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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
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I still can't believe the defense is "okay he did it, but fuck you." I mean I can because it's the only defense they have, but man it's tasty.
Dems are just going to continue to crush it with fundraising with this though. Repubs should have at least faked it and voted for witnesses but then just not agreed on who to call.
Dems are just going to continue to crush it with fundraising with this though. Repubs should have at least faked it and voted for witnesses but then just not agreed on who to call.
50/50 is the biggest possible shitshow we could ever have hoped for.
Okay, person with Bolton's book, you don't have long to leak something else that sounds bad.
Okay, person with Bolton's book, you don't have long to leak something else that sounds bad.
So long as the Republican base accepts any and all bad behavior from Trump and the Party, we will never see them act in the country's best interests over their own political ones. Alexander's statements are so lacking in intellectual and legal merit I almost feel embarrassed, but more than that I feel even more scared of what a smarter/more skilled fascist could do once in office.
its what Republicans would have done. And they always win, so we better adapt.
Let's be honest for a second, this is the best possible outcome. Why? He was NEVER being removed from office, ever. So let them take a stand against what seventy something percent of the American public wants, that's fine by me. There being witnesses was going to have zero effect on what Trump was or wasn't going to do going forward
GOP voting on not having witnesses will piss off a lot of people considering it polls very well.
basically
it gives red state dems would would have been twisting the longer this dragged on any way an easy out.
I don't really get it. They could have called hunter and gotten all the sound bites they wanted to muddy the waters on this even more.
Dustin Volz @dnvolz
Lamar Alexander votes with Trump more than 90 percent of the time and until about yesterday was never viewed as a swing vote on anything. This was all theater.
11:21 PM - Jan 30, 2020
Tim Alberta @TimAlberta
A thought on Lamar Alexander:
His retirement is less relevant than you might think. Trump's grip on the GOP has implications far beyond elected office. Lamar is looking forward to a life after politics — and he knows it will be complicated by any break w/ Trump over impeachment.
I've spent a LOT of time with retired (and retiring) congressional Rs since 2016. Most feel zero sense of liberation to bash Trump on the way out. If anything, they're even more cowed & cautious, fearing that being out of favor w: POTUS (and his party) limits their earning power.
And it's not just about money. I've had numerous retiring Rs talk warily — sometimes fearfully — about the "cult" of Trump supporters back home. They worry about harassment of their families, loss of standing in local communities, estranged relationships, etc.
10:31 PM - Jan 30, 2020
Lamar Alexander votes with Trump more than 90 percent of the time and until about yesterday was never viewed as a swing vote on anything. This was all theater.
11:21 PM - Jan 30, 2020
Tim Alberta @TimAlberta
A thought on Lamar Alexander:
His retirement is less relevant than you might think. Trump's grip on the GOP has implications far beyond elected office. Lamar is looking forward to a life after politics — and he knows it will be complicated by any break w/ Trump over impeachment.
I've spent a LOT of time with retired (and retiring) congressional Rs since 2016. Most feel zero sense of liberation to bash Trump on the way out. If anything, they're even more cowed & cautious, fearing that being out of favor w: POTUS (and his party) limits their earning power.
And it's not just about money. I've had numerous retiring Rs talk warily — sometimes fearfully — about the "cult" of Trump supporters back home. They worry about harassment of their families, loss of standing in local communities, estranged relationships, etc.
10:31 PM - Jan 30, 2020
True, but witnesses might have got Americans to tune in. Who's watching congress debate itself without witnesses? That's why they didn't want any, not because it would change the outcome, but because it's bad optics.
I'm unironically looking forward to what hilariously corrupt shit then next dem president can do. You know, so long as there's no actual crime committed I guess?
There's going to be so much fuckery the rest of the year. Holy shit. There's no reason for him to NOT do every awful thing you could ever thing of and then even more on top of that.
There's going to be so much fuckery the rest of the year. Holy shit. There's no reason for him to NOT do every awful thing you could ever thing of and then even more on top of that.
Depressingly, this is also somehow true.
No sympathy. They created, feed, and enabled this monster. Face the consequences.
The vote (witnesses/documents) hasn't happened yet, if/when it does it will be very very bad should witnesses/documents not move forward. The best possible outcome, this is not.
My thoughts exactly. Low information voters will hear no witness and know it was a sham. If they allowed witness they will still acquit him anyway and then can run on the talking point that we had witness so what are the Dems complaining about.
So uh, I don't think most Americans have any idea that the entire trial is about to end. I mean, what kind of trial just ENDS before witnesses and evidence? That's silly.
Depends on how you look at it. Bolton was never going to be allowed to publicly testify, and past that anything deemed as harming to Trump was never going to get the votes to be admitted. At the end of the day going forward on witnesses was going to be Bolton behind closed doors versus one or both Biden's in public, and nothing more. It was a sham, it was always going to be a sham. So fine, let them end the sham and do so against what the vast majority of what the American public wants.
Lamar Alexander is a Republican from Tennessee. The legacy he cares about is one that appeals to his neighbors, not to liberal history professors in 30 years.
To add to this: there are social life implications for Republicans who cross Trump too. Many of their friends and the people they interact with on a day-to-day basis are other Republicans, lawmakers, lobbyists, CEOs, fundraisers, power brokers, etc. Breaking with Trump means having all of their friends turn on them. It's why Supreme Court justices will continue to rule in Trump's favor despite lifetime appointments that technically shield them from any kind of accountability; they don't want to be uninvited to the Federalist Society Christmas parties.
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Was about to type the exact same response. You make a deal with the devil...
No, the solution is abolishment of the office of president and the first past the post systems.
At least, that's my view as a non-American.
Manchin probably. Jones? Unless he's entirely resigned to his fate already and wants the AG job.
Yep, as talked about here
I have absolutely no sympathy for these fuckheads
Can they vote "present" with the excuse that they could not appease their virulent racist base without all evidence and witnesses being presented. Without giving the shitbag a bipartisan ruling?
I have trouble feeling any sympathy for Bolton, who has set us on an inevitable and possibly nuclear collision course with both North Korea and Iran, and even Russia (INF withdrawal). I appreciate he has some kind of moral line he's not willing to cross with Trump, but that'll be of small comfort during our future warfighting.
I'm (ironically) looking forward to see what brazen shit Trump decides to do in the open after being acquitted.
Im expecting him to publicly announce that Barr will open an investigation into Biden or Bernie (whoever wins the primary).
Im expecting him to publicly announce that Barr will open an investigation into Biden or Bernie (whoever wins the primary).
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