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Sheepinator

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The highest ratings.

Down 26% in ratings from last year. Hahaha, that plus Pelosi will have him fuming I'm sure.

I also have to say, I agree with the Republican on Daily Show last night. She's not a fan of Trump, and she was appalled that here's him, who dodged military service, none of his family have served, and he's using a soldier and his crying wife as props during the SOTU.
 

Blackflag

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I don't buy that Sinema is legitimately centrist. She's playing the game and she's playing it well.

I don't think she's playing it well. I voted for her and will do all I can to get her replaced. She's done shit like this too many times and I won't be surprised if she acquits today.
 

Aaron

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The highest ratings.

I mean who even cares anymore? We all know what to expect with Trump at this point.

That's probably the worst thing that could have happened to him, he's just boring. The only way he manages to surprise is by constantly one-upping how shitty he is.

I don't think she's playing it well. I voted for her and will do all I can to get her replaced. She's done shit like this too many times and I won't be surprised if she acquits today.
With all due respect, when I say she's "playing it well" I mean she's keeping up broad support in a red state. She has a +14 approval rating in Arizona according to Morning Consult. By comparison, Martha McSally, her 2018 opponent and now sitting Senator, is at -3.

I feel like I need to make this clear every so often, when I say someone is good at being a politician I do not mean they are a good politician. Joe Manchin is good at being a politician. If you want to see Sinema be replaced by someone better, I fully support you in your endeavor.
 

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Down 26% in ratings from last year. Hahaha, that plus Pelosi will have him fuming I'm sure.

I also have to say, I agree with the Republican on Daily Show last night. She's not a fan of Trump, and she was appalled that here's him, who dodged military service, none of his family have served, and he's using a soldier and his crying wife as props during the SOTU.
I mean, he's been using the military as props since he started his candidacy.
 

cameron

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Molly Nagle @MollyNagle3

Wow—Joe Biden taking a totally new tact in his New Hampshire remarks going after @BernieSanders and @PeteButtigieg

—hits Bernie saying Trump will hurts all Dems labeling them as "socialists"
—says Buttigieg is a "risk" b/c his highest experience is being the mayor of South Bend​

12:21 PM - Feb 5, 2020



Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Biden: if he's the nominee, Democrats "up and down the ballot … will have to carry the label that Sen. Sanders has chosen for himself. I don't criticize him, he calls him a Democratic socialist."


Biden going all out now. Says he respects Mayor Pete and his service to the country, but it'd be a risk to nominate someone who's elected experience is mayor to a city of around 100,000 people​

12:17 PM - Feb 5, 2020
 

Autodidact

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Molly Nagle @MollyNagle3

Wow—Joe Biden taking a totally new tact in his New Hampshire remarks going after @BernieSanders and @PeteButtigieg

—hits Bernie saying Trump will hurts all Dems labeling them as "socialists"
—says Buttigieg is a "risk" b/c his highest experience is being the mayor of South Bend

12:21 PM - Feb 5, 2020




Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Biden: if he's the nominee, Democrats "up and down the ballot … will have to carry the label that Sen. Sanders has chosen for himself. I don't criticize him, he calls him a Democratic socialist."


Biden going all out now. Says he respects Mayor Pete and his service to the country, but it'd be a risk to nominate someone who's elected experience is mayor to a city of around 100,000 people

12:17 PM - Feb 5, 2020

Pawpaw woke up. Let's get messy.
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
This was also Doug Jones' official application for AG.




Molly Nagle @MollyNagle3

Wow—Joe Biden taking a totally new tact in his New Hampshire remarks going after @BernieSanders and @PeteButtigieg

—hits Bernie saying Trump will hurts all Dems labeling them as "socialists"
—says Buttigieg is a "risk" b/c his highest experience is being the mayor of South Bend

12:21 PM - Feb 5, 2020




Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Biden: if he's the nominee, Democrats "up and down the ballot … will have to carry the label that Sen. Sanders has chosen for himself. I don't criticize him, he calls him a Democratic socialist."


Biden going all out now. Says he respects Mayor Pete and his service to the country, but it'd be a risk to nominate someone who's elected experience is mayor to a city of around 100,000 people

12:17 PM - Feb 5, 2020

Oh, so he's actually campaigning now instead of just talking to himself about how he'd be good for the job? Nice.
 

Seattle6418

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I'm pretty sure Bernie's strategy is win with 30% of the vote. (Ie the Trump strategy). The issue is, proportional allocation means he's never going to get close to a majority of pledged delegates. His best bet is a fractured field where he can go to the convention with the most delegates (but nowhere near an overall majority) and then pretty much dare the superdelegates not to give it to him. It would be the ultimate irony, not gonna lie.

The biggest issue is that there needs to be some states he wins by more than 2-4 points. Like, NH is probably his best state, second only to Vermont. He's still polling in that 20-25% bracket. Winning a state by 3 points in a field with multiple viable candidates is not good for margins. Like, if the current NH average holds, he's going to get maybe 5 more delegates than Biden and Pete.

The other issue is, even as people drop out....Bernie is not killing it in second choice. Like, if you look at first round vs second round in Iowa, he did the worst of the top three in that metric. By a lot. He got screwed out of so many delegates in some caucuses because he could only pick up 1 or 2 extra people, where Pete and Warren were getting 20-30. Part of Warrens support will go to Bernie should she eventually drop out.....but not all of it. Pete hurt Warren, and Warren hurt Pete. Pete does really well with college educated whites, as does Warren. Plus, when Amy drops out, I would venture a bulk of that support (like we saw in Iowa) is going to go to Pete.

Of course, a pretty freaking hilarious scenario is Sanders going into the convention with 30%, Bloomberg with 30% and Pete with 20%. At that point, the establishment wouldn't take it from Bernie, but I bet your bottom dollar they'd force him into a consensus Veep selection (such as Pete.) The meltdowns would be epic.

That's got to be his strategy.

Because nominating someone other than the person with the most votes/delegates is the worst possible thing the party can´t do. This works both ways, if Biden comes out on top and Bernie and Warren team up to win, that's also BS. Nominating second or third place is a disaster for the party, and is basically handing Trump the second term, so i think it's a good strategy to dare them.

He needs big margins in some states and he needs people to stay in the race. People saying Warren should drop out are out of their minds. If you're a Bernie guy (not you you, the other readers) then you should hope that people don´t drop out of the race. Bloomberg/Biden/Pete splitting votes is the best thing Bernie could ask for.
 

Dahbomb

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LOL Biden now suddenly woke up and acting like this isn't a shoe in for him?

I mean I guess that's good. Hit Buttiegeg on experience and Bernie on socialism.
 

DrROBschiz

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This was also Doug Jones' official application for AG.

Oh, so he's actually campaigning now instead of just talking to himself about how he'd be good for the job? Nice.

His statements seem fair

Nothing offensive at least. Perfectly reasonable to be wary of the weight socialist labeling carries and Butti's experience (though I mean what do we consider the true gatekeeping parameter for a president after electing a reality TV star)
 

Soul Skater

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Trumps ratings being down and turnout in Iowa not being so great I think people are really just fucking exhausted right now

I think most people just want to live their lives and not constantly following this stuff after all these years

these presidential cycles and primaries need to be shorter. A year and a half is too long for a primary to go on
 

ValiantChaos

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Molly Nagle @MollyNagle3

Wow—Joe Biden taking a totally new tact in his New Hampshire remarks going after @BernieSanders and @PeteButtigieg

—hits Bernie saying Trump will hurts all Dems labeling them as "socialists"
—says Buttigieg is a "risk" b/c his highest experience is being the mayor of South Bend

12:21 PM - Feb 5, 2020




Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Biden: if he's the nominee, Democrats "up and down the ballot … will have to carry the label that Sen. Sanders has chosen for himself. I don't criticize him, he calls him a Democratic socialist."


Biden going all out now. Says he respects Mayor Pete and his service to the country, but it'd be a risk to nominate someone who's elected experience is mayor to a city of around 100,000 people

12:17 PM - Feb 5, 2020


Oh so now you finally wake up?
 

Lo-Volt

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Biden's comments on Buttigieg are pretty curious considering what people said about Barack Obama's experience in 2008. Is it a good idea to take that tack now?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Molly Nagle @MollyNagle3

Wow—Joe Biden taking a totally new tact in his New Hampshire remarks going after @BernieSanders and @PeteButtigieg

—hits Bernie saying Trump will hurts all Dems labeling them as "socialists"
—says Buttigieg is a "risk" b/c his highest experience is being the mayor of South Bend

12:21 PM - Feb 5, 2020




Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Biden: if he's the nominee, Democrats "up and down the ballot … will have to carry the label that Sen. Sanders has chosen for himself. I don't criticize him, he calls him a Democratic socialist."


Biden going all out now. Says he respects Mayor Pete and his service to the country, but it'd be a risk to nominate someone who's elected experience is mayor to a city of around 100,000 people

12:17 PM - Feb 5, 2020

Hit Biden will holler
 

GoldenEye 007

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Trumps ratings being down and turnout in Iowa not being so great I think people are really just fucking exhausted right now

I think most people just want to live their lives and not constantly following this stuff after all these years

these presidential cycles and primaries need to be shorter. A year and a half is too long for a primary to go on
I thought with the latest numbers, Iowa turnout is actually at least above 2016 levels.
 

MMBosstones86

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Down 26% in ratings from last year. Hahaha, that plus Pelosi will have him fuming I'm sure.

I also have to say, I agree with the Republican on Daily Show last night. She's not a fan of Trump, and she was appalled that here's him, who dodged military service, none of his family have served, and he's using a soldier and his crying wife as props during the SOTU.

She's not, tho she did at least extend a hand when he arrived and he ghosted her. That plus the excessive lies about pre existing conditions, prescription drugs, guns, and all the other shit there's just nothing else you can do.
 

OmniOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I did not watch the SOTU and have been busy until just now.

OMG I just saw The Speaker tearing up the speech. I AM LIVING!
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Aaron

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Too late for Biden to do anything in NH tbh.
He won't win but I think he needs to finish 2nd at least. 4th in Iowa was embarrassing.

The expectation game was already set for Sanders to win Iowa and New Hampshire. He needs to finish strong in NH and win Nevada, followed by winning South Carolina in a landslide.
 

Autodidact

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Too late for Biden to do anything in NH tbh.
No, but he probably wouldn't have won NH no matter what he did. It's always been Bernie's to lose.

He can certainly course correct some in time for NV, where he's always been competitive, and certainly solidify his position in the south/Super Tuesday states.
 

Poodlestrike

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This was also Doug Jones' official application for AG.

Oh, so he's actually campaigning now instead of just talking to himself about how he'd be good for the job? Nice.
This is what usually happens after Iowa. No second alignment means you don't need everybody else's supporters to like you nearly as much, so people go negative.
 

Dahbomb

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Nadler signaling that they will subpoena Bolton indicates that Democrats will be continuing the campaign against Trump even after impeachment which is good. So the news waves will still have some talk about the Ukraine scandal, Mueller Grand jury details (which is delayed but still relevant for election season) and Trump's taxes.
 

Vector

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No, but he probably wouldn't have won NH no matter what he did. It's always been Bernie's to lose.

He can certainly course correct some in time for NV, where he's always been competitive, and certainly solidify his position in the south/Super Tuesday states.
He's dipping in SC and Iowa and NH won't help that. Wouldn't be surprised if SC turns out really close when it was supposed to be a Biden blowout.
 

Alpheus

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I did not watch the SOTU and have been busy until just now.

OMG I just saw The Speaker tearing up the speech. I AM LIVING!
iconic, flawed but iconic.

Im glad Biden made those comments about Bernie and Pete at least for Bernie it will give him an opportunity to respond to those sorts of comments, Pete can get lost.
 

Dahbomb

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Bernie has been responding to the socialist comments against him for years.

He just uses that as a platform to talk about his policies. "Yeah I am a socialist... I want free tuition, universal healthcare, clean energy and reduce income inequality... wow so crazy right?"
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nadler signaling that they will subpoena Bolton indicates that Democrats will be continuing the campaign against Trump even after impeachment which is good. So the news waves will still have some talk about the Ukraine scandal, Mueller Grand jury details (which is delayed but still relevant for election season) and Trump's taxes.
I don't think Nadler has much juice anymore. I figure it Pelosi, Schiff and leadership making the final decisions. Which is to say, I think he's saying more what he thinks they should do than what they will do.
 

NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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All the Bernie people rushing to tut-tut everyone about Pelosi is such a microcosm for his whole campaign. Cheering on Pelosi is not an endorsement of every position she's ever taken, people are just tired of being gaslit about how everything is normal and it's satisfying to see a politician say no, this shit is not normal. The Bernie people always do this weird thing where anytime people get excited about someone that's not Bernie they have to swoop in to patronizingly explain Actually This Person Is Bad And So Are You. They can't just cheer along with other Dems because they think the people who like Nancy Pelosi are bad people.

Kind of speaks to a larger problem where Bernie and his supporters are vying for the nomination of a party they don't like, and whose mainstream supporters they very transparently think are stupid and ignorant. There is really no attempt at outreach or recognition that winning the nomination and GE requires millions of people who voted for Clinton and/or actually like politicians like Pelosi to vote for Sanders. There is kind of this attitude that those people are just neoliberal ghouls who will be out represented by the RealPeople anyway, and that people who can't see why they should support Bernie are just bad people who should be ignored. Not exactly a great way to build a coalition. Of course I will vote and campaign for whoever, but I really worry about Bernie getting the nom.

Not going to lie, it worries me as well because I don't think Bernie's hardcore supporters are as interested in building a coalition as Bernie is.

There was a harsher way to put that but it was needlessly antagonistic and I don't feel like getting in a fight over stupid stuff.
 
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New strategy? Perhaps he realized he was Biden his time for too long.

Supposedly there's a surge in undeclared-party registrations in NH. Are most of these projected to go to Sanders?
 

Finale Fireworker

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I know there is only partial data but is there any assessment of what the turn out in Iowa is like? I've seen some different takes on it being good/bad but no actual sources myself. Would really like to see a summary.
 

Box of Kittens

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Generally speaking I want candidates to, if not exactly get nasty, then not hold back in a primary. Republicans certainly aren't going to hold back in the general so I'd rather have a candidate who's already demonstrated an ability to effectively respond to attacks on the national stage.
 

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Trump admin official tells reporters it was "fun" over past two weeks watching the media write Juan Guaido's "obit" for losing Trump's support--only to spring the surprise SOTU visit last night. That suggests protecting the surprise reveal was the priority over clearing things up
 

Alpheus

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Bernie has been responding to the socialist comments against him for years.

He just uses that as a platform to talk about his policies. "Yeah I am a socialist... I want free tuition, universal healthcare, clean energy and reduce income inequality... wow so crazy right?"
Yea but he needs practice on doing it in a way to not scare the olds if he wants a decent shot at winning.
 

Exellus

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I await that magic moment Sanders completely secures the nomination, and suddenly everyone in the party thinks he's the best idea since sliced bread and that they were always all his best friends.
 

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The whole idea that Republicans are just going to call everyone a socialist so it doesn't matter for Bernie is kind of silly. Of course they will call Biden a socialist too, the difference is that Bernie actually does call himself a socialist. It's naive to think these attacks are not going to be effective at all against Bernie. It's definitely something he is going to have to contend with more than the other candidates, and it's going to be difficult to get people to believe that Republicans are unreasonable and just slinging dirt when they see attack ads with footage where Bernie literally calls himself a socialist.
 
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