Most people didn't expect the NDP surge in Quebec to last, maybe if Layton didn't pass but it seemed pretty likely it was a one time thing
Hell, some of the NDP MP's in Quebec had no expectation of winning and weren't the most prepared
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Most people didn't expect the NDP surge in Quebec to last, maybe if Layton didn't pass but it seemed pretty likely it was a one time thing
Hell, some of the NDP MP's in Quebec had no expectation of winning and weren't the most prepared
I know I feel ashamed for all the years I could have voted and didn't. Granted I live in Canada for the past 20 years so it never seemed worth the hassle to figure out how to absentee vote. Glad I did for 2018 though and now Ill never not vote again.
CPC getting all those votes had absolutely nothing to do with the blackface revelations
was tlaib criticizing clinton for being a terf...?
i'd like to think some canadians think that doing blackface is bad, actually, but could you elaborate?
Doug Ford being an incompetent twit pretty much killed any gains that CPC could've gotten in Ontario
which again, comes across as racist considering the racial makeup of her district - "poor people of color are so ignorant they do not know who they vote for". You do not need these kind of baseless hypotheses straight of of Fox News playbook to critique her, you can actually critique her based on her real words and action.
That a mostly white male punditry class has to lean in on fantasia to make sense of how Tlaib and her politics would speak to her constituents, who are mostly working class people of color is completely fucked up especially if those same pundits say they come in form an identity politics perspective. It's easier for the online pundit class to make sense of Tlaib winning by imagining a black man voting on her by ignorance and incomprehension rather than as active political subject that strive for radical change - That's some grade A white paternalist "identity politics".
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I think this was a mistake, but comparing booing Hillary to a "lock her up" chant is kind of absurd.
Yeah they were going to do better than 2015.
That too. I mean, hell, Liberals picked up Lisa Raitt's seat lol.
If the blackface bothered you, you surely wouldn't vote for the conservatives
they probably went, maybe, Green, stayed home, or... voted Bloc? but probably stayed home. my guess that if someone said that's why they voted Tory, they were never going to vote Liberal anyway.
Are you like...reading what people are saying or just looking for a reason to call out something that's not happening?
Literally no one has criticized her for it. We've all said she has the right to do whatever she wants and say whatever. We were just discussing how there could be a potential for some blowback in her district. That's all. That's not saying she's out of anyones good graces or anything like that.
I doubt any voted bloc, I don't think Quebec really cared about it that much and polling showed visible minority groups accepted his apology or didn't think he was racist because of person he is now..... And the CPC getting in power would be much worse
okay, fuck Canada. This would be pretty insane if it happened (though it's an outlier)
Europe Elects has Fianna Fail and Fine Gael averaging below 50% again -- currently 49.4%. But Fianna Fail is in a free fall right now while Fine Gael has been extremely steady between 25% and 27%, while Sinn Fein and the Greens are surging. Would be, uh, a result if this happened.
Europe Elects has Fianna Fail and Fine Gael averaging below 50% again -- currently 49.4%. But Fianna Fail is in a free fall right now while Fine Gael has been extremely steady between 25% and 27%, while Sinn Fein and the Greens are surging. Would be, uh, a result if this happened.
No one even noticed that this was a thing outside of a few weird twitter bubbles.
I mean, its Hillary Clinton, its not like she was making fun of someone relevant in 2020.
I just want Rachel Notley to be queen again and Kenney to fuck off forever.
Just keep Kenney out of federal politics......although Peter McKay is making an ass of himself already, Erin O'Toole as well =/ Posting BS fake news seems to be a par for the course for cons these days
The same LNP of climate change deniers, that's pushing a "religious freedom bill", union busting, and tax cuts that overwhelmingly favour high earners. That LNP?
O.o
Holy shit, I forgot that! She tried to save it by saying "Y'know, like Robert Kennedy!"
2008 was bananas, and I keep forgetting just how bananas it was. This country lost its mind in a lot of ways during the primaries and the GE.
He'd be in the moderate wing of the LNP party yeah. Like Turnbull was. Accepting of the science of climate change, no ideological issue with SSM, pro finance and banking. Socially liberal, economically conservative.
He would never be in the Labor Party let alone the Greens. With his record on mass incarceration, the war on drugs, the Iraq War, position on capital punishment, weak support for universal health care, you are dreaming if you think he'd be anywhere but a moderate in the Coalition.
is it too much to ask for a compilation of the back and forth in that race? I was too young for all this shit :(
Turnbull could have easily found himself in the Labor Party in a slightly alternate reality. Also, lol zero suggestion he'd be in the Greens so I don't know where that came from. Biden's career has basically tracked along a moderate Democrat path, in a different context he'd just have aligned with whatever centre left party there was.
And I thought we were talking about the current Joe Biden who's running for President.
And I thought we were talking about the current Joe Biden who's running for President.
I think the certainty of a Dem winning that election made that race a lot more crazier then it would've been otherwise. 2016 came somewhat close but with Trump looming in the background, Hillary held back.
Alberta and Saskatchewan have long been anti Liberal strongholds. It goes back much further than anything in the Trudeau Jr Era. There is a ton of regional factionalism in Canada for better and worse.
The blackface incident didn't move the needle too much. Culturally things are... different in Canada in ways that I can't summarize well at the moment. The videos did not show him being mean spirited. He had a long record, and public trust, to then say 'I was an idiot for doing that when I was younger, and I've grown since'. People took him at his word. Most of the Indian community (remember he did brown face as well) shrugged and said 'what's the big deal?'.
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Turnbull actually tried to join the Labor Party after he got owned in the Republic Referendum but they gave him the run around because they didn't want him. He tried it in this reality and they said fuck no.
We're talking about it because you said in Australia, Biden would not be in the major conservative party when actually, he absolutely would be. He'd be a moderate LNP MP in a safe blue ribbon seat, or maybe a Senator in the 1 or 2 spot on a state ticket.
I don't follow it close enough, but I honestly don't see how Labor here is so far from the centre that it wouldn't accommodate someone like Biden. It's not like this is some socialist paradise, lol. It took longer in Aus to achieve SSM than most Western nations because people like Gillard were personally opposed.
Under that assertion, someone like Helen Clark would have actually been a LNP member in Australia.
Under that assertion, someone like Helen Clark would have actually been a LNP member in Australia.
Pretty sure in any country with two major parties that get the lion's share of the vote, he would be in the center left party. Australia included. Would be a bigger question in non-UK European countries.
I think this is probably true for most elected Democrats. There's a decently coherent ideology to Democrats now, especially compared to most of the 20th century.
Labor isn't far from the centre, Biden is. The Labor Party is a democratic socialist party attempting to increase worker control over the economy. I don't deny they often fail and suck shit but that's a critique from the left.
Seriously, how do you think Biden in the 1970s would have reacted being a member of a party that was lead by Gough Whitlam. How do you think Biden in the 1990s would have reacted being a member of a party that was lead by Bob Hawke and Paul Keating. He would be drastically to the right of all of them.
It's a self-described social democrat party, and acts as such, it does not remotely act as a democratic socialist party.
And this pretty much describes any major centre-left party in a Western democracy.
They vary to degrees, but this is basically like saying fight for $15 people in the US are actually conservatives because the Australian minimum wage is $19.49.
And this pretty much describes any major centre-left party in a Western democracy.
They vary to degrees, but this is basically like saying fight for $15 people in the US are actually conservatives because the Australian minimum wage is $19.49.
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To be fair, a few did try to play it off as her being old or it just being a "Biden" moment of foot in mouth.
It was generally a shitty take and supports bad views people have on Trans folk. It wasn't as bad as say making yet another "LOL I identify as" joke or outright saying burn the trans away but it was bad.
2020 Biden is only a product of the time he has been forced to conform within. People like Joe are all too comfortable with whatever the norm may be.
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She deserves being booed for sticking her head in where it doesn't belong to attack Bernie with a ridiculously hypocritical and inaccurate accusation.
And the fact that she's a TERF makes it even easier.
David Sirota actively tried to get Trump elected.
And Bernie brought him onto his 2020 campaign.
It's not an accusation. It's a fact.
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I mean sorta?
Biden did push for gay marriage in 2008.
It was very popular.
You've basically summarized the majority of rank and file politicians in every party everywhere.
I mean sorta?
Biden did push for gay marriage in 2008.
It was very popular.
The earliest comments I can find were 2012.
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I mean...the graph still shows it being very unpopular.
My point is, sometimes the dems do take stands. Biden even.
Yeah, he definitely wasn't public about supporting gay marriage in 2008.
In private in 2009, though:
Which speaks to a lack of backbone.
Speaking of lack of backbone but at least having private beliefs in line with later actions:
I mean, on the one hand you can say that they actually delivered on their private beliefs and used their public stance to get votes to deliver on it. On the other... Yeah...
Sometimes yes, but Biden is a textbook example of a politician that doesn't typically do that. Consensus for Gay marriage was the majority in 2012.
Good links. I'd only known of his 2010 comment where he said it appeared that the nation was moving towards a national consensus.
I think it's great when politicians are passionate about their views, even if the views they hold do not represent the views of the majority. I don't begrudge politicians whose views change as the majority's views change, however. That's what democracy basically is, after all -- the majority's decision to have a country function in a specific way. That's also how legislature should work, theoretically. Which is not to say that laws and public opinion are 'correct' or just, or that they shouldn't be changed. You'll just have a really hard time changing things, if you do not have sufficient support.
That said, I am inspired by politicians who demonstrate consistency. Unless they're consistently racist or whatever, of course!
That said, I am inspired by politicians who demonstrate consistency. Unless they're consistently racist or whatever, of course!
Hilary can absolutely be blamed for the failings of her own campaign. It's doubly funny that so many people rush to point to XYZ reason that she lost (of which there were many external ones, some unprecedented even) but tend to ignore that Hilary's camp actively signal boosted and instructed the media to legitimize Trump during the Republican Primary. Like, straight up, to make his platform mainstream within the Republican Party.
Because encouraging racism, xenophobia, homophobia, right wing terrorism, is all just fine so long as you think it will help you win an election. Who cares about the people hurt in the process.
Hillary and her team get a pass on that because 'no one thought Trump could win the GE'. It would just be great if people would extend that reasoning to anyone other than Hillary, or that she herself would understand that when looking at the actions of others during that time.
There are things that were absolutely outside of her control, but lately every time Hilldawg returns to the public, its to bemoan that how unfair everything was. Like, yes, there was a lot of unfair BS like decades of smears, but Republicans didn't make her run a shitty campaign.
What? No he did not.I mean sorta?
Biden did push for gay marriage in 2008.
It was very popular.
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