US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]

Max Quordlepleen · Jan 30, 2020

danm999 said:
The biggest thing you could do to the US senate in the next term would be making DC a state and letting Puerto Rico vote on statehood though.

Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Teggy · Jan 30, 2020

Wat

RastaMentality · Jan 30, 2020

danm999 · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Damn!

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

please no poll in this thread

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Bernie doesn't actually support keeping the filibuster

Titanpaul · Jan 30, 2020

Teggy said:

if my meat isn't from a dead animal am I even american

EvilChameleon · Jan 30, 2020

Teggy said:
Wat

Probably was preceded by a sentence about Democrats killing jobs.

RailWays · Jan 30, 2020

Teggy said:
Wat

"First your burgers, then you."

Steel · Jan 30, 2020

Graham sending a Q on behalf of murko and Alexander. It's doomed.
Edit: Yup, it was a leading question saying that witnesses are not necessary.

EricTheGamerman · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

How in the ever living fuck did you arrive at this conclusion or come up with any idea that any of the other candidates have proposed anything remotely far reaching enough to address the problems you're citing in the first place?

Bramblebutt · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Does supporting bypassing the filibuster through reconciliation over formally abolishing the filibuster really warrant such inflammatory accusations of racism?

Deleted member 176 · Jan 30, 2020

Teggy said:
Wat

Donald Trump, animal rights activist

Surfinn · Jan 30, 2020

pigeon said:
please no poll in this thread

Why not? As far as I can remember, there hasn't been a recent poll in which people choose who they'd currently vote for, and the results would be interesting. I'd like to see if they're comparable to the primary OT thread or not.

RastaMentality · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

So much histrionics in this post.

AnotherNils · Jan 30, 2020

yogurt · Jan 30, 2020

If we do a poll, could we make it multi-selectable? Like, select your top 3?

Gives more flexibility to folks who are undecided or voting in later states.

Also hide usernames so folks don't get harassed ...

Ogodei · Jan 30, 2020

RastaMentality said:

Donkey Kong surging to 3rd in Iowa.

Wilsongt · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:

time to wrap this shit up already.

Scottt · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Fascinating.

Wilsongt · Jan 30, 2020

Honestly? Probably. They were rich, white land owners who were not infallible.

AnotherNils · Jan 30, 2020

Wilsongt said:
time to wrap this shit up already.

Learned the lesson of Kavanaugh. If you're gonna take shit for pursuing a limited investigation, just skip the investigation altogether and take shit for not having one.

I gotta say, I'm still shocked. Democrats better hammer them on this on the campaign trail incessantly.

GYODX · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

LOL

Deleted member 13101 · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:

That there's no harm in bringing him in? Yeah, and now they will know which senators will have ulterior motives for suppressing Bolton, while providing cover for their own eventual acquittal votes.

Max Quordlepleen · Jan 30, 2020

Bramblebutt said:
Does supporting bypassing the filibuster through reconciliation over formally abolishing the filibuster really warrant such inflammatory accusations of racism?

Does preferring a very limited range of policy passing options by supporting using reconciliation instead of abolishing the filibuster altogether (which would a allow a much broader and ambitious policy program) while at the same time for everything else screaming for maximalist, revolutionary political change warrant questions as to whose welfare the candidate appears to be most concerned?

Look I would really prefer an alternative explanation to racism of why Bernie prefers keeping the status quo intact for this single matter only! It just happens to be the one which keeps the political power of white people intact:(

Chaos Legion · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Bless you for your courage.

Mekanos · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

So... what does that mean if I'm a Californian voting for Bernie?

danm999 · Jan 30, 2020

pigeon said:
Bernie doesn't actually support keeping the filibuster

How does he feel about Soviet autocracy though

Seattle6418 · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

This makes zero sense. I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on assumptions.

pigeon said:
please no poll in this thread

Why not?

Results alone would be a good 10-20 page discussion. We need something to talk about before Monday night. I mean, impeachment is just meh.

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Does preferring a very limited range of policy passing options by supporting using reconciliation instead of abolishing the filibuster altogether (which would a allow a much broader and ambitious policy program) while at the same time for everything else screaming for maximalist, revolutionary political change warrant questions as to whose welfare the candidate appears to be most concerned?

Look I would really prefer an alternative explanation to racism of why Bernie prefers keeping the status quo intact for this single matter only! It just happens to be the one which keeps the political power of white people intact:(

Since you can have an unlimited number of budget resolutions per year, using reconciliation does not actually limit your policy agenda beyond those limits imposed by a non-filibustering Senate.

It does seem like a dumb plan compared to not eliminating the filibuster, but nobody ever said Bernie was smart about parliamentary procedure.

Teggy · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:

gross

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Surfinn said:
Why not? As far as I can remember, there hasn't been a recent poll in which people choose who they'd currently vote for, and the results would be interesting. I'd like to see if they're comparable to the primary OT thread or not.

Polls are bad for democracy

I personally don't want to know who people will vote for

Seattle6418 said:
This makes zero sense. I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on assumptions.

Why not?

Results alone would be a good 10-20 page discussion. We need something to talk about before Monday night. I mean, impeachment is just meh.

The idea of ten pages of discussion of the results of the poll is exactly why it would be absolutely horrendous to have a poll

Steel · Jan 30, 2020

pigeon said:
Since you can have an unlimited number of budget resolutions per year, using reconciliation does not actually limit your policy agenda beyond those limits imposed by a non-filibustering Senate.

It does seem like a dumb plan compared to not eliminating the filibuster, but nobody ever said Bernie was smart about parliamentary procedure.

Yeah, I don't see the Senate being more open to abusing reconciliation to the limit than they would be nuking the filibuster.

AnotherNils · Jan 30, 2020

I wonder if Putin masturbates to these trial sessions nightly. It's really incredible.

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Steel said:
Yeah, I don't see the Senate being more open to abusing reconciliation to the limit than they would be nuking the filibuster.

like I said, I think Bernie is just wrong about this, but he's wrong in a mostly isomorphic way

Soul Skater · Jan 30, 2020

Max Quordlepleen said:
Have fun accomplishing that with a president who supports keeping the filibuster with such passion.

Voting for Bernie is nothing else than expressing your view that you are liberal but preferring that rural white people still remain a check on those uppity colored people from urban regions. Why else would you prefer a candidate who talks a big game, but doesn't want to address any fundamental problems of the political system? Come on, just be proud of yourself that you support a president who governs the same way as Trump - by executive order - I guess that style of government bernie picked up during his honeymoon and never wanted to divert from it.

Remember though, a vote for Bernie is an expression that you yourself deeply believe that people from North Dakota are worth more than people from California. And after you've done that please think about what in your mind could be the difference between people in North Dakota and California. And one additional request afterwards, do you really think people with your opinion on minority rights is well suited to the Democratic party or is not the Republican party fundamentally better aligned on the most pressing issues today?

Deleted member 176 · Jan 30, 2020

The "Bernie Sanders is a racist because he thinks North Dakota should have two senators" attack adds would be brutal.

Surfinn · Jan 30, 2020

pigeon said:
Polls are bad for democracy

I personally don't want to know who people will vote for

The idea of ten pages of discussion of the results of the poll is exactly why it would be absolutely horrendous to have a poll

We could protect voters by hiding names in results, could be interesting, especially so close to Monday.

AnotherNils · Jan 30, 2020

Can he make the announcement so I can get off the internet for the night? I'm exhausted.

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Brock Reiher said:
The "Bernie Sanders is a racist because he thinks North Dakota should have two senators" attack adds would be brutal.

it is pretty racist that North Dakota has two senators, Wyoming is the one I'd put in the ad though

Sirhc · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:

Ahahahaha "Dear defense, did you client do the crime? Oh you say your client you are defending is not guilty? You seem to be a fair and impartial party I shall believe you."

I just can't anymore, 2020 has been exhausting.

Tfritz · Jan 30, 2020

Soul Skater said:

now this is freaking epic

Soul Skater · Jan 30, 2020

How about every single time someone has the urge to get into a stupid useless argument about nuking the filibuster everyone stops posting and donates to someone who's running in Maine, Georgia, Colorado, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Alaska.

This constant nonsense is stupid and actually puts the people who we need to even have control of the body in the first place in a terrible spot. A Democratic nominee who is arguing killing the buster all the time is exactly what Republican senators playing defense want.

so how about we all shut the fuck up, win the senate and figure out what to do with it when we actually have control of it.

do you people even know how little bargaining room we have here. We are potentially one seat away from a dem president who won't even be able to fill cabinet positions, let alone judges

Titanpaul · Jan 30, 2020

can Dems elect Biden so we can call for his impeachment

Iolo · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:

We know how they're gonna vote but this could charitably be interpreted as "then the defense wouldn't object to us calling Bolton since he can't hurt your client".

Fine, who am I kidding.

pigeon · Jan 30, 2020

Soul Skater said:
How about every single time someone has the urge to get into a stupid useless argument about nuking the filibuster everyone stops posting and donates to someone who's running in Maine, Georgia, Colorado, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Alaska.

This constant nonsense is stupid and actually puts the people who we need to even have control of the body in the first place in a terrible spot. A Democratic nominee who is arguing killing the buster all the time is exactly what Republican senators playing defense want.

so how about we all shut the fuck up, win the senate and figure out what to do with it when we actually have control of it.

do you people even know how little bargaining room we have here. We are potentially one seat away from a dem president who won't even be able to fill cabinet positions, let alone judges

Trump already showed us that you don't need the Senate to fill every cabinet post.

DinosaurusRex · Jan 30, 2020

I wish Schiff would just say "of course it's impeachable, he's already been impeached" every time they ask presidents council " would it be impeachable"

"the question you must ask is should he be removed and the answer is yes"

Iolo · Jan 30, 2020

AnotherNils said:
Can he make the announcement so I can get off the internet for the night? I'm exhausted.

No, everything Republican is reality TV now. There's no escaping it.

Deleted member 13101 · Jan 30, 2020

Iolo said:
No, everything Republican is reality TV now. There's no escaping it.

Indeed, will Sen. Alexander give the Constitution a rose?

cameron · Jan 30, 2020

Frank Thorp V @frankthorp

NEW stmt from @lisamurkowski: "I am going to go reflect on what I have heard, re-read my notes and decide whether I need to hear more."

10:44 PM - Jan 30, 2020

Alex Bolton @alexanderbolton

Sen. Lamar Alexander said he has informed McConnell how he will vote on witnesses and will issue statement "within the hour."

10:46 PM - Jan 30, 2020

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