AOC is right when she said in any other country that Biden and her would be in opposing parties. She is absolutely right and it only shores up my opinion that Biden should've run as a republican in my uninformed opinion
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
- Thread starter TheHunter
- Start date
- Status
Biden's positions on social issues alone would have him excommunicated from their party.
OP
OP
You're going to have remember, I was only half ass paying attention to politics and transitioning into liberalism during that time so I I had no idea
Obama gave a rousing speech at the Convention a few years earlier and was seen as a future leader of the Party.
earlier this week he posted video of supposed used needles he found in some "liberal" city except the protective cover was still on.
I'm sorry but this kind of attitude is just insane for the potential nominee of the party. Biden proposed climate change legislation in the 80s. He helped passed background checks for guns and cowrote the original assault weapons ban in the 90s. He railed against GWBs tax cuts. The last time he could have ever run as a Republican was 1972. Come on.
At least you're self aware.
AOC should run as an independent, since the majority of the Democratic Party does not align with her, but I digress.
Times change
The Overton window changes over time
To me, at least, he's the last word of Clintonian era liberal values
He's also want to cut on SSI/Medicadi for awhile, which as a beneficary of both, nah I'd rather he go away no matter what his accomplishment. That's my line in the sand
OP
OP
No.
And stop spreading this nonsense. Biden is a moderate old boomer; he very clearly fought for gay rights when no one else was. Yes, he's done shitty things and says bad stuff (MY Segregationist FRIEND!) but a republican he is not.
So romney votes for witnesses, but also to table the amendment to subpoena Bolton and Mulvaney.
Glad more people are seeing where this was headed when i called it years ago.
Reminder: he invited Russian spymasters into the Oval Office to spill above-top-secrets after firing Comey.
Narcissists CANT not do something dangerous and stupid after dodging a deserved punishment.
OP
OP
Considering progressives have yet to win alot of seats I'd say no.
The internet makes it too easy for people to share their uninformed opinions.
They all get together and celebrate and amplify their ignorance. And we end up with Donald Trump, President of the United States of America.
It gets hard to not think it's what we deserve.
People here really underestimate how much the political landscape has changed since AOC/ the squad has arrived
Kick out Romney for voting for some witnesses, invite one of the worst politicians in UK history for fucking up an entire country
We can blather on uselessly as much as possible and really I'd actually rather not
But AOC's election really has permanently changed my view on democratic establishment
But AOC's election really has permanently changed my view on democratic establishment
OP
OP
Not enough that you can just hostile take over the democratic party.
In fact, that would be a terrible move on your part.
I think you're overestimating their impact in the suburbs and rural areas.
OP
OP
What you haven't realized is that the thing defining the two parties today is the Southern Strategy and the way the current GOP is explicitly a reacrionary response to Civil Rights. As a certain bird likes to say- the South has no actual history of democracy.
This came up on my feed and is a good explainer on the demographics where Trumpism is strongest- https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2016/09/27/the-last-jim-crow-generation/#7d61cf3116ee
AOC won a hyper-low-turnout primary where the incumbent was reassigned to a half-Hispanic district.
All credit to her for spotting the opportunity and taking the shot, but it is absolutely not a circumstance that translates to the party as a whole.
The argument only works in countries with more than 2 party system. Maybe then Biden would be in Labor party and AOC would be in Green party. That's maybe what AOC meant when she said it. But no way would Biden be in the conservative party in developed Western countries or whatever the Republican party. Especially when you consider that he is running left of Obama on policies....
At least you're aware that you're uninformed. That's a thing many won't admit. So at least your discussion can be taken for what it is and be approached from that vantage point.
Ugh. Hillary. I don't disagree. But again, can we have peace from the nest you are sure to rattle?
I do respect her pettiness though.
I know supposedly there wasn't much of an effect in 2016, but the recent poll extremely deflated me knowing only a little over a half of Sanders supporters said they would support another candidate if he didn't win the primary. Absolutely trash people who do that.
It goes without saying that Hilary is fine with a 4th term of Trump if it means Bernie doesn't win.
Do you or have you ever lived in a country with a real multiparty system? What an ignorant thing to say.
Already enough uninformed opinions in politics. They're at different places for sure, but dude isn't a republican nor should he run as one. Get real. Not every take needs to pit everyone at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
for me this is what it comes to: When you continually talk about cutting SSI/Medicaid out of some fucked up prospect of being fiscal hawk, you absolutely lose me. It also speaks to a continual intellectual rot his brain has. There's character defect and then there's actual honest to god intellectual rot of the brain. As if fiscal conservatism is valid and isn't at all based on racism/classism/ableism
Hillary is playing 5th dimension parcheesi here. She knows no one likes her. This helps Bernie.
that explains the confusion
biden was Obama's Vice President
If we win in 2020, the Dem POTUS needs to bar Nigel Farage from entry to the U.S. Same with Katie Hopkins, Piers Morgan, and all the other animals they've got wrecking their country. We have enough of those types here already.
If you are going to talk about old ass comments about adjusting SS then you should also bring Bernie into the conversation as it is only fair.
2020 Biden is not running on eradicating Medicaid/SS so I am not sure where you are going with this. That current day AOC would be on opposite sides of the political spectrum of 1974 Biden? Ok...
Maybe there is some truth to Biden not being as sharp as he once was but that is a pivot on the original argument.
Biden has been a pretty generic dem politician, changing with the times.
This is a double-edged sword. It means he has done things you may not like in the past. But it also means he can be pressured into changing with the times as he's shifted left along with the party.
This is a double-edged sword. It means he has done things you may not like in the past. But it also means he can be pressured into changing with the times as he's shifted left along with the party.
I live in a country with a multiparty preferential voting system, and grew up in one with a mixed member proportional system, and Joe Biden as he stands would not be in the major conservative party.
He and AOC may be in different parties but only by virtue of her being in a Green Party equivalent.
He and AOC may be in different parties but only by virtue of her being in a Green Party equivalent.
- Status