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cameron

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New York Magazine @NYMag

"I don't see how this doesn't hand the nomination to Warren," sighed a Manhattan financier and longtime Bloomberg supporter https://nym.ag/34Sn7Ct

7:01 PM - Nov 11, 2019




Gabriel Debenedetti @gdebenedetti

New, on how Bloomberg got here (months of grumbling, then a quiet ramp-up), what's next (a white knight strategy or an epic backfire), + what his friends say ("Get ready" vs "You will not be able to find an individual who is not on their payroll who'll say this is a good idea") >​
https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1194042390740377601 …

Within a few hours of the initial Bloomberg news, some top Biden aides and allies were informally checking in on their major committed and potential donors. Some big fish told them they needed time to hear more about Bloomberg's game http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/even-bloomberg-backers-worry-run-would-hand-it-to-warren.html …

8:47 PM - Nov 11, 2019
 

patientzero

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Yeah, people conflate the two a lot and it can be genuinely frustrating. I experienced that a lot in 2016 where "come on, Hillary might not be ideal but she wouldn't be that bad" was understood as "I am a useless party shill, please don't listen to me, bEtTeR tHiNgS aReN't PoSsIbLe."

Like I'd like to think I've earned my progressive bona fides by now, but nope, politics started in 2016 and I'm on Team Asshole ig.

It's infuriating. I'm 33, been paying very close attention to politics since I was 13. I have a degree in the field that I got into because of my opposition to the Bush 43 administration, other degrees in other social sciences, won an award for field work (in 2016 no less) combating Islamophobia, and work as an educator.

But you know, what the fuck do I know.

I'd much rather have Nina Turner running than Kamala Harris.

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We could make a ton of real progress with any D trifecta.

But god just imagine what we could do with a D trifecta with Elizabeth Warren as president.
 

patientzero

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I think that was a mistake on her part, but on the other hand, it speaks to her integrity and ideals. That's how you know the character of a person.

Integrity, ideals, and character mean as much, in a political sense, as goose shit. Plenty of progressives that achieved huge gains had zero integrity, meanwhile you have someone like Steve King in Iowa, who has immensely consistent internal integrity...toward white nationalism.

I work in academia, and in that realm we value process over results on the basis that good process leads to quality results. Politics doesn't give a shit about process. Good results work.

We could make a ton of real progress with any D trifecta.

But god just imagine what we could do with a D trifecta with Elizabeth Warren as president.

Thing is, I emotionally agree, but realistically I think a Warren/Sanders trifecta and a Biden/Buttigieg trifecta end up achieving pretty similar results.
 

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TRUMP RELEASES SECOND TRANSCRIPT...how will new transcript change the race for the democratic nomination?
 

Royalan

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I'd much rather have Nina Turner running than Kamala Harris. The PoC candidates have, for the most part, been running centrist positions, and they don't inspire excitement.
Because there can only be one Black Woman candidate?

Look, I know I'm the "Kamala Harris" guy in this thread. But...you're trying too hard.
 

adam387

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I'd much rather have Nina Turner running than Kamala Harris. The PoC candidates have, for the most part, been running centrist positions, and they don't inspire excitement.
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The Honorable Nina Turner is amazingly unqualified to run for President. She's tried to hire a Trumper to work for Bernie's group. She's a shit stirrer who had zero accomplishments to her name as a state senator from a non competitive seat. She refused to support the nominee in 2016.

my god, if that's who people think should run in our party, shut the whole thing down.
 
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Gotchaye

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Yeah, a state can only give its electoral votes to at most one of its residents. So if you try that you're risking Warren/Pence.
 

cameron

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Manu Raju @mkraju

Pentagon official testifies that Volker told her Ukrainian officials were alarmed in August that US security aid was being held up — an indication Kiev was aware of the delay earlier than it was reported publicly, per ⁦@jeremyherb⁩ on transcript https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/11/politics/laura-cooper-tanscript-released/index.html …

"I knew from my Kurt Volker conversation and also from sort of the alarm bells that were coming from Ambassador (Bill) Taylor and his team that there were Ukrainians who knew about this," Cooper said,​

Catherine Croft Croft testified that she was "trepidatious" about accepting the job as special assistant to Volker because "it was possible that the Trump administration would choose to change its policy to suit domestic politics."

Croft: "It seemed logical to me that in an attempt to counter the narrative about Russian support for the Trump administration in the 2016 election ... it would be useful to shift that narrative by shifting it to Ukraine as being in support of the Clintons."

Croft testified that multiple Ukrainian officials raised concerns about the hold on aid "very early on" and told her they did not want the news to become public as it would be viewed in Ukraine as an expression of declining US support.

9:08 PM - Nov 11, 2019
 

cameron

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Luke Broadwater @lukebroadwater

Maya Rockeymoore Cummings, widow of Baltimore Rep. Elijah Cummings, will seek his seat in Congress https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-maya-cummings-20191112-ptsbywxf45ecjgyu5ovdeyqvyy-story.html …

8:50 PM - Nov 11, 2019

Erin Cox @ErinatThePost

Breaking: Maya Rockeymoore Cummings is resigning her job as chair of Maryland Democratic Party tonight, a move widely considered a prelude to running for the seat held by her late husband, Rep. Elijah Cummings. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maya-rockeymoore-cummings-to-step-down-as-maryland-democratic-party-chair/2019/11/11/09c32aa6-04e5-11ea-b17d-8b867891d39d_story.html …

8:46 PM - Nov 11, 2019
 

fragamemnon

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A key point around the funding also that the Ukrainians knew that if the funding wasn't released by the end of September, it would be gone because of the end of the fiscal year.

Taylor went out of his way to both inform them this himself so that there was clear record of the implied threat behind the extortion.

edit: These state dept. officials are all heroes. That organization has seen shit for over a half decade, but they never stopped believing in their mission and our values.
 
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Integrity, ideals, and character mean as much, in a political sense, as goose shit. Plenty of progressives that achieved huge gains had zero integrity, meanwhile you have someone like Steve King in Iowa, who has immensely consistent internal integrity...toward white nationalism.

I work in academia, and in that realm we value process over results on the basis that good process leads to quality results. Politics doesn't give a shit about process. Good results work.



Thing is, I emotionally agree, but realistically I think a Warren/Sanders trifecta and a Biden/Buttigieg trifecta end up achieving pretty similar results.
Wealth tax and what that entails is a pretty big difference!
 
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Not to be rude, but imagining Manchin voting down the wealth tax is kinda hilarious considering the conditions and financial make-up of his state.
 

cameron

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GHENT, Ky. (AP) — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin "had a good four years," but he says a review of Bevin's narrow reelection defeat is unlikely to change the outcome.
Bevin trailed Democrat Andy Beshear by about 5,000 votes in the Nov. 5 election. A re-canvass of votes is scheduled Thursday.
McConnell was in Carroll County on Monday to tout a US-Spain treaty he helped pass that cut the taxes for the North American Stainless plant there. McConnell said the treaty helped the company avoid a $35 million tax payment.
While there, McConnell said he's "sorry Matt came up short." He said the re-canvass is unlikely to change the election results, and that "barring some dramatic reversal on the re-canvass, we'll have a different governor in three weeks."
Bevin has refused to concede and cited voting irregularities in the governor's race but has not provided evidence. Some Republican leaders have said Bevin should accept the results of the re-canvass if Beshear's lead holds.
"My first election was almost the same number of votes that Beshear won by. We had a re-canvass, added them up, it didn't change and we all moved on," McConnell said.
 

pigeon

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I think that was a mistake on her part, but on the other hand, it speaks to her integrity and ideals. That's how you know the character of a person.

What's really important is being willing to do the absolute wrong thing and stick by it no matter what, refusing to back down or apologize. That's what people look for in a leader.
 

pigeon

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I'd much rather have Nina Turner running than Kamala Harris. The PoC candidates have, for the most part, been running centrist positions, and they don't inspire excitement.

Also it's weird that you compared two
black women instead of comparing Nina Turner to like any of the other 40 candidates running, what's the deal with that
 

JesseEwiak

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only a Sith deals in absolutes?

I mean, the only Presidential midterms to not result in losses for the incumbent party are three 19th century elections, FDR's first election (when the Depression was still happening and the GOP was still saying, "it'll work itself out"), the midterm after Clinton's impeachment, and the midterm after 9/11.
 

cameron

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Matt Viser @mviser

Joe Biden, asked about his attacks on Elizabeth Warren: "Let's get something straight. She attacked me. She…said 'Biden is a coward. Biden is in fact in the pocket of…' She went down the list and say I was in the wrong primary. What do you call that?"

9:43 PM - Nov 11, 2019




Matt Viser @mviser

"I'm more of a Democrat, from my shoe soles to my ears, than anybody else running." — Joe Biden

9:45 PM - Nov 11, 2019




Matt Viser @mviser

"Imagine if I said 'She should be in the socialist primary.' You all would be bum, bum, bum, bum," Joe Biden says.

Well, do you think that Elizabeth Warren should be in the socialist primary?

"No!" Biden responds.​

9:47 PM - Nov 11, 2019
 

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I would like to see a series of "Trump laws" that codify into law all the norms the administration has broken and we just assumed a president wouldn't do.

Those laws exist now. Not just laws, the constitution itself. Trump is in violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution as we speak. None of this matters because laws are executed by people, and if the right people support a president, the president is effectively above the law and the constitution.
 

JABEE

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I think one interesting thing about Sanders is how much new material he has had since his heart attack. People keep dinging him for his stump speech, but he/his team has been writing some new ways to say the same thing in fresh, more personal ways. I think this will continue to be clearer as the Primary season moves forward.
 

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Matt Viser @mviser

Joe Biden, asked about his attacks on Elizabeth Warren: "Let's get something straight. She attacked me. She…said 'Biden is a coward. Biden is in fact in the pocket of…' She went down the list and say I was in the wrong primary. What do you call that?"

9:43 PM - Nov 11, 2019




Matt Viser @mviser

"I'm more of a Democrat, from my shoe soles to my ears, than anybody else running." — Joe Biden

9:45 PM - Nov 11, 2019





Matt Viser @mviser

"Imagine if I said 'She should be in the socialist primary.' You all would be bum, bum, bum, bum," Joe Biden says.

Well, do you think that Elizabeth Warren should be in the socialist primary?

"No!" Biden responds.

9:47 PM - Nov 11, 2019

the walking "okay boomer" has spoken
 

Dream Machine

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I think one interesting thing about Sanders is how much new material he has had since his heart attack. People keep dinging him for his stump speech, but he/his team has been writing some new ways to say the same thing in fresh, more personal ways. I think this will continue to be clearer as the Primary season moves forward.
Hopefully he gets over his aversion to making things too much about himself. He has personal history that could make for some strong appeals to why he fears trump and the future of the republican party remaining in power. I understand him wanting to make it a movement about the people, and not about him as a demagogue, but a few of those could help
 

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I think that was a mistake on her part, but on the other hand, it speaks to her integrity and ideals. That's how you know the character of a person.
That she hired a friend who was a Trump supporter/ talking head and tried to shield her even after being called out shows what a bizarre set of priorities she has. Tulsi Gabbard defender Turner lacks the judgement to be in politics. She's a joke and a disaster.
 

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Matt Viser @mviser

Joe Biden, asked about his attacks on Elizabeth Warren: "Let's get something straight. She attacked me. She…said 'Biden is a coward. Biden is in fact in the pocket of…' She went down the list and say I was in the wrong primary. What do you call that?"

9:43 PM - Nov 11, 2019




Matt Viser @mviser

"I'm more of a Democrat, from my shoe soles to my ears, than anybody else running." — Joe Biden

9:45 PM - Nov 11, 2019





Matt Viser @mviser

"Imagine if I said 'She should be in the socialist primary.' You all would be bum, bum, bum, bum," Joe Biden says.

Well, do you think that Elizabeth Warren should be in the socialist primary?

"No!" Biden responds.

9:47 PM - Nov 11, 2019


joe's getting angry
 

JABEE

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Bernie pitching m4a as covering hearing aids and eyeglasses seems like reaching out to older voters. same wrt prescription medication. In fact, I don't think healthcare is an issue young people care much about, relative to other political issues.
It's also appealing to 54+ crowd who want to retire without healthcare being a consideration.
 
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