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Blue Skies

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Mar 27, 2019
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There's a lot of things that need to be fixed, I don't agree that simply getting rid of one chamber is either helpful or feasible.

A good place to start would be revisiting the permanent apportionment act and greatly increasing the number of Reps in the House from 435 to many hundreds more.
But what good will more house members do if 50 or so senate seats are permanent red?
 

IggyChooChoo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,230
They did it.

There will be no pushback though right? Because America no longer has laws?

Although, this will only be a self inflicted wound to red states, yet another one.
Weird thing to do in an election year. It seems like something that has no political upside for the GOP but yet isn't a policy win either, because it won't go into effect until like 2022, if it isn't unilaterally undone by a dem president anyway.
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
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Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis
Seriously feel like this is an underrated get. Glad the election nerds here know what's up.

The witnesses stuff is going to destroy Collins, Ernst, McSalty, Tillis and Gardner, all of whom are underwater as it is. Perdue is probably safe, but Kobach and Collins could very well cost KS and the GA special for the GOP. Looking forward to it.
 

MetalMagus

Avenger
Oct 16, 2018
1,645
Maine
They did it.

There will be no pushback though right? Because America no longer has laws?

Although, this will only be a self inflicted wound to red states, yet another one.

All part of the plan though, right? Just keep the majority of the WWC desperate and scrambling for money and lay the blame on job stealing mexicans, social service hogging blacks, and corrupt socialist democrats.
 
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13,129
Seriously feel like this is an underrated get. Glad the election nerds here know what's up.

The witnesses stuff is going to destroy Collins, Ernst, McSalty, Tillis and Gardner, all of whom are underwater as it is. Perdue is probably safe, but Kobach and Collins could very well cost KS and the GA special for the GOP. Looking forward to it.
Warnock is easily the best recruit for this moment. The church ties (at MLK's church of all places!) quells a lot of the usual suburban fearmongering attacks that the GOP does. He also seems legitimately well read on socioeconomic issues.

This might work out better than Stacey. The only thing he's missing is name rec.
 

Chaos Legion

The Wise Ones
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Oct 30, 2017
16,923
The NYT quick candidate quiz said I'm a Yang, Klobuchar, Buttigieg.

Questions lack any nuance though
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
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Let's be clear about what this updated argument actually amounts to which is that the president can abuse the powers of his office with a corrupt motive so long as he can come up with any articulated rationale about why it was in the national interest, no matter how implausible.

So we're back to the Muslim ban and Citizenship question rationale.
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
8,892
I doubt this article will get much traction with everything going on, but it lays out how the Trump admin seems to be using the Departments of Transportation (BUILD grants to states) and Agriculture (trade war bailout payments to farmers) to inordinately benefit Republican candidates and constituents for political gain. Written by Senator Tina Smith (D-MN, formerly Lieutenant Governor, appointed to Franken's seat after his resignation, won special election in 2018).

I won't quote the whole thing here, but yet again, like everything else in this administration, we see how partisan loyalty is what matters. The rest of us aren't treated fairly. Why do farmers in red southern states receive far higher per-acre bailout payments than those in the rest of the country? Why does Kentucky get a $10M grant for an "excursion pier," while Minnesota doesn't get any of those $900M in BUILD grants last year?
 
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Blue Skies

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Mar 27, 2019
9,224
Yea that NYT quiz has some weird questions and phrasing.
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still,got the same top 3 asfrom the WAPO one
 

DinosaurusRex

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Oct 26, 2017
5,953
I doubt this article will get much traction with everything going on, but it lays out how the Trump admin seems to be using the Departments of Transportation (BUILD grants to states) and Agriculture (trade war bailout payments to farmers) to inordinately benefit Republican candidates and constituents for political gain. Written by Senator Tina Smith (D-MN, formerly Lieutenant Governor, appointed to Franken's seat after his resignation, won special election in 2018).

I won't quote the whole thing here, but yet again, like everything else in this administration, we see how partisan loyalty is what matters. The rest of us aren't treated fairly.
This shouldn't be surprising since the whole administration is ran like a protection racket for the presidents personal interests and those who show deference.
 

Kraid

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,269
Cuck Zone
I doubt this article will get much traction with everything going on, but it lays out how the Trump admin seems to be using the Departments of Transportation (BUILD grants to states) and Agriculture (trade war bailout payments to farmers) to inordinately benefit Republican candidates and constituents for political gain. Written by Senator Tina Smith (D-MN, formerly Lieutenant Governor, appointed to Franken's seat after his resignation, won special election in 2018).

I won't quote the whole thing here, but yet again, like everything else in this administration, we see how partisan loyalty is what matters. The rest of us aren't treated fairly. Why do farmers in red southern states receive far higher per-acre bailout payments than those in the rest of the country? Why does Kentucky get a $10M grant for an "excursion pier," while Minnesota doesn't get any of those $900M in BUILD grants last year?
I'm intimately familiar with the rail crossings here. I used to commute from Fargo to MSUM and it was a huge pain in the ass.
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
7,136
Honestly my biggest concern at this point is the validity of the 2020 election. The GOP have hinged all their bets on Trump winning 2020, and have thus completely shut-down any improvements in election security.

We as a country rely on the faith in our elections, but that is a double-edged sword, as it prevents us from realistically discussing when our elections have become compromised.

People often dismiss this as fear-mongering and claim it's impossible to rig a nationwide election, but that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing targeting among the most important districts/states in the country. As we saw from 2016, all it takes is less than 100k votes to sway the election one way or another. You don't need to rig ever voting machine in the country to sway an election...you only need to rig specific voting machines in specific districts. You don't need to purge voters from across the country, you only need do it in the most important states.

We are too scared to discuss these issues, as it can (understandably) lead to less faith in our electoral process....but that's also the very reason it's so possible. It's a blind spot that we cannot shine a light because to do so would risk revealing our biggest fear has already come true.

Trump and the GOP know this. They want the public to believe they have faith in the election....that the POTUS should be decided "by the people." But they don't give a shit about the people electing the POTUS. They only care about maintaining the power that gives them immunity from the blatant corruption occurring....and they will do anything to maintain that power. Dershowitz' argument just furthers that line of reasoning. It's OK for the POTUS to criminally interfere or participate in interference in our election because he believes it's in the best interest of the country.

If Trump wins in 2020, I don't think anyone will be able to convince me that it wasn't because of blatant corruption in our electoral process.
 

SpitztheGreat

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May 16, 2019
2,877
But what good will more house members do if 50 or so senate seats are permanent red?
Giving the Dems a stronger hand in the House is nothing but a win, so don't discount that. Under the current alignment, a Democratic majority in the House is weak and unlikely to persist over multiple elections. Having a stronger chance at controlling at least one chamber at all times should not be discounted in its importance.

Along the same lines, don't be a prisoner to the moment. Today things are really bad for us in the Senate, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It wasn't that long ago that the Senate was our bulwark against the radicals in the House.

That said, both Chambers need a lot of work, and with the Senate's elevated status it needs the most. Dissolving it will NEVER pass, so it isn't even worth discussing.

The problem we face right now is both institutional weaknesses, and the rise of fascism/totalitarian sympathies. There need to be greater checks and balances put into our institutions that will be easier to implement than dissolving the Senate. Things like inoculating the Justice Department from political influence, strengthening our Inspector Generals, actually codifying norms into law, the list goes on and on.

The fascism/totalitarian thing is going to be harder to fix. And until it is, the people who subscribe to it will be a clear and present danger to democratic ideals. No matter how strong our institutions, these people by definition will do everything they can to tear them apart.

The point is, if you are serious about reforming our system of government, there are a lot of better things to start with than dissolving the Senate. It may be the sexy, flashy option, but it is unworkable and doesn't start to address many of the deficiencies that we've seen throughout the government in the last three years.
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
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Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis
Warnock is easily the best recruit for this moment. The church ties (at MLK's church of all places!) quells a lot of the usual suburban fearmongering attacks that the GOP does. He also seems legitimately well read on socioeconomic issues.

This might work out better than Stacey. The only thing he's missing is name rec.
Name rec can be built, too. No one knew who Abrams was at the beginning of the 2018 cycle. Same with O'Rourke.

I think just being able to introduce himself as Ebeneezer's senior pastor instantly gives him credibility. Folks might not know who he is, but they'll appreciate his significance.
 

IggyChooChoo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,230
Giving the Dems a stronger hand in the House is nothing but a win, so don't discount that. Under the current alignment, a Democratic majority in the House is weak and unlikely to persist over multiple elections. Having a stronger chance at controlling at least one chamber at all times should not be discounted in its importance.

Along the same lines, don't be a prisoner to the moment. Today things are really bad for us in the Senate, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It wasn't that long ago that the Senate was our bulwark against the radicals in the House.

That said, both Chambers need a lot of work, and with the Senate's elevated status it needs the most. Dissolving it will NEVER pass, so it isn't even worth discussing.

The problem we face right now is both institutional weaknesses, and the rise of fascism/totalitarian sympathies. There need to be greater checks and balances put into our institutions that will be easier to implement than dissolving the Senate. Things like inoculating the Justice Department from political influence, strengthening our Inspector Generals, actually codifying norms into law, the list goes on and on.

The fascism/totalitarian thing is going to be harder to fix. And until it is, the people who subscribe to it will be a clear and present danger to democratic ideals. No matter how strong our institutions, these people by definition will do everything they can to tear them apart.

The point is, if you are serious about reforming our system of government, there are a lot of better things to start with than dissolving the Senate. It may be the sexy, flashy option, but it is unworkable and doesn't start to address many of the deficiencies that we've seen throughout the government in the last three years.
Well put. It's much easier to convince blue staters to simply #MoveToBoise
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
11,936
That quiz is terrible. Like the "Do you want the person to make history" Yes or NO. Where's the "I just want to win" option? Seriously.
Or Private insurance or Govt only. No public option? Or Private still exists?

Anyway:
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Contrast that with my Wapo one.

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AndyD

Mambo Number PS5
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Oct 27, 2017
8,602
Nashville
Weird thing to do in an election year. It seems like something that has no political upside for the GOP but yet isn't a policy win either, because it won't go into effect until like 2022, if it isn't unilaterally undone by a dem president anyway.
It's good for governonrs and local GOP who can get out from under the "we're not bringing in the X millions we could" and now can say they are bringing them in AND having local control over how it's spent.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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maxx720

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Nov 7, 2017
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So we're back to the Muslim ban and Citizenship question rationale.


I mean why can't I just go and shoot someone in the street/halls of congress as president as long as I believe it's in the national interest? It's the new "I feared for my life" defense that cops use after emptying rounds into unarmed people.
 

Wraith

Member
Jun 28, 2018
8,892
And apropos of nothing (I saw it mentioned in a Monster Factory video), today is Dick Cheney's birthday.
Dick Cheney was Turbovicki's nemesis in Wii Sports Resort.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,620
Maybe it's just the angle of the camera in the Senate chamber, but Roberts' head looks weirdly different.
 

AnotherNils

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,936
Seeing talk on twitter, let's say the Senate dodges witnesses. Will Bolton finally give in and testify in front of the House?
 
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