Maybe wear some contact then, you vain piece of shit.
It's probably why can goes off script all the time. He can't read.
Maybe wear some contact then, you vain piece of shit.
It's probably why can goes off script all the time. He can't read.
I'm enjoying how much all the other candidates are freaking out about Warren. She really is the frontrunner now.
It came from the NFL threads where most of us his game day posts were lol emojis.
You are right. I'm still annoyed about that.
I think Biden's aide had more leg to stand on with his response to Warren's attack than any of the Anti-Sanders people had against him.
Sanders was to the left of the Democratic Party and it was being used as a pejorative.
If we wanna find ways to compare the merits of dumb points, I'm game.You are right. I'm still annoyed about that.
I think Biden's aide had more leg to stand on with his response to Warren's attack than any of the Anti-Sanders people had against him.
Sanders was to the left of the Democratic Party and it was being used as a pejorative.
I know people haven't generally been thrilled with Maher lately, but this episode is turning people's heads for the right reasons. If you thought that his show had gone off the rails previously, last night it just went straight down.BuT He's aN AlLy. He sUpPoRtS M4A. dO YoU WaNt tRuMp tO WiN A SeCoNd tErM? pErFeCt iS ThE EnEmY Of gOoD!
Or some other nonsense. Why is Maher still a thing honestly?
Warren coming out with a plan to pay for M4A threw a wrench into their talking points.I'm enjoying how much all the other candidates are freaking out about Warren. She really is the frontrunner now.
It's been a hell of a slow burn story, but it looks like it's finally picking up steam:
I think this story is the Very Bad Thing™ that the Trump admin has been desperate to hide. I think that's why they released the call notes and want everyone focused on the call. They wanted the call itself to be the beginning and end of the scandal.
It's been a hell of a slow burn story, but it looks like it's finally picking up steam:
I think this story is the Very Bad Thing™ that the Trump admin has been desperate to hide. I think that's why they released the call notes and want everyone focused on the call. They wanted the call itself to be the beginning and end of the scandal.
"At least 50% of the information… is in the investigator's head, it doesn't fit into the official paperwork," said Andriy Rodionov, a senior investigator in the unit who is still on staff after passing the mandatory exam. "Any handing over of these cases is an automatic burial of them."
Did she tho?Warren coming out with a plan to pay for M4A threw a wrench into their talking points.
Can't really go with the "it'd be great if we could, but the numbers don't add up, so OH WELL" line anymore, now it has to be debated on the merits. Which is fine, even Warren's M4A is hardly bulletproof, but they're greatly at risk of falling into the "better things aren't possible" rhetoric.
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It's been a hell of a slow burn story, but it looks like it's finally picking up steam:
I think this story is the Very Bad Thing™ that the Trump admin has been desperate to hide. I think that's why they released the call notes and want everyone focused on the call. They wanted the call itself to be the beginning and end of the scandal.
But this is just "better things aren't possible". I mean, you're right, better things aren't possible, but if plans have to be things that might actually become law then most of what every candidate is talking about is a dumb plan. There's a reasonable criticism to be made here about how this is a really extraordinary lift and is unachievable even relative to other unachievable things (this is just generally true of M4A), but there's no way to put that distinction to political use -- you can't get up and say that the problem with Warren's plan is that actually no we're not going to pass immigration reform, and you don't even want to try to talk about how it's going to be very hard to do all of these things and so we have to prioritize.Did she tho?
Because what I read doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've been really busy this week and haven't had time to read her plan in full myself...but doesn't a large part of paying for the plan involve passing immigration reform and getting an increased tax revenue bump from the population influx?
Because if that's the plan...it's a dumb plan.
Did she tho?
Because what I read doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've been really busy this week and haven't had time to read her plan in full myself...but doesn't a large part of paying for the plan involve passing immigration reform and getting an increased tax revenue bump from the population influx?
Because if that's the plan...it's a dumb plan.
Now this is the same Democratic Party where being called liberal was a bad thing 20 years ago, right?My issue with Sanders' have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too affiliation hopping doesn't have much to do with the fact that he was to the left of the the party. It's because it sort of undercuts the core concept of collective action. Political parties are collective action groups. I see Sanders decision to party shift when convenient as a remarkably cynical and selfish political move. It's the sort of thing I would expect from a career politician who is adept at manipulating the system for his own personal gain.
But this is just "better things aren't possible". I mean, you're right, better things aren't possible, but if plans have to be things that might actually become law then most of what every candidate is talking about is a dumb plan. There's a reasonable criticism to be made here about how this is a really extraordinary lift and is unachievable even relative to other unachievable things (this is just generally true of M4A), but there's no way to put that distinction to political use -- you can't get up and say that the problem with Warren's plan is that actually no we're not going to pass immigration reform, and you don't even want to try to talk about how it's going to be very hard to do all of these things and so we have to prioritize.
And, like, that's the point. I've been saying for a while that Warren is basically just defending M4A to cover her left flank and isn't going to push for it very hard in office, and so this plan does everything she wants it to do. It still counts as M4A but doesn't stick out to any particular group of voters as being terrible for them, other than rich people.
I wouldn't have, because this comparison doesn't work.You people would've said the same thing if social security was being considered today. It's such an odd defeatist attitude.
Did she tho?
Because what I read doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've been really busy this week and haven't had time to read her plan in full myself...but doesn't a large part of paying for the plan involve passing immigration reform and getting an increased tax revenue bump from the population influx?
Because if that's the plan...it's a dumb plan.
Who the hell has ever entertained the notion Republicans will vote for a public option? Does the mouse in your pocket have crazy ideas?I think the real fan fiction are the people deluding themselves into thinking that the same republicans who voted to repeal Obamacare 30 something times this past decade, are now going to support a public option because we'll have the right centrist in office this time. I think that's a much bigger joke.
Ok that makes sense. I never read those threads.It came from the NFL threads where most of us his game day posts were lol emojis.
I think the real fan fiction are the people deluding themselves into thinking that the same republicans who voted to repeal Obamacare 30 something times this past decade, are now going to support a public option because we'll have the right centrist in office this time. I think that's a much bigger joke.
? Is this not Biden's entire pitch? That he can reach out across the aisle and talk sense to reasonable republicans to support his healthcare plan, rather than crazy Bernie's alternative. Not everything I write is a personal attack on people on this forum, but surely there are enough people who believe this that Biden, Buttigieg, and perhaps Kamala see an opening.Who the hell has ever entertained the notion Republicans will vote for a public option? Does the mouse in your pocket have crazy ideas?
It's been a hell of a slow burn story, but it looks like it's finally picking up steam:
I think this story is the Very Bad Thing™ that the Trump admin has been desperate to hide. I think that's why they released the call notes and want everyone focused on the call. They wanted the call itself to be the beginning and end of the scandal.
It's been a hell of a slow burn story, but it looks like it's finally picking up steam:
I think this story is the Very Bad Thing™ that the Trump admin has been desperate to hide. I think that's why they released the call notes and want everyone focused on the call. They wanted the call itself to be the beginning and end of the scandal.
BuT He's aN AlLy. He sUpPoRtS M4A. dO YoU WaNt tRuMp tO WiN A SeCoNd tErM? pErFeCt iS ThE EnEmY Of gOoD!
Or some other nonsense. Why is Maher still a thing honestly?
So not a blanket endorsement of Dems across the state? My Dem candidate for the House of Delegates isn't in this list. Maybe I just shouldn't vote then, since the Dem is apparently no better than the Rep.
I think this is true. But does that mean you shouldn't advocate for it?I mean the real fan fiction is thinking there are enough Democrats who will vote for M4A in the house and senate. There aren't
That isn't Biden's pitch for the public option, no. Biden tries to appeal to people who think the problem is that no one is willing to work together where there's common ground (BS, but people don't pay attention, so... Shrug). He probably even believes it to an extent. But not to the extent where he literally forgot what happened with the original public option when he was vice president.? Is this not Biden's entire pitch? That he can reach out across the aisle and talk sense to reasonable republicans to support his healthcare plan, rather than crazy Bernie's alternative. Not everything I write is a personal attack on people on this forum, but surely there are enough people who believe this that Biden, Buttigieg, and perhaps Kamala see an opening.
I think this is true. But does that mean you shouldn't advocate for it?
Honest question. What did the support for public option look like in 2009 among democrats? Should Obama not have campaigned for it?
So all his aides need to do is never leave him alone and he'll never tweet again.
Warren's plan forecasts spending for Medicare For All (over 10 years) at $20.5 trillion.Did she tho?
Because what I read doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've been really busy this week and haven't had time to read her plan in full myself...but doesn't a large part of paying for the plan involve passing immigration reform and getting an increased tax revenue bump from the population influx?
Because if that's the plan...it's a dumb plan.
I support immigration reform that's consistent with our values, including a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and expanded legal immigration consistent with my principles. That's not only the right thing to do — it also increases federal revenue we can dedicate to Medicare for All as new people come into the system and pay taxes. Based on CBO's analysis of the 2013 comprehensive immigration reform bill, experts project that immigration reform would generate an additional $400 billion in direct federal revenue.
It's actually not. It's a legit plan put together by a serious brain trust. It's aspirational. It's provocative to the status quo. And it's also a brilliant piece of political jiu jitsu.My point is...even within the realm of "thinking big" this plan is still dumb.
And...we're talking about people's health care. This is the one place where candidates should be putting out ambitious but feasible ideas. Not fan fiction. You're not running for president of Tumblr. Warren's plan from what I've seen is DoA, and that's disappointing coming from her.
It's a weak point and should be dismissed as such.That's been the point I've seen more than a few pundits go in on on twitter (Bakari being one), yeah.
Article from 2009, polls from 2008:I think this is true. But does that mean you shouldn't advocate for it?
Honest question. What did the support for public option look like in 2009 among democrats? Should Obama not have campaigned for it?
Question Wording and Results:
"Now I'm going to read you some different ways to increase the number of Americans covered by health insurance. As I read each one, please tell me whether you would favor it or oppose it […]
"Creating a public health insurance option similar to Medicare to compete with private health insurance plans."
Favor: 68% (40% strongly favor)
Oppose: 28% (17% strongly oppose)
"Creating a public health insurance option to compete with private health insurance plans."
Favor: 65% (32% strongly favor)
Oppose: 29% (17% strongly oppose)
Specifications: 1,000 American adults aged 21 and over. Interviews conducted from May 8th through June 2nd.
Question Wording and Results:
"Creating a new public health insurance plan that anyone can purchase."
Support: 83% (53% strongly support)
Oppose: 14% (9% strongly oppose)
Warren's plan forecasts spending for Medicare For All (over 10 years) at $20.5 trillion.
CBO forecast of revenues from immigration reform = $400 billion.
That's less 2% of the of the price tag for Warren's M4A. So, no, a large part of paying for the plan does not involve passing immigration reform.
Will passing comprehensive immigration reform be hard ? It has been in the past. But it'll be a snap compared to M4A. If the political stars align and somehow we move in the direction of single-payer, then immigration reform will be a piece of cake. This is not the bit to be tripping over.
It's actually not. It's a legit plan put together by a serious brain trust. It's aspirational. It's provocative to the status quo. And it's also a brilliant piece of political jiu jitsu.
Last debate, they all came for Warren - the press, the candidates - trying to get that soundbite of her conceding to a middle-class tax-increase. Despite all that pressure, she did not yield. What might a lesser candidate have done? Uncritically accept the untested conventional wisdom put out by a "think tank" or two that a middle-class tax raise is necessary and shrug: yeah we gotta do that. Or pretend that she wasn't all in on M4A at one point, and walk back her stance saying she just wants a public option.
Warren didn't fall back on the obvious. Instead she put in work. She crushed the homework, and now she's published the most detailed plan for healthcare reform - among any of the candidates - a plan that's all about her commitment to single-payer. And the next time some lamb bleats about "how much are you gonna raise middle-class taxes to pay for this?" She can say with full assurance and authority: "Not one penny." Plan aside, we need someone this resourceful, tough, principled in the White House.
It's a weak point and should be dismissed as such.
Now this is the same Democratic Party where being called liberal was a bad thing 20 years ago, right?
to be more clear, my point wasn't that Obama made the public option popular- though it probably didn't hurt that he advocated for it. But I was trying to say that even if the bill doesn't ultimately pass, that there may be some merit for campaigning in its favor anyway. But I was also under the impression that the public option was not significantly more popular than Medicare For all is right now.Article from 2009, polls from 2008:
Obama didn't create support for a public option. It already existed.