Put this way the problem is really obvious
Make college compulsory or whatever
Stupid people are stupid. Stupid people don't go to college. Stupid people are easily swayed by Trump. College isn't magically going to make stupid people not stupid.
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Stupid people are stupid. Stupid people don't go to college. Stupid people are easily swayed by Trump. College isn't magically going to make stupid people not stupid.
Senate prospects are better than 18 but that's not saying much. We're still dealing with states with slight R leans and have everything to go our way to barely scrape by 50-50 or 51-49. The Senate sitiuation sucks man. We are at a huge disadvantage there. The electoral college is trash and a tie there or a Trump win is gonna destroy this country for good
Circumstance around all this are mixed at best, but –
...I'm fairly sure this is the guy Trump was telling Zelenskiy to keep during the call.
Ha. I'm not worthy, however.
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It's not just stupidity it's stupidity + racism.
Unless White Americans have a monopoly on all of the country's abundant supply of stupidity.
Is that not something most polls have been doing for years? Why was the 2016 election so sensitive to this compared to previous years?
No, that was Lutsenko. Zelensky had already indicated to the media he wanted to fire him and then did so shortly after the July 25 phone call. And we now know why Trump didn't want him to fire Lutsenko:
But white people that go to college are more likely to be exposed to people outside of their WWC circle.
There are stupid people in college.
I think the college-educated vs. non-educated filter has to less do with who's smart and who's dumb, and more to do with:
Yea the problem isn't higher education, it's that they don't get any proper education in K-12.
I guess that's true but I also think that stupid people are more open to racist ideas because they feel extremely threatened by others who are equally or more qualified and can only rely on their ethnicity to "stay ahead"
Probably late to the discussion on thus and my anecdotal experience isn't gospel but... As someone who grew up in rural Indiana, it's not about college education, it's about being exposed to outside influences. The education they need is a sense of the world outside their communities.
I went to school with plenty of genuinely smart, friendly people who were also completely ass backwards because they'd never ventured outside their lily white bubbles except for a week or two visiting places like Chicago or Indianapolis and as a rule, sticking to the "safe" (read: white) parts of said cities. These are folks who had never been around an (out) LGBT individual, for whom Latinx and African American people were distant, far-off people who you only heard of in problematic terms on the local news, stealing jobs and making cities unsafe.
I'm not justifying people being racist (a vote for a Republican, or even abstaining from voting is still a vote for pure evil in the times we live in), just explaining how in 2019 we have such backward ass people; they live in bubbles that sustain generation after generation of ignorance.
Edit: I'm not sure how you fix it, since it requires people to live, work and learn along side people from outside their bubble. But since there's little to no incentive for minorities to move into white communities it rarely seems to happen (and when it does, those people are viewed as invaders, there to take jobs or commit crimes), I think the only other option is to get white people out of their bubble. The only thing that seems to work is pop cultural osmosis, but that takes a long time and is being counteracted by the way people consume media now vs. the late 90s/early 00s.
I went to school with plenty of genuinely smart, friendly people who were also completely ass backwards because they'd never ventured outside their lily white bubbles except for a week or two visiting places like Chicago or Indianapolis and as a rule, sticking to the "safe" (read: white) parts of said cities. These are folks who had never been around an (out) LGBT individual, for whom Latinx and African American people were distant, far-off people who you only heard of in problematic terms on the local news, stealing jobs and making cities unsafe.
I'm not justifying people being racist (a vote for a Republican, or even abstaining from voting is still a vote for pure evil in the times we live in), just explaining how in 2019 we have such backward ass people; they live in bubbles that sustain generation after generation of ignorance.
Edit: I'm not sure how you fix it, since it requires people to live, work and learn along side people from outside their bubble. But since there's little to no incentive for minorities to move into white communities it rarely seems to happen (and when it does, those people are viewed as invaders, there to take jobs or commit crimes), I think the only other option is to get white people out of their bubble. The only thing that seems to work is pop cultural osmosis, but that takes a long time and is being counteracted by the way people consume media now vs. the late 90s/early 00s.
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Let's be real- Even if the Dems can eke out a 51-49 or 50-50, there is not enough support to kill the filibuster. It's just not realistic.
So the most we can hope for is to stop the bleeding- We simply cannot have another Trump administration for 4 years. That's why I care a little less about the Senate than most here... Not as if anything of import is going to be passed. Not in 2020, and not for a long time afterwards.
Yep. I can attest to this myself, as my high school was obscenely white. Going to a state university truly opened me to new cultures and people... I can honestly say that its this exposure that makes college completely worth it, forgetting all of the doors it has opened for my career.
I vote for this for the next thread. Probably my only meaningful contribution to Poli-era lol
Racism is not just something people are manipulated into though. There are plenty of traditionally educated, wealthy, powerful white people who are not economically threatened by non-white people but are still racist because they just don't like black and brown people. The White House is currently filled with many of these knowing and willing racists!
I'm from Kentucky, but yeah it's this exactly. People are never exposed to anyone markedly different than themselves in these little podunk lily white towns, so they turn into massive dumbasses who fear what they don't understand.
of course the NYT is advertising for them
"forum comes online" is not newsworthy and especially this one is undeserving of exposure
Thank you for the clarification! I apparently am confusing one Ukrainian prosecutor who met with Giuliani with another?
One thing I don't understand about electronic voting machines is why can't the voter get the option of a printed receipt for their records?
According to Frederick Brennan, 8chan cofounder and current anti-8chan activist, it's being hosted by Alex Volosovik, who is a big ol' cybercriminal.
I think people panicking about one damn poll an entire year out from the election have to take a breath, look at the political landscape, and ask themseves the simple question of "do you really think anything is going to get better for Trump from this point?" Because I think it's all gradually down hill for him from here. The economy is not going to get better, in fact it's very likely going to get noticeably worse as the edges become more and more frayed risking a general collapse. The impeachment has only just begun and it's clearly an albatross around his neck. And every day more people just become more and more tired of his bullshit and want it to just stop.
There's a long time until the election and Trump has so much time to continue to ruin himself. And considering we don't even have a candidate to rally around yet it makes sense that independent leaning Dems are being indecisive at the moment and Trump has an edge having all his support already shown up. So when there is a candidate they will finally be able to work toward constructively closing that gap.
There's a long time until the election and Trump has so much time to continue to ruin himself. And considering we don't even have a candidate to rally around yet it makes sense that independent leaning Dems are being indecisive at the moment and Trump has an edge having all his support already shown up. So when there is a candidate they will finally be able to work toward constructively closing that gap.
Don't forget an entire propaganda machine is designed to create scapegoats out of everything that threatens the power of a certain political party.
Pointing blame for all of life's problems on foreign devils, Dems, elite coastals, minorities, etc... has a double effect of providing a tangible and simple solution to complicated issues that uneducated and misinformed individuals grasp onto with ease, while also propagating intense mistrust and loathing...which feeds racism and bigotry.
It's absolute corruption at its most dangerous level. Often has led to many of history's worst power plays.
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I mean I've always been liberal but there were maybe 5 black kids in my high school of 1600.
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Are they though?
White college educated still went to Trump so....
I suppose getting things like a big China trade deal, something actually significant in regards to NK, and maybe an infrastructure bill done in the lead up to November could seriously bump him up.
All of those things seem very unlikely right now, though.
Still an improvement, nonetheless.
If non/college whites only went for Trump by the same margin as college whites, Clinton would be president
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Voters don't really care about NK especially after the whole issue has been watered down by two Trump PEACE IN OUR TIME victory laps and there is no chance in hell any Republican sponsored infrastructure bill wouldn't be straight trash hence it'll never pass the House.
And China will play Trump like a drum forever.
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Of course it's those dumbfuck Tucows
I bet Rudy is gonna go on Fox News again and incriminate himself yet again
I mean they don't suddenly become not white, but yes, college education is a big negative factor in racial resentment
These polls should be a wake-up call to anyone who thought a landslide Dem victory was inevitable, but the takeaway shouldn't be "we're doomed." It should be "we've got work to do." The election's still a year out. Exactly a year as of yesterday. There hasn't even been one primary election yet. It's a poll, not the final results.
Kondik actually had a tweet about this earlier that I think is very relevant to expectation setting:
One other point in re: NYT-Siena. The numbers are bad for Democrats if your prior belief is that a Dem should be seen as a big favorite over Trump. However --- 1/2
... if your belief is more like my current feeling, which is that the 2020 general is basically a 50-50 proposition but that Trump has some considerable liabilities, then maybe the numbers aren't that bad for Democrats 2/2
I guess what I'm trying to say, perhaps inartfully, is that the polls certainly don't show Trump dead in the water, but they also hardly show him to be in a commanding position
... if your belief is more like my current feeling, which is that the 2020 general is basically a 50-50 proposition but that Trump has some considerable liabilities, then maybe the numbers aren't that bad for Democrats 2/2
I guess what I'm trying to say, perhaps inartfully, is that the polls certainly don't show Trump dead in the water, but they also hardly show him to be in a commanding position
Taking those numbers at face value, Biden would still be a slight favorite - he beats Trump in 5 of the 6 major swing states! And he only needs three of them to win. In fact, if all he did was add Florida to Clinton's map, winning just one of the other five would push him over 270.
Biden is the primary frontrunner, but I do think it's possible (likely?) he loses in the end, and Warren would probably be the nominee in that case. Her results are certainly frustrating, but if she's able to overcome Biden's lead in primary polling, it stands to reason (for me anyway) she can do that to Trump as well. It will be hard work, to be sure, but everyone should have known that going into it. Even with those margins Biden is posting, it would still be hard work!
Not trying to spin away bad results or anything, just trying to give a less fatalistic perspective I guess.
You all need to stop panicking and vote what your conscious feels. Don't vote pragmatically in the primary. As long as voter turnout is high next year, I believe Sanders or Warren have a strong chance to be nominated. I view polls as suggestions, not foregone conclusions. People will decide on voting day who will be nominated, ultimately.
I think you're right. But I definitely think Trump will try to scramble some "wins" together next year just to say he did something. I could easily see him totally caving on China just to say he made a massive deal and spin it as a win. If the DOW shoots up that's all itll take for the media to give him credit.
[ ] today feel like political nukes going off left and right and we just can't see the mushroom cloud yet to anyone else?
[ ] if you were running the wide ranging fraud campaign to get trump re 'elected' and your job is to frame stories for the media in a very particular way, you'd be getting a raise after today's NYT polling.
[ ] don't forget the misinformation campaign, the division campaign, and the voter suppression/voter depression campaign are all happening RIGHT NOW.
[ ] I want to stay within the boundaries of our rules here, but I see some gamergate-style amplification and divisiveness with some of the OT threads today!
[ ] the very best thing about today is that it is now beyond doubt that trump is obsessed with 'correcting' the visual of him getting booed at a sports event. i hope that sea of college kids chants ok boomer at that fuckin corpulent rat bastard loser.
[ ] if you were running the wide ranging fraud campaign to get trump re 'elected' and your job is to frame stories for the media in a very particular way, you'd be getting a raise after today's NYT polling.
[ ] don't forget the misinformation campaign, the division campaign, and the voter suppression/voter depression campaign are all happening RIGHT NOW.
[ ] I want to stay within the boundaries of our rules here, but I see some gamergate-style amplification and divisiveness with some of the OT threads today!
[ ] the very best thing about today is that it is now beyond doubt that trump is obsessed with 'correcting' the visual of him getting booed at a sports event. i hope that sea of college kids chants ok boomer at that fuckin corpulent rat bastard loser.
People freaking out about the battleground polls should definitely find a way to get involved if you're not already. Nothing feels better than volunteering, and your presidential candidate of choice might have an office in your state you can volunteer at.
I've been thinking about Parnas. I think there is a grid chance his is Rudy's handler. Rudy is pretty much the perfect front. A figurehead that could plausibly get the meetings and make the deals. All the while it's just Parnas who serves as a conduit for the Kremlin.
Fun fact, Parnas, Vindman and Felix Sater have almost identical backgrounds. All were jewish émigrés who's families came over to the US at around the same time. All settled in the same area in New York. Michael Cohen's uncle ran a social club in Brooklyn that was the center of operations for the Mogilecich crime syndicate. Sater's father was a capo and Cohen and Sater grew up as friends. Cohen still partially owned part of the club till 2016.
Vindman stands in stark contrast, of course. It is pretty remarkable how he took such a different path but still somehow ended up entangled with Parnas and Sater schemes decades later.
Has he been on since the arrests? thought he crawled back into the hole he came out of
I think the problem for a lot of us is we don't live in battleground states or districts, so you feel kind of helpless. My district voted Clinton by 22 points in 2016 and voted Bernie in the primary.
Plenty of stupid people go to college. Take a look at the GOP.
Anyway, what college does is it magically introduces people to some diversity, which makes it harder to convince them of racial boogeymen and things like that.
This was extremely informative, thanks. I still think its probably a fair trade to guarantee healthcare to all people without the political toxicity of middle-class tax increases. The downsides you've pointed out have to be acknowledged though
Warren and Sanders are even worse among Likely Voters,
fondly remembering how much shit i got here when i said trump would beat warren.
that said, sanders, and to some extent warren, arent going for just 'likely voters.' with a big enough turnout we can overcome this i think
michael moore endorsed bernie sanders, who can win the rust belt
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He does have great insight into people who wear stupid hats
I'm in Illinois and doubt so very much. primary of course.
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