Good point, if we get a President that is so lowercase c conservative that they don't even support the removal of the filibuster, we aren't ever going to get anything done.
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Good point, if we get a President that is so lowercase c conservative that they don't even support the removal of the filibuster, we aren't ever going to get anything done.
Comprehensive immigration reform is something basically every Democrat supports. It's unfinished business from Obama's second term, when he DID get a reform bill passed (albeit, a far from perfect one) and it was blocked in the House. Relative to almost anything else, it should be considered an easy lay-up if Democrats reclaim the trifecta.
He's so close to using the n-word.
BTW, dude's got demetia. He thinks he beat Obama.
BTW, dude's got demetia. He thinks he beat Obama.
I suspect we'll hear it before articles of impeachment are issued
I really wonder what the polling would look like right now if Obama was able to run for re-election against Trump. It'd probably be a Reagan level blowout.
I'm not against public option, or any other healthcare plan, in principle. I just don't really get why we would already just compromise with ourselves now when dems are in a good position to take power.
PSA: Maddow's show is also a free podcast and every day's episode goes up at midnight.
There is a lot here, but I would like to make sure it doesn't get lost that this means Manafort personally briefed Hannity 3 days before the election.
2016? I think it's possible (maybe even probable) Obama would have lost Ohio and Iowa to Trump, given how wide the margins were, but FL/WI/MI/PA were all close enough that Obama should have won, along with flipping AZ and NC.
2020? Yeah, blowout. No one's giving Trump the benefit of the doubt anymore. He'll have his true believers and Republican partisans and little else.
For sure. You know, there's a big benefit to having a lively, somewhat contentious primary. Candidates need to be seasoned. They don't spring out fully-formed from the get go as perfect, battle-ready warriors for the general election. Warren's my top choice, but no one should walk into the nomination untested. They have to rise to the challenges and earn it.
I wonder how Kanye, Candace, and Diamond and Silk will defend Donald if he said it
They'll shuck and jive to the point where you swear it was a musical routine.
I am for "getting some change on Healthcare that gets out of the status quo" asap. The situation currently is so dire and bad that most options proposed would be a huge upgrade including a public option.
However, there are very real issues long term with a public option. Hell people right now who can be on Medicare don't opt for it because ther private employers insurance is better. My mom doesn't take Medicare because her employer gives her a lifetime of insurance (for her and her spouse) that's better than Medicare. And that's the problem with public option, a public option won't really be competing well with the private/employer insurances. There will always be a class difference in the two options and a difference on coverage. There will always be a "shit" version and a "good" version.. and that's not how healthcare should work.
As far as politics and feasibility go... all the Biden and Buttiegeg plans are also not that feasible in congress without getting hacked up to pieces. You already got Pelosi endorsing advancing the ACA publicly.
However, there are very real issues long term with a public option. Hell people right now who can be on Medicare don't opt for it because ther private employers insurance is better. My mom doesn't take Medicare because her employer gives her a lifetime of insurance (for her and her spouse) that's better than Medicare. And that's the problem with public option, a public option won't really be competing well with the private/employer insurances. There will always be a class difference in the two options and a difference on coverage. There will always be a "shit" version and a "good" version.. and that's not how healthcare should work.
As far as politics and feasibility go... all the Biden and Buttiegeg plans are also not that feasible in congress without getting hacked up to pieces. You already got Pelosi endorsing advancing the ACA publicly.
See, the common argument against the public option at the time, as the article states, is that it would eventually become a de facto single payer system. Which, people like Pelosi, were highly in favor of. It's why I honestly think the public option is better, it doesn't blow up an industry over-night, gives people in that industry an off ramp, doesn't involve a do-or-die switching moment where government healthcare has to be set up perfectly the moment the bill goes into full effect, and will strangle most of private insurance into irrelevancy. Between ACA, medicaid, the uninsured, and medicare the public option would instantly have about 60+% of the population on it, as well, the whole argument that private insurance would have leverage to make a public option worse doesn't hold weight to me.
All of the arguments against a public option can be settled by two clauses in the law to create it:
A: public option is opt out and you can't be kicked off it for non-payment (though if you make enough money to afford it, you will see your wages garnished)
B: All doctors and hospitals are required by law to accept the public option or they are not allowed to accept any other insurance plan.
Because in order to get and maintain power, you need to take public opinion into consideration. Of course, the merits of the policy should also be taken into consideration, but even if you don't favor a public option, it's not like it's satan to you. And there are reasons to favor the public option.
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Biden's plan is part of an ACA 2.0. Every part of the ACA would basically stay, with the add on of the public option. It's 100% based on building on the ACA, not starting over. Biden's healthcare plan is actually really, really good.
I swear even if President Warren signs M4A into law some of y'all will still be smug that we're never getting it passed and we should settle for a public option.
It's not just vision. Warren has laid out plain and simple that M4A not only is the only way we can make sure everyone is insured, but also is the best plan for our pockets. She did the homework, has shown her work, and figured out how to make M4A work without raising taxes on the middle class and saving the American people $11 trillion from out of pocket costs in premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. And we'd no longer having to worry about finding a doctor in-network or needing to haggle with the insurance companies to cover a specific prescription drug.
For profit private insurance is inherently at odds with assuring people get the best care they need at the lowest possible cost. Better things are absolutely possible if we have a president who will fight for them.
It's not just vision. Warren has laid out plain and simple that M4A not only is the only way we can make sure everyone is insured, but also is the best plan for our pockets. She did the homework, has shown her work, and figured out how to make M4A work without raising taxes on the middle class and saving the American people $11 trillion from out of pocket costs in premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. And we'd no longer having to worry about finding a doctor in-network or needing to haggle with the insurance companies to cover a specific prescription drug.
For profit private insurance is inherently at odds with assuring people get the best care they need at the lowest possible cost. Better things are absolutely possible if we have a president who will fight for them.
It will drop more, though I expect 36-55% is the lowest it will ever go among repubs
It goes back even further. Comprehensive immigration reform caused mass issues in 2006, when even republicans were on board for it, leading to protests and huge outcry from the public.
For once, maybe we should be grateful? Maybe they'll go down with the ship?
If he drops below 60% with his own party, I don't see how he can be viable.
Yeah, M4A is my preferred outcome but if Biden's plan is the best the next Congress can do, that's still a giant step forward.
Hopefully he drags them all down and destroys the GOP - just like Lindsey predicted.
TIL the dub composer for the uncut version of the first two seasons of Dragon Ball Z, Nathan Johnson is a Texas state senator
Hillary should have won PA easily. It was a campaign failure that she didn't. I had an interesting "discussion" about this on twitter this morning. PA Lt. Governor Fetterman followed up that discussion with this bit of wisdom:
Doing nothing but "showing up" in places like Cambria County reduced what was a 22,000 vote deficit for Hillary down to 6,000 for Fetterman and Wolf. Better strategy would have won that state in 2016, it just wasn't used there.
Oh wow, I can't believe it, the US tried to help human rights and accidentally ended up controlling a bunch of oil fields in the middle east, again.
THE OIL IS SECURE!
I'm reading this article and they have censored "b***ard"
Censoring bastard in 2019 is weird and dumb.
I don't even understand why it's considered a profanity.
This would probably be worst case. Texas and Georgia could come into play.
It's actually the best part of the plan.
"Do you want to give undocumented immigrants health care" came up in several debates despite being a pretty dumb question. Undocumented immigrants mostly pay taxes. If you say no, you're condemning them to illness while simultaneously undercutting the universal healthcare project. But saying yes is very unpopular.
Warren's solution to this is to give them all citizenship. Boom! Now they're automatically covered.
This may seem like putting the cart before the horse, but, uh, it's not, because giving undocumented people citizenship so they have civil rights and cannot be rounded up into concentration camps is actually a much more important issue today than healthcare and Warren is totally correct to say we should do that first.
Rudy did that with the last president to drop Manafort. Zelenski seems to be carrying out the changes made back than.
Sure if that actually passes in its entirety would be a huge step up from what we currently have. But take a minute to consider:
The compromise candidate who helped put into place a compromised medicare system (ACA) and platforming on a compromise message.... y'all think he isn't going to compromise on his own plans and policies as well?
If not then you would have to be more naive than the Sander supporters.
(I say this about Buttiegeg as well and this guy is an even bigger flip flopper)
That's why I think the Dems focus on Ukraine goes way past that "perfect" phone call. I wonder how many other countries Trump is extorting.
Who was deposed Wednesday? That was when Gerry Connolly told reports after leaving the room to look into Javelin missiles.
If we fight like hell for M4A and all we get out of it is a public option, then fine! Huge step up over what we have and hell it still moves us closer to the goal that we can pick back up again in the future. But starting our position at the "realistic" option and then compromise even further? Fuck that.
In a world where you can discuss Medicare for All, here's nothing DOA about passing immigration reform. What, exactly, do you think is harder about immigration than M4A?
I actually think public option makes the most sense, yet still want Warren to win, because it's obvious single payer doesn't have enough support and I genuinely believe Warren's "plan B" public option plan would be better than Biden's or any other candidates public option plan.
She is clearly the best of all the candidates at putting in the hard work to get detailed workable policies.
She is clearly the best of all the candidates at putting in the hard work to get detailed workable policies.
I don't really care much about Warren having a debate soundbite. It's true that she needed a better answer to the taxes question...but I'm not sure this is that? "Will your plan raise taxes?" --> "Not one penny" --> "How?" and where does she go from there? This plan is weedsy, even for her. But that's neither here nor there.
(Lord help me, I'm reading policy papers on my day off)
The Immigration Reform bit makes sense as you put, and you're right: not the part to get tripped up over. Although, where are you getting 20.5 trillion from? Warren seems to be saying that her plan is going to cost around the 52 trillion we're currently spending?
And reading her plan, I'm still seeing a lot of fantasy on where she's going to nickel and dime to bring down spending, I'm not seeing much addressing people/businesses who actually like their private insurance, and I'm not seeing much addressing how she proposes people transition to her version of medicare for all. She's proposing passing immigration reform, reforming military spending, closing significant tax loopholes AND taking on private insurance all at once to make this plan happen. Don't get me wrong, that's all great shit that needs to happen anyway, but you have to start somewhere, and you have to WIN all these fights (simultaneously) for your plan to work. This is actually the thing I respected the most about Kamala's plan, even if the 10 year timeline opened her up to a lot of heat. Kamala's plan (and Biden's) seem to do the most work in laying out how they propose to get from A to B in a way that makes sense.
So far, Warren's plan is coming across as sensible, while still basically requiring the stars to align in much the same way Sanders' plan does.
Not to mention, if this is how she's working the math to get Medicare 4 All to work...where is she getting the money for everything else she's planning to do?
Why do you keep conflating these two things? Being skeptical of Warren's medicare for all plan says nothing about my opinion on passing immigration reform (which I'm for, but I shouldn't need to say that because that's not what I'm talking about). Because yeah, our government is keeping kids in cages, some of us haven't forgotten that.
And there are also people actively shitting on Single-Payer because they will have to share the same healthcare as poor people.
It's the same mentality that leads to people taking their kids out of public schools. It's why something like Medicare For All is attacked from both highly paid professional Democrats and Republicans.
The Public Option is popular because it will maintain second class healthcare for poor people. Healthcare must always be tied to the myth of meritocracy. Most of these people were born into their position in life and use it to justify why their parents should live into their 90s while everyone else who "didn't make the right choices" should suffer the consequences and not die on the public dime.
Because you literally posted that your quarrel with Warren's plan was that it includes comprehensive immigration reform? It's not a conflation to comment on the thing you said!
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