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US PoliEra 2019 |OT9| I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter nearly enough to understand all the references
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Bernie's Back Rally >MLK's I have a dream speech > Avengers Endgame > Council of Trent
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I don't know seems like getting up in arms about nothing. She's a nobody in the grand scheme of politics. After her 15 minutes of fame dry up from the 2020 race she will go back to her blue state where she will get nothing done or accomplished that go against the democratic interests. She might amplify the echo chamber of Fox News to some degree but that's going to happen with or without her.
so she makes money as a talking head, plenty of people do. She has accomplished nothing and likely will remain accomplishing nothing. So again why the fuck is she news or why do people get up in arms about this.
Eww. Why counteract the positives of AOC with the negatives of Michael Moore. lol
I still don't get how AOC and Micahel Moore endorsements mean anything.
like based on everything we know about these people,Sanders isdefinitely who they were backing
like based on everything we know about these people,Sanders isdefinitely who they were backing
Honestly, if anyone was going for blood...
Oh. Well, if it's been normalized then I guess it's fine.
what's normalized? She's in the fringe of the party in a state that is polar opposite of some of her more out there beliefs. She literally has no power and can do nothing to push her agenda (which honestly leans central left). This isn't some up and coming flip flopper in Florida who actually could influence the outcome of meaningful elections. She leans slightly left in a state of pure blue who would never support anything extreme on her agenda or her rhetoric. She's literally worthless.
And yet the only reason she's a talking point is because people on the internet get up in arms about her like she matters. She doesn't. She will fade away within six months. Stop blowing people like her up into a talking point. She's barely a footnote.
She's just in Congress and running for President. It's probably fine that she is being boosted by russian bots. When I type it out like that I don't even know why I thought it was worth worrying about.
This is a conflicted topic for so many of us who were front and center to all that.
Bush came in as I started high school and and left around the time I graduated college the first time. I became a political science major (among others) because of his administration and the utter rage I held toward it, especially for what it did to infect this country with a zealous march toward any war it could find.
There were plenty of us, far less experienced and educated, that could see what Iraq in particular would become. We knew it would destabilize a fraught region, that it was built on lies, proliferated torture and other illegal measures, and killed millions then and now. And plenty of politicians, journalists, and more ought to have easily seen what we did and acted accordingly. Political expedience doesn't negate responsibility.
But I voted for Kerry and Clinton. I think they understand what it was they helped usher along and sought to atone, while also pushing along other great things. Some others didn't but they did.
But we cannot simply claim that it was inevitable and act as if no one can be held to account for such a grievous error. We can recognize that the nation was bloodthirsty and yet shouldn't have done what it did.
I really don't see it being brought up. 🤷♂️
See more Elizabeth Warren Green Imperialist.
On top of the obvious stuff I have a background hate for Tulsi back from 2016. Had Bernie never been a thing back then, she wouldn't be now. Given Russia prolonged 2016 with Sanders, it's knock-on annoyance that she exists for Russia to prop up in 2020.
I don't know where you're looking then. Bernie even took a swing at him about Iraq earlier this week!
It's one of the most common criticisms of Biden outside of him being unable to put together a sentence.
A bit of a divert, but I cannot recall any of the forums ive ever been on in the past having this sort of tradition where the thread titles are so varied and....unique? I really enjoy it.
I dunno, even on here?
I see a lot of fuck Joe Biden, because they think he's a conservative, he's an old white man, he's completely out of touch.
But it's mostly non-descript dislike.
Not specifically because he's was the major salesperson for the Iraq War in the Senate.
If you mention the Butcher of Benghazi it is ingrained into her identity by people who call themselves socialists.
And Russian plants like Tulsi.
And one of the regular things I see on here are "Bernie is so much better than Warren, because she'd blow people up." (Even though Sanders is actually not anti-interventionist.)
Biden's Iraq vote has absolutely gone under the radar. It's been mentioned like three times at most in passing in all of the debates.
For a campaign without much money, Biden sure likes to stay at five star hotels, lol.
Or maybe that's why he has no money.
Or maybe that's why he has no money.
Back in the 04 primary days, in the lead-up to Iowa, Howard Dean's campaign was racking up money...
And spending it as fast as it came in, mostly on useless merch for supporters.
Omg. " I know it's my first day, but tell me everything"
I bet one of the other white house staffers would drag you into another room so fast and sternly tell you "CAREFUL..they might think you are an american spy"
I'd be like, I dont have Facebook and all my twitter followers just try to sell me weed. Tell meeeeee!
I just can't see the 2017 energy returning again. People are just sick of this administration and don't really have the will to take to the streets by the millions again.
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That type of large scale protest just isn't possible in a country this size on a national level. It's this weird fantasy take that pretends the US is a much smaller country where most of the population isn't 6 hours or less from the capital.
Yup, even throwing out the fact we don't have a protest culture, people underestimate how much of a nations population is in the capitals of some of the countries that continually have things popping off - for example, out of the 66 million people in France, 12 1/2 million, or about 18% of the country lives within the Paris Metro. Same thing w/ South Korea - half the nation lives in what's designated as the Seoul Metro area.
London is the same within England.
It's no coincidence that in topics where folks call for general strikes a lot advancing the idea are from outside the US.
I'd focus far more on just getting people involved with their pet issues. If your priority is climate change, volunteer or seek jobs in programs and institutions pushing for change. If homelessness or income inequality is high on your list then volunteer or work with local food banks, soup kitchens, etc. My own neighborhood is refugee-majority and we have a phenomenal institution devoted toward helping that community with affordable legal representation, translation services, housing projects, and more.
It's not going to solve systemic issues, and certainly some lend themselves more to protest and other advanced actions, but community engagement is paramount and these organizations are truly grassroots. They are a way to contribute directly and at length, and often dedicate a portion of their time toward outreach and public consciousness.
It's a damned sight better than tweeting into the ether.
in fairness, he was actually one of the more dovish people in the Obama administration FWIW
we definitely shouldn't nominate another person who voted for the Iraq War though
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I tend to think that a large protest (over 100k?) in a major metropolitan area, that's well directed with heavy enough political speakers present to get the national media there. Could be useful.
That's not HK level protests or anything, but such well directed and planned protests could still serve a purpose in a political toolbox. No?
I tend to think that a large protest (over 100k?) in a major metropolitan area, that's well directed with heavy enough political speakers present to get the national media there. Could be useful.
That's not HK level protests or anything, but such well directed and planned protests could still serve a purpose in a political toolbox. No?
it's not clear what you are referring to specifically. It could be the case that Bernie isn't a pacifist/non-interventionist and is also better than Warren. there are degrees to these things.
tbh if i dont personally mention the Biden being a warmonger shit often is because that Biden is just a cavalcade of embarassment so theres like, legitimately too much to attack him on. I kind of just assume that everyone here already knows that hes shit on that regard.
I have seen Bernie (rightfully) call him out on his Iraq vote multiple times, so at least theres that.
I have seen Bernie (rightfully) call him out on his Iraq vote multiple times, so at least theres that.
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