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adam387

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Nov 27, 2017
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Yup.

He wins them 60-37. She's at 49-36. She also does a much worse job holding on to the Clinton vote than Bernie does. Bernie is at 91-3 with Clinton voters. She's at 84-7.
Thanks. That's what I assumed.
After seeing his support with Hispanics, I wonder if he actually can beat Hillary's numbers in Miami. My instinct is to say no because a lot of Hispanics in Miami are Cuban, who are different and vote differently from, say, Mexican Americans or Puerto Ricans.
IDk if he can do better than Hillary in Miami-Dade, but there MIGHT be some room in Orange and Seminole, especially since those areas have had a bit of a surge in folks relocating from Puerto Rico. If I am remembering correctly, Nelson did basically nothing to activate them whatsoever. If Bernie can do some outreach there, especially with surrogates like AOC? I'm also sure they wouldn't want to, but fuck, send Hillary to Palm Beach County. Let her do a tour with the olds. It'd be worth shoring up some support there.
 

Kusagari

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Yeah, Cuban Americans tend to fall for red scare tactics. This is why I'm super worried FL is a lost cause for Sanders (he's also doing badly in the primary polls we have now) but we don't have statewide races there this time around and we would be insane to base our electoral math on winning FL.

There is also a significant Venezuelan population in Miami who are also very anti-socialism for obvious reasons. You really can't compare FL's Hispanic population to anywhere else in the country.
 

XMonkey

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It's pretty sad that Edward Snowden accused Trump of dangling a pardon for covering up Russian involvement in the DNC hack today and it barely even made a blip. In normal times, this would have killed any president's efforts at re-election.
You mean Assange? I don't doubt it could have happened, but he's not the most reliable person these days. If he's got some receipts that would go a long way.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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So that primary story earlier?

Both parties involved denies it.



Not the first time Edward Isaac Dovere has published negative Bernie stories that get retracted.


Even if it were true, it'd be about as meaningful as trying to smear Warren as a former Republican. It's just shit to rile people up. I liked Obama but I'm not going to gripe about people using political process to try to advance their agendas.
 

GrapeApes

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He's commenting on a story that has already been shown to be inconsistent and inaccurate if not debunked entirely.
Is it really debunked? A denial from the Sanders campaign after the fact and Reid and company saying there was never a serious attempt. Don't think this guy just made this story out of thin air.
 
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.

JOE JOE's Bizarre Adventure Diamond Joe is Actually Very Breakable When we last saw our heroes, Diamond Joe was ascendant and ready to claim first. But, a new hero was on the rise and gunning for his spot. A man wishing to take on the rich and powerful and fight for a more fare and equal...

New thread. Went with a combined suggestion of OT titles. Stuck with the Susan Collins sucks angle.
 

fragamemnon

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Pete's going to go after Bernie, Amy's going after Bernie, Biden is going after Bernie, and Bloomberg is 100% all Bernie trashing all the time in this debate.

There's a tack here in that both Bernie and Bloomberg would need more than just the bare minimum plurality of delegates to be the nominee, and if that story is mixed/messy you, as a reasonable, reliable Democrat with maybe just a bit short of a plurality, can win over the supers and other "regular Dem" delegates and be the compromise pick installed/brokered by Obama and Pelosi.

You don't get there w/o dealing with Bernie's #s and fast.
 
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Justice Democrats on Twitter

“"By the Obama years, we're doing a basically conservative tweak to our health care system...cooked up in the Heritage Foundation and piloted by a Republican governor." -Pete Buttigieg https://t.co/Gt3WM52EUu https://t.co/HqmiXeUXmW”
 

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Justice Democrats on Twitter

“"By the Obama years, we're doing a basically conservative tweak to our health care system...cooked up in the Heritage Foundation and piloted by a Republican governor." -Pete Buttigieg https://t.co/Gt3WM52EUu https://t.co/HqmiXeUXmW”

Someone in the comments said this is frightening and it legitimately is. Guy has a clear understanding of the problems facing society and what's the right thing to do, but he chooses to be fake and gaslights people because he thinks it'll benefit him politically.

You can't trust people like him with anything.
 
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President Obama winning IN in 2008 will always be the staggering one to me. NC at least has the Research Triangle to explain its move toward purpleness. That IN victory was the epitome of unrepeatable.

I can piece together how Obama did it, and even predicted it in the election contest I was participating in, but it still seems so inconceivable now. Especially speaking as someone who grew up in Indiana and still has family there, it seems so incredible.
 

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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.

JOE JOE's Bizarre Adventure Diamond Joe is Actually Very Breakable When we last saw our heroes, Diamond Joe was ascendant and ready to claim first. But, a new hero was on the rise and gunning for his spot. A man wishing to take on the rich and powerful and fight for a more fare and equal...

New thread folks.

Mods lock this one up like Roger Stone.
So this one's gonna be unlocked in a few days too?
 

Crocodile

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It was fine for a while but it got really heated when Chuck Todd made the brown shirt brigade comment about Bernie bros. That even for me who gives a side eye to some of Bernie's vocal online supporters was wayyy crossing the line especially on TV.

Did he ever apologize for that? Man that was some stupid bullshit. Why is Todd so awful sometimes. It feels like one day he "gets it" and the other day he couldn't be more clueless. The whiplash is insane.

It's tragic that this is the conversation about Bernie's base of support comes back to that some really small, hyper-engaged part of them can be kind of mean.

The the wider, much more interesting discussion is that he started with a core of white resentment voters, mostly college educated, that were pissed off by the impact of the Great Recession and it's extremely painful human cost. He's managed since to expand his appeal and retain that base without changing his core messaging. Bernie is actually a really good politician

Not so good with policy ( actually , kind of yikes) , not such a good legislator, not such a good administrator. But super good politician.

I'm inclined to mostly agree with this take.

The first showdown with congress is going to be epic.
The senate will be a pain, but it'll be a stubborn itch compared to the cancer that is a senate lead by Mitch McConnell. Dear God would it be a relief not having him in charge anymore. That said... is Sinema really going to try being a Manchin for a state with two democrat senators (this is assuming they win control of the senate)? If that's the case then they've clearly learned nothing from Obama's presidency. Wet blanket blue dogs that only drag their presidents down just ruin democrat enthusiasm. I blame them more for midterm losses than Obama.

I'm grouping these two posts together as I think I can respond to them together:

Unless Sanders has like an awful and incompetent staff (which I guess isn't impossible?) I don't expect there to be dramatic showdowns on Congress. The current Dem House is way more unified on policy than the Dem House was back during the first 2 years of Obama's presidency for example. A concern of mind is how people behave and react when they realize, legislation-wise, that a Sanders presidency would look super similar to that of a Biden presidency.
 
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