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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
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Republicans really seem to hate Lisa Simpson for some reason.
Alex Seitz-Wald @aseitzwald
NEWS: Bernie Sanders declares a "very strong victory" in Iowa at an NH press conference.
Says when 6,000 more people turn out for you than any other candidate, "we here in Northern England" call that a win. Says SDEs have "greatly diminished importance, and they should."
Bernie Sanders on Tom Perez' call for a recanvass: "We won an 8-person election by some 6,000 votes. That is not going to change."
1:14 PM - Feb 6, 2020 · Manchester, NH
1:01 PM - Feb 6, 2020
NEWS: Bernie Sanders declares a "very strong victory" in Iowa at an NH press conference.
Says when 6,000 more people turn out for you than any other candidate, "we here in Northern England" call that a win. Says SDEs have "greatly diminished importance, and they should."
Bernie Sanders on Tom Perez' call for a recanvass: "We won an 8-person election by some 6,000 votes. That is not going to change."
1:14 PM - Feb 6, 2020 · Manchester, NH
Musadiq Bidar @Bidar411For those wondering what is the difference between a recanvass and recount.
This from the Iowa Democratic Party's Caucus Recanvass and Recount Manual.
(h/t @adam_brew)#IACAUCUS2020
This from the Iowa Democratic Party's Caucus Recanvass and Recount Manual.
(h/t @adam_brew)#IACAUCUS2020
1:01 PM - Feb 6, 2020
You know he has someone who will report back to him how hard each member shined his balls.
I'm not sure if you're being serious, but...
Iowa is the most important state in the primary season. It carries with it a huge amount of value that isn't measured in the delegate count. It carries with it the idea that the winner is a winner, and that idea is spread nationwide through the media. It's profoundly significant. As an example, 538's forecasting had both Biden and Sanders well below 50% chance of winning a majority of national delegates prior to Iowa. An analysis from Nate Silver showed that if either of them won Iowa, regardless of how much they won by, their chances would instantly become over 80% for Biden and almost 70% for Sanders. This is based on hard statistical data regarding how Iowa has influenced the previous primaries. Those are just odds, not predictions, of course.
The argument is that due to the Iowa Democratic Party's handling of the caucus results and Buttigieg's frankly absurd proclamation of victory the night of the Iowa caucuses, Buttigieg has had several days of this election-changing momentum that Sanders may have had otherwise. The media has been running the "Buttigieg wins/is winning" story massively. And we've seen it in some daily tracking polls -- Buttigieg jumping 8 points in New Hampshire in one poll. Jumping 5 points in a national poll today.
That's not to say that Sanders hasn't also been boosted by the results. Despite receiving a fraction of the coverage, he's still climbed a couple points in several state and national polls. But, acknowledging that, how much would he have climbed if we had final results from the night of Iowa showing he won the state or that the delegates were essentially tied and Sanders dramatically won the vote? We'll never know exactly, but we can say with 99% certainty that he would be doing better than he is now.
As for the latest event, the DNC chair Perez stepping in, it's going to do the same thing. If we don't get those final 3% results. If we restart the entire multi-day process to do a canvassing, Sanders' momentum is again going to be stifled. This time explicitly by the chair of the DNC. It should be absolutely galling to anyone in the party. It's doubling down on a disaster. And it's going to cause growing frustrations not just from the left, but from everyone (but Biden, probably).
edit: here's Nate Cohn explaining why a recanvass is likely worthless.
Fuck sake I vote every election. I voted early for Hillary in Ohio and in the primary against Bernie. I just learned something from 2016
JFC, are you folks still engaging with conspiracy theorists thinking that anything is actually going to dent their spotless minds?
That speech was really boring and said very little. Honestly, I expected more. It was basically trump and friends have a piece of birthday cake.
I don't get how anyone can watch him or listen to him. Reading text is bad enough.
Y'all are stronger than me. I can't stand to listen to him talk.
Right before his third term begins after the DNC puts up Chelsea Clinton. (Or Klobuchar. Because what America is really crying out for is a midwestern woman who beats her staff and berates normal Americans even though by then we will have had fascism for 8 years as a result of failing to address the detrimental effects of late-stage capitalism!)
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I'm giving fairly childish gut responses at times, I admit. But this is a quite elegant way of putting what many of us are feeling.
Yeah, but self-incrimination only goes so far when those in power are fearful of their constituents to take action, or they see nothing wrong with said incrimination. And as someone powerless, it sucks watching all it happen and not having any power to do anything except try and contact them through staffers with the knowledge you're not going to change any minds. For me, it's not fun to watch it, and it's just frustrating and a real bummer.
If Bloomberg's gonna win a state on ST, maybe we should let him get on stage and defend his garbage history.
Frank Thorp V @frankthorpTotal time CLINTON spoke in 1999 after being acquitted by the Senate: 1 minute, 37 seconds.
Total time TRUMP spoke today after being acquitted by the Senate: 1 hour, 1 minute, 57 seconds.
Total time TRUMP spoke today after being acquitted by the Senate: 1 hour, 1 minute, 57 seconds.
1:24 PM - Feb 6, 2020
Yeah that I agree with. Like I said, calling for a recanvass (especially if Iowa Dems are just hearing about it for the first time over Twitter!) is really stupid and will just sow more distrust in the process and call more attention to the general dysfunction of it.
Amanda Terkel @aterkelBernie responds to Biden criticism that Trump will use socialism against him: "Let me tell my good friend Joe that when we're dealing with someone like Donald Trump who lies all the time, he will pin any label he wants on any candidate. It doesn't really matter."
1:16 PM - Feb 6, 2020
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It's terrible politics and speaks to the larger problem with the DNC: it's run by terrible politicians who know only how to lose. Obama was an anomaly and he failed to build a movement behind him. DNC now is just longing for any mixed-race guy who is somewhat eloquent so it can try and put lightning back in a bottle since it clearly has no idea how to appeal to people with actual policies.
Bloomberg sucks, but Walker Bragman was that "liberal case for trump" guy IIRC. Do we really need to be linking to his Twitter?
Ok. I really don't give a shit what resentments you have toward the DNC. The organization ended up working out pretty well across the last three years of elections (not sure how you square the circle of the many 2017, 18, and 19 wins across the country with "politicians who know only how to lose") and at the end of the day who wins the primary and who wins the general is not really going to come down to Tom Perez anyway.
Spoiler. That headline was written before the speech.
So, Trump rips up his speeches. Should we censure him for that, Gaetz.
He's quite right on this fact re:Biden's comment. Trump is in war mode.
I agree, it sucks and wasn't fun to listen to. It was more congratulatory than vindictive for now, I expect the harsher tweets and actions to come later anyways.
Giving me 2016/17 flashbacks of when certain online leftists were carping about how surely the Dems were going to run Chelsea Clinton, Tim Kaine, and Chuck Schumer in 2020 because they love to lose so much!
I'll just agree to disagree because this isn't progressing cordially and usually tempers aren't flaring this high. I'll be voting for whoever is the nominee. We can reconvene on this in December. If you guys end up being right I'll eat all the crow in the world.
That's directly linked using the twitter profile of a conservative who pretends to be a liberal in order to encourage "lefties" to not vote or vote for Trump.
You can grab the video without signal boosting someone like him.
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