural cosplay. I wish people weren't stupid enough to eat this up but...
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MizerMan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah that is the smart play for Republicans. Focus all on Senate and Presidential races hoping that effects down ballot House races.

It's the only play. Getting the House back was a steeper climb than keeping the Senate and White House and they know it.

The article basically says so. Their donors want to reelect Trump and keep the Senate. Because they know they probably won't get the House, they give little to House candidates.

Yeah, I read the article and many of them are under no illusions that the House is coming back to them. Still, might as well waste money.
 

Chaos Legion

The Wise Ones
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Oct 30, 2017
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Oh ok
Fuck that tho
Rich should pay higher taxes
Rich people should pay more taxes. The problem is, tax is a very complicated topic that has more nuances than most people can bother to understand. So politicians, knowing they can't explain tax to voters without boring them, or scaring them away (we need a comprehensive tax reform for our nation and unfortunately, it's not just the rich that need to pay more, we all do), decide to just obfuscate reality and chant "tax the rich!"

Doesn't really help the conversation or get us closer to where we need to be if we're arguing in bad faith (For example, the U.S has one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and by some measures, rich do pay more here than in many European nations***)

***This is where nuances come in.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Of course he's riding influence, no one is going to hire you for anything else. Could you imagine trying to run a non-profit with a SS and police escort parked outside your office every day?

TMZ would be paying your co-workers for dirt on whether you steal yogurt from the fridge.

Stop doing fascists' work for them by trying to justify your own political preference while aiding and abetting international extortion. If nepotism is what gets your goat, enforce the fucking laws against it, but in the meantime your primary fav isn't served well by advancing the idea that politicians should use the levers of power and a constellation of propaganda outlets to smear and destroy adversaries with made up conspiracy theories.

This isn't some stupid zero sum game. It is literally the Republican argument against impeachment you're giving me here - that he had to accept nepotism, that it isn't technically illegal therefore it's totally OK.

That Hunter gets a job with Joe's best banking donor, gets handed a job by Bush to work for Amtrak and gets a job with a Ukraine gas producer on the eve of Russia's aggression? That's clear nepotism of the highest order. He's been doing this well before Joe was VP, he is fundamentally no different from Ivanka or Jared riding Trump's influence.

Biden is a failure and the more the Republicans choose to target Biden/Hunter the better. This gives them less time to go after Warren/Butt/Sanders. I can simultaneously accept that the Republicans are targeting Hunter in bad faith and that Hunter himself is really no better than Kushner or Ivanka in terms of abusing their father's political power. I don't see why I should defend or be sympathetic towards someone who actively chose to accept jobs his father is basically handing to him.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Bernie proposing a national teacher salary at 60k is great stuff but I wonder if there's literally anything blocking that from being passed in Congress. Like would anyone not vote for a huge teacher salary raise?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know when/if TheHunter will be back, so I would like to throw my hat into the ring of making the next thread. I know it is early, but I've wanted to give it a shot for a long long time. I promise it won't be "Flip, Flip, Flip-a-Gatesia" or an ill-timed Terminator theme. Those are my campaign promises. Thank you.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bernie proposing a national teacher salary at 60k is great stuff but I wonder if there's literally anything blocking that from being passed in Congress. Like would anyone not vote for a huge teacher salary raise?
"Who's going to be paying for that, exactly?" would be the immediate first question. Because school funding is a state level thing.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This isn't some stupid zero sum game. It is literally the Republican argument against impeachment you're giving me here - that he had to accept nepotism, that it isn't technically illegal therefore it's totally OK.

That Hunter gets a job with Joe's best banking diner, gets handed a job by Bush to work for Amtrak and gets a job with a Ukraine gas producer on the eve of Russia's aggression? That's clear nepotism of the highest order. He's been doing this well before Joe was VP, he is fundamentally no different from Ivanka or Jared riding Trump's influence.

Biden is a failure and the more the Republicans choose to target Biden/Hunter the better. This gives them less time to go after Warren/Butt/Sanders.

Are you surprised that politics involves schmoozing and trying to create alliances?

Bernie's wife and kids were tapped to suckle that sweet, sweet political cash too. Why? Because no one hires you to do anything useful. You're there to lend a patina of legitimacy and maybe grease the wheels with meetings and YouTube videos extolling the virtues of whatever you're expected to hawk.

The entire point is that you're digging your own grave by accepting the framing of fascists and cheering on the destruction of putative allies using bullshit and general apathy about politics. You will be smeared by your own shit-cannon eventually.
 

TheAbsolution

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lenovox1

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This isn't some stupid zero sum game. It is literally the Republican argument against impeachment you're giving me here - that he had to accept nepotism, that it isn't technically illegal therefore it's totally OK.

Huh?

There's nothing to compare.

The Trump's are directly making money due to daddy's office.

Hunter seems most comparable to Levi Sanders, actually. Levi somehow has a job on his father's campaign despite losing his own race. He also had a job where he was a legal analyst for a non-profit despite not having a legal degree.
 

dlauv

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is this more or less fucking stupid than Biden being able to work with Republicans?

 
Oct 27, 2017
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I remember reports about how the Department of Education is actually one of the more powerful lower tier cabinet positions. What else could the federal govt do to improve public schools from that scope?

Tie federal grant money to teacher/ staff pay and resource metrics, off the top of my head.

I am not a school policy wonk, so take that with a grain of salt
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is this more or less fucking stupid than Biden being able to work with Republicans?


That's not exactly what was said. He's talking about if you asked Kentucky voters about expanding Medicare (to include hearing/dental/vision) and 70-80% of Kentucky constituents would be in favor of that. And that would put pressure on Mitch McConnell to pass legislation.

He isn't talking about Mitch motivating his voters, its the other way around.

It's still stupid and naive but context is still important.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is this more or less fucking stupid than Biden being able to work with Republicans?



Unquestionably more. McConnell has proven time and time again that he doesn't care about anything - he's Nero in a suit, fiddling whilst everything burns. Whereas there is at least a small chance that 3 or 4 Republicans could be convinced to join Biden/Dems, just based on the requirement of wanting to be elected, and the fact they aren't sociopaths like McConnell is.

That's not exactly what was said. He's talking about if you asked Kentucky voters about expanding Medicare (to include hearing/dental/vision) and 70-80% of Kentucky constituents would be in favor of that. And that would put pressure on Mitch McConnell to pass legislation.

McConnell wouldn't care. He'd rather be voted out than do anything that aligns with the Dems at this point. 40 years younger? Maybe there'd be a chance, but he can easily walk out of his job in Kentucky and just retire and know his name is going down in history books.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are you surprised that politics involves schmoozing and trying to create alliances?

Bernie's wife and kids were tapped to suckle that sweet, sweet political cash too. Why? Because no one hires you to do anything useful. You're there to lend a patina of legitimacy and maybe grease the wheels with meetings and YouTube videos extolling the virtues of whatever you're expected to hawk.

The entire point is that you're digging your own grave by accepting the framing of fascists and cheering on the destruction of putative allies using bullshit and general apathy about politics. You will be smeared by your own shit-cannon eventually.
Lest anyone forget- https://apnews.com/9e4794da89ab448399f3ff1457464d1b

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — The Sanders Institute, a think tank founded by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders' wife and son, is shutting down, at least for now, amid criticism that the nonprofit has blurred the lines between family, fundraising and campaigning.
The Vermont-based institute has stopped accepting donations and plans to suspend all operations by the end of May "so there could not even be an appearance of impropriety," Jane Sanders told The Associated Press.
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Jane Sanders, who also serves as a chief adviser to her husband's presidential campaign, is not compensated for her role at the institute. Her son, David Driscoll, is paid $100,000 a year as co-founder and executive director. Driscoll previously was an executive for Nike and the Vermont snowboarding firm Burton, but had no previous nonprofit experience, according to his LinkedIn profile.
The problem here- in 2017, the institute raised a little under 500K. Around half of that went straight to the salaries of three staffers- https://vtdigger.org/2018/07/29/sanders-institute-little-show-first-year-500k/

In 2018 they raised #361K- https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-institute-donations

That's over 50% going into operating costs for a foundation that closed its doors within a year or two years. With the largest expense over those two years likely being Bernie's kid's $200K salary.

So this is not a road you want to go down if anyone wants to argue Sanders is better on this front than Biden.
 

NookSports

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is this more or less fucking stupid than Biden being able to work with Republicans?


That's not exactly what was said. He's talking about if you asked Kentucky voters about expanding Medicare (to include hearing/dental/vision) and 70-80% of Kentucky constituents would be in favor of that. And that would put pressure on Mitch McConnell to pass legislation.

He isn't talking about Mitch motivating his voters, its the other way around.

It's still stupid and naive but context is still important.
It's so dumb and one of the reasons I've never liked sanders.
It's also my biggest criticism of Obama as a politician. You can't sustain a movement like that, especially when the public'a biggest lever are elections
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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So yeah what I stated before that a couple of coin flips that went to Buttiegeg ended up winning him Iowa was indeed predictive.



This timeline is the BEST!
 

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Nov 7, 2017
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That's not exactly what was said. He's talking about if you asked Kentucky voters about expanding Medicare (to include hearing/dental/vision) and 70-80% of Kentucky constituents would be in favor of that. And that would put pressure on Mitch McConnell to pass legislation.

He isn't talking about Mitch motivating his voters, its the other way around.

It's still stupid and naive but context is still important.
The "he" in that is Bernie not Mitch
 

TheFatOne

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Oct 27, 2017
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Perez is on Maddow.
So yeah what I stated before that a couple of coin flips that went to Buttiegeg ended up winning him Iowa was indeed predictive.



This timeline is the BEST!
Hate to be that guy, but there are still errors in the numbers. We don't know whose actually leading until they are fixed.
 

Slader166

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Oct 25, 2017
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So unless Biden, Klob, or Warren call for a recanvass, it's not happening, right? Because both Bernie and Pete have said that they don't want one.
 
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